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Daredevils

davebush — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:04:31 -0800

What's behind Niagara Falls? Some dudes investigate.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:20:10 -0800

(self-link) see also Toronto Power Company Tailrace, a trip made two years prior to the one in the FPP.

By: empath

empath — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:26:20 -0800

good stuff.

By: Spacelegoman

Spacelegoman — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:26:50 -0800

Excellent.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:28:44 -0800

Also, dsankt deserves more love than a forum link, so here's his website: Sleepy City. And the blokes he was with are Sub-Urban.

By: davebush

davebush — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:32:23 -0800

kowalski - thanks. I've just been investigating your site. "popped the manhole open to figure out where we were - under a park near Carlton Street" - and a one minute drive from my house.

By: mediareport

mediareport — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:33:21 -0800

Wow, that's a fucking fantastic story, from dodging the workers at the top all the way down. Thanks, davebush.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:40:13 -0800

davebush: [Drainer's Catalogue] - a one minute drive from my house. Amazing. That's a drain I've always meant to go back to. Definitely the most interesting actual storm drain I know of in the Niagara region. Even if some of the most interesting bits are also painful.

By: imperium

imperium — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:50:19 -0800

Is it just me, or does part of the cross-section diagram look like one of the drawings from the human biology section of the textbook? And is this story really really real for sure?

By: serazin

serazin — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:52:21 -0800

Awesome. And Kowalski, your shit is even awesomer.

By: atrazine

atrazine — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:53:20 -0800

Pumped more than Mr Hands (google it) protip: Don't

By: brundlefly

brundlefly — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:54:24 -0800

That's awesome!

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:54:27 -0800

Imperium: It is really really real. For sure.

By: mecran01

mecran01 — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:01:03 -0800

Wow.

By: imperium

imperium — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:02:20 -0800

Good god, how has this been kept from me?

By: Ludi

Ludi — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:02:32 -0800

Best. Post. Evar.

By: mds35

mds35 — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:03:29 -0800

Very cool. Some very nice photogrpahy there. I especially like the light-painting they did of the confluence.

By: davebush

davebush — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:11:17 -0800

Question for kowalski: Has anyone produced a feature-length film documentary on this subject of urban exploration?

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:15:02 -0800

Way cool davebush. More storm drainage spelunking in Oz.

By: jeremias

jeremias — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:18:47 -0800

This. Is. Good.

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:22:52 -0800

Wow.

By: Miko

Miko — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:24:27 -0800

a feature-length film documentary on this subject of urban exploration? good question; good idea.

By: anticlock

anticlock — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:29:23 -0800

"The water pelted me from all sides stinging my naked torso. Gusts of furious wind battered me to and fro inside this elemental cauldron. I yelled in unashamed triumph from the depths of my chest for every drop of Niagara's sweet bukkake that stung my face and trickled down my cheeks." This guy can paint a picture.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:35:34 -0800

davebush: There was a short, five-episode series called "Urban Explorers" produced for Discovery Channel in the US and first aired in 2005 I think. It featured Steve Duncan along with a few other people that were chosen for their telepresence and climbing skils rather than prior experience with the subject, and visited a different U.S. city in each episode. It was flakey and annoying with occasional moments of interest, basically the urban exploration roadtrip equivalent (in style, attempted humour, etc.) of Mythbusters. There is a documentary called Urban Explorers: Into the Darkness that is due to debut on the festival circuit any year now. You can view a trailer on the linked site. A fantastic short art film composited nearly entirely from single-frame exposures was produced by Bryan Papciak called "Met State" (2001). It documented the abandoned Metropolitan State Hospital in the west suburbs of Boston (now under demolition) and was a selection at Sundance and several other festivals.

By: hardcode

hardcode — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:37:00 -0800

I am in awe, excellent post, thank you!

By: Busithoth

Busithoth — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:38:04 -0800

wowee that's coolness, thanks for both linkages

By: davebush

davebush — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:46:07 -0800

"Into the Darkness" is exactly the type of film this subject deserves. I look forward to seeing it. This is all quite fascinating and my hat's off to the explorers.

