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	<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:18:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>1971 BE (Before Elmo)</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.gossipingbitches.com/articles/archives/000077.php"&gt;The Year of Roosevelt Franklin.&lt;/a&gt; High on the list of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/02/09/the-five-forgotten-on-sesame-street/&quot;&gt;forgotten Sesame Street&lt;/a&gt; characters is one &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Franklin&quot;&gt;Roosevelt Franklin&lt;/a&gt;, a reddish purple muppet with pointed black hair and a distinctly hep style of speech (provided by the late &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.muppetcentral.com/news/2002/080602.shtml&quot;&gt;Matt Robinson&lt;/a&gt;, the show&apos;s original Gordon). Despite Roosevelt&apos;s funky musical sensibilities (demonstrated in an album called &lt;a href=&quot;http://wayoutjunk.blogspot.com/2006/09/my-name-is-roosevelt-franklin.html&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;My Name is Roosevelt Franklin&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, later &lt;a href=&quot;http://bizarrerecords.blogspot.com/2006/11/why-is-man-keeping-roosevelt-franklin.html&quot;&gt;released&lt;/a&gt; as &lt;em&gt;The Year of Roosevelt Franklin&lt;/em&gt;), the character&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.toughpigs.com/anthhipster02.htm&quot;&gt;classroom behavior&lt;/a&gt; was, well, quite frankly, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU_JAbq1KG8&quot;&gt;poison&lt;/a&gt;. His constant misbehavior in school might have been fun to watch, but was seen as representing a negative stereotype and a bad example, and so it was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sesameworkshop.org/aboutus/newsletter_article.php?contentId=88942&amp;type=sesame&quot;&gt;adieu Franklin&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:15:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Astro Zombie</dc:creator>		<category>Sesame</category>		<category>Street</category>		<category>SesameStreet</category>		<category>muppet</category>		<category>RooseveltFranklin</category>		<category>Roosevelt</category>		<category>Franklin</category>
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		<title>By: Astro Zombie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571044</link>	
		<description>I posting: I find the actual Roosevelt Franklin to be much more interesting that the satiric one found in the first link. In retrospect, I would not have included that link.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:18:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flapjax at midnite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571047</link>	
		<description>Great post, Astro. I love Roosevelt. Here&apos;s his &lt;a href=&quot;http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendID=5429435&quot;&gt;MySpace&lt;/a&gt; page: there&apos;s a whole bunch of YouTube clips posted there.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:23:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: splatta</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571067</link>	
		<description>A possible inspiration for this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTeK-kREZuM&quot;&gt;Franklin&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:46:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brujita</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571076</link>	
		<description>Toe in Norma Klein&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Confessions of an Only Child&lt;/em&gt; thought the name was Rosabelle.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:53:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pater Aletheias</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571131</link>	
		<description>I was delighted when that second link mentioned Sam the Robot.  I was starting to think Sam was just a figment of my imagination.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:50:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jason&apos;s_planet</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571133</link>	
		<description>Born in &apos;71 here.  My mom loved the Roosevelt Franklin character.  Me, I can&apos;t remember him.  

&lt;em&gt;Roosevelt Franklin was screwed from the start.

As the token black muppet on the early days of Sesame Street, he was made to carry the weight of the entire race on his spindly, turtlenecked shoulders. &lt;/em&gt;

It&apos;s sad to think that Roosevelt Franklin might have been the first victim of political correctness.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:52:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: three blind mice</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571135</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;His constant misbehavior in school might have been fun to watch, but was seen as representing a negative stereotype&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm, black hair, a distinctly &quot;hep&quot; style of speech, funky musical sensibilities, first name Roosevelt.... a reddish purple color? 

One of these things is not like the others.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:54:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mcwetboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571136</link>	
		<description>Two words: &lt;a href=&quot;http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Harvey_Kneeslapper&quot;&gt;Harvey Kneeslapper&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:54:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fidgets</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571146</link>	
		<description>I always wondered what &lt;a href=&quot;http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&amp;sql=33:pu3ibka96ao9&quot;&gt;that&lt;/a&gt; Organized Konfusion song was about. I had a feeling it wasn&apos;t two Presidents.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:04:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NekulturnY</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571151</link>	
		<description>And what to think about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Roosevelt,_Jr.&quot;&gt;Kermit Roosevelt&lt;/a&gt;? Wouldn&apos;t he have made a great character?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:13:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: waldo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571155</link>	
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A possible inspiration for this Franklin?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely, splatta.  That recurring Arrested Development character was clearly an homage to Roosevelt Franklin.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:19:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ulotrichous</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571156</link>	
		<description>I never forgot Roosevelt Franklin.  It was my favorite album... and I remember that they showed Shea Stadium in the opening.  When visiting New York as a kid, we drove by