By: alicesshoe

alicesshoe — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:02:02 -0800

Wicked davebush Fascinating. Loved the photography. Makes me want to join them next excursion with a large format camera and blow up the negatives Large. The size of Edward Burtynky's work. ]under >Works>Breaking Ground>Nickel Tailings No.31, Sudbury ON.[ kowalski, I just loved your photos. Loved 'em. The Pines ]the pines, in the pines[ with the outside growing indoors to the splendor of Bennett College. Fucking awesome. I've been downstairs of the Canada Malting, ages ago...with the underground railway. This before squatters etc were living there. I have shots of the old Cement silo at River and King before it got demolished. I was shooting outdoors and some kids asked if I wanted to go in. Sure. It was their "fort". Took some nice b&w's. Your Crane shots are wonderful. That's why I secretly hope they never tear down the Gardiner Expressway, because late at night, sliding into downtown along there is the coolest on a summer night, with the city lights aglow sliding around the Skydome..... sorry to hear about your soaker in St Kitts, nice of you to hang in. Dang./

By: rolypolyman

rolypolyman — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:10:36 -0800

Wow... if I was an eccentric philanthropist I'd give these guys a prize. Kudos to those who plumb the depths of places that others have no interest in, and bring back knowledge.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:15:36 -0800

Incredible. Bra fucking vo.

By: ktoad

ktoad — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:17:41 -0800

Thanks for the link! I really enjoyed their story.

By: Ynoxas

Ynoxas — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:24:09 -0800

Incredible. Being in a place like that would fill me with a type of terror and dread that I can barely even imagine. The pictures and descriptions make me shudder. Those of you who go to places like this voluntarily are simply cut from a stronger kind of cloth than I.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:24:13 -0800

I can't really speak for ds, JD or Stoop, but I can certainly say that donations from interested philanthropists are always welcome. I certainly have a lengthy list of places, equipment and publishing that can only be accomplished with windfall profits.

By: mongonikol

mongonikol — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:50:42 -0800

After Hurricane Wilma hit Key West October '05, the old power company was cracked opened. We explored, too. Same feeling. Utter reward. The presence of real magic still to be had on an island gone Disney. And we were there!

By: Vicarious

Vicarious — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:58:03 -0800

This picture here reminds me of an H.R. Geiger painting I once saw. Very good FPP overall, many kudos.

By: Devils Rancher

Devils Rancher — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:58:20 -0800

Ah, "Sewerlunking," as it's called amongst cavers. I've done a little bit here in Austin, with one particular old brick stormwater tunnel leading from near town lake all the way to the university before it splits into smaller stoop-walking tunnels. You can scare the bejeesus out of college kids by yelling at them from the drain inlets along the curbs. Went up there on a group trip one time, where someone had set up a slide projector on Halloween, & saw the highly illicit slide of Floyd Collins himself, lying in state in the Crystal Palace. Also, the only other place on earth I've known subaqueous helictites to exist other than Lechugilla is in another large storm drain that runs under S. Congress avenue. I'd love to see something really big like those Niagra tunnels, though.

By: honest knave

honest knave — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:37:40 -0800

Woah! When I visited Niagara Falls a few years ago, I remember mentally tagging that power station as a place which might hypothetically be really cool to explore. Well, now I can. Thanks!

By: carter

carter — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:46:27 -0800

Nice, thanks!

By: honest knave

honest knave — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:47:45 -0800

...as in hypothetically, virtually. After reading the post, I have absolutely *no* intention to go down there. As dsankt notes, there is a conspicuous lack of savepoints in that place.

By: frykitty

frykitty — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:52:48 -0800

Very cool. I think I'll go watch Echoes of Forgotten Places, which has been sitting in the tv room since it arrived a few days ago.

By: vronsky

vronsky — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:15:50 -0800

loved it.

By: stavrogin

stavrogin — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:37:57 -0800

I was Milamber of the Assembly. I'm speechless that he's referencing Raymond Feist. That's just weird.

By: ig

ig — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:56:40 -0800

Great post, really fascinating! I've done a tiny bit of urban underground exploration when I documented artist Zezão in action doing his thing in the sewers of São Paulo. One thing no image or web presentation can quite convey is the odour...[pardon self-links]

By: bardic

bardic — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:10:01 -0800

Watch out for grues.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:25:45 -0800

ig... Fantastic! I've always figured there had to be some great tunnels under SP/Rio/BA and other Latin American cities. Your photos are my first indication that those weren't just idle daydreams. Congratulations on your work. Dear philanthropists who saw my comment earlier, this is what I'm talking about!

By: davebush

davebush — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:28:18 -0800

Anyone know the follow-up on that very cool underground cinema found in France a couple years ago?

By: tomble

tomble — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:38:17 -0800

Don't forget about the Cave Clan!

By: rmm

rmm — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:57:27 -0800

thanks for the link, davebush - indeed a good find. And thank you, kowalski, for my new source of desktop images. I was about to ask you if you had explored any of T.O., but I see you have :) Love the images from the FPP. Stunning stuff. Makes me wish I could do a little urban exploration right now. I did a little as a teen, but get the itch every once in a while, but sadly live in too small of a place and nothing worth exploring probably...

By: Count Ziggurat

Count Ziggurat — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:24:19 -0800

In the same vein, check out Infiltration: the zine about going places you're not supposed to go and the Vanishing Point.

By: Count Ziggurat

Count Ziggurat — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:25:21 -0800

Oops! Sorry, here's the Infiltration link.

By: quin

quin — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:29:45 -0800

Hey, WTF? I don't go and post picture of the insides of your houses online! I mean it's supposed to be a secret lair. Secret. Get it? Now I'm going to have all manner of people tramping around messing up my experiments. Oh well, I guess I've just been putting off building the killer cybernetic watchdogs, and this is just the push I needed to get it done. And yeah, I know the place is kinda messy. But I wasn't expecting company, so gimme a break.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:38:25 -0800

rmm: There are definitely drains, bunkers, and assorted other interesting things in the Bay Area. Berkeley has a rather storied network of steam tunnels, and also nearby drains that have figured strongly in the life of certain subgroups of the student population. There are lots of derelict Navy and Air Force structures, diggings, missile and radar installations and land all along the coast. A large, mostly abandoned hospital complex. Factories, power stations, more drains, a train station, and undoubtedly more. To all: Never underestimate the capacity of the place where you live and the region around it to hold forgotten places, secret places, liminal spaces, hidden gems we drive by or walk over without ever becoming conscious of them. You don't need to travel to Niagara Falls or Chernobyl to find these sorts of places, they're alive in every city around the world. Now, where your city currently sits within cycles of boom and bust and global economic restructuring may affect what is there, what shape it's in, how easy it is to access and how much time you have before it's leveled or rearticulated into the local/global economy, but don't doubt for a second that there's something around the corner or an hour away from you that's worth the effort to see if you're the sort of person that's ready to make that effort and to manage the varying risks involved. There may not be a tunnel burrowed under a river into the back of a mammoth waterfall, but everywhere there are glimmers of the sublime, shades of otherworldly beauty, markers of forces much greater than the minor powers we ourselves possess, fossils of ages and dreams our civilization has left behind. Open your eyes, throw away your inhibitions, bare your heart, scrabble around in dirt and brush and crumbling back streets, and don't ever forget to have a little fun while you're at it. There is magic to be found within temporary spaces poised between past and future, ground and sky, inlet and outfall, construction and disaster. The air buzzes, your eyes widen, and you feel more alive than you would ever have thought possible. With care, thought and initiative, and an understanding and acceptance of manageable risks, these are tremendously worthwhile experiences. I hope some of you will seek them out in whatever fashion you are comfortable with, and I hope you'll tell us stories afterwards.

By: quin

quin — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:26:11 -0800

Extremely well said sir. As I've gotten older, my rock-climbing/ spelunking/ urban exploration days have slowly slipped behind me. But I remember as an adventurous youth slipping into derelict buildings with little more than a flashlight. (And with some much welcomed knowledge, a flashlight, helmet, rope, gloves, boltcutters, and a good knife) And if I were doing it today, the best digital camera I could afford, so that I could document everything. Because there are those of us that have put that part of our lives behind us, who desperately long for a look into what we are missing. [Full disclosure: the 100 year old, former power station building I work in, has an abandoned five story sister right next door. I've been scoping out the very good security and surveillance they have on it for the past 3 years. The moment I find a chink in the armor, I will be the first to slide under the chain link and get some pictures for myself. I may be old, but I ain't dead yet.]

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:06:56 -0800

There may not be a tunnel burrowed under a river into the back of a mammoth waterfall, but everywhere there are glimmers of the sublime, shades of otherworldly beauty, markers of forces much greater than the minor powers we ourselves possess, fossils of ages and dreams our civilization has left behind. Or, more succintly, some really cool shit. Great stuff. Four stars, best of the web.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:22:09 -0800

jesus christ, what horrible prose. Next time, they should bring a writer with them.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:30:38 -0800

Not to hate on the FPP or anything. I mean it was good, I enjoyed it, I appreciate the huevos it takes to do this sort of thing, etc. But seriously. Less slang. Less flowery language. Better objective description. Tell me what you're actually doing. I found the whole thing pretty hard to follow.

By: quin

quin — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:37:38 -0800

Yeah, I'm betting that's a joke, but just to be the devil's-spokesman... Because great pictures and reasonably compelling exposition isn't enough, the next time you and your crew go down a dark and dirty hole to bring us some interesting subject matter, make certain you bring an award winning writer along with you to ensure that your journey's are fully and completely documented. N00bz. amIrite?

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:04:57 -0800

quin, I know that you're trying to snark, but you unwittingly made my point for me. If it's not enjoyable to read, then why should I bother with it? There is no shortage of interesting photos or stories on the internet. And the prose in the FPP was confusing and painful to read. I only slogged through it to get some context for the (moderately) interesting photos.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:23:42 -0800

And lest I seem completely ungrateful, I liked kowalski's site a lot more. Better photos, better writing. His site should have been the FPP, in my opinion.

By: brautigan

brautigan — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:10:56 -0800

Awesome.

By: phirleh

phirleh — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:15:26 -0800

I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of Andrew Emond of worksongs, he has some amazing shots of the falls, some of which I believe were with kowalski.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:29:00 -0800

Phirleh's correct. Unfortunately for all of us, Andrew hasn't had the opportunity to photograph this particular tailrace.

By: peeedro

peeedro — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:13:27 -0800

Sweet cabinet-making Jesus. You've got that right, don't fuck with the Jesus man.

By: growabrain

growabrain — Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:49:38 -0800

"The tailrace is the most incredible underground space I've ever seen. It surpasses everything, even the Labyrinth. If the Labyrinth is slow sensual tantric sex then Confluence is like defiling three midget hermaphrodites in the back of a stretch hummer while you're downing mouthfuls of motherfucking embalming fluid from a platinum chalice with a decapitated baby floater. When the buzz begins to fade bite off a toe son and suck the formaldehyde juiciness right out the flesh. Any super villain of suitably ill repute would be proud to call it home..."

By: It's Raining Florence Henderson

It's Raining Florence Henderson — Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:13:51 -0800

This surprised me. I thought the Illuminati were behind everything.

By: ZachsMind

ZachsMind — Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:31:11 -0800

"This surprised me. I thought the Illuminati were behind everything." Of course they are. Who do ya think paid to have it built? ...ya. The pyramids too.

By: rollbiz

rollbiz — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:55:42 -0800

Very cool kowalski, and eerie. I've been to The Pines, and your photos really capture it well. I've also been to another abandoned former hotel in upstate NY, I don't remember the town. It was called the Hotel Budapest, and it was a really cool site to explore. I've tried and failed at locating a web link, although I know that is how we found it back on '03 when we went there. It was an old resort abandoned, then turned into a Hebrew kids camp, then abandoned once again. Especially creepy were the excessive amounts of Torahs and kid's shoes scattered about... Thanks all for your links!

By: damn dirty ape

damn dirty ape — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:22:19 -0800

Wow, that creative writing class really didnt pay off.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 06:32:28 -0800

In case anyone else is still following this thread, I had the chance to rope back in there this weekend with dsankt and some other great people. [photo] [photo] I'll maybe say more when I'm not so exhausted and about to be late for work.

By: OmieWise

OmieWise — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:24:55 -0800

Very nice post. kowalski, nice site and great photos!

By: aliasless

aliasless — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:32:55 -0800

Damn, that was incredible. Thank you.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:51:10 -0800

Another photo from this weekend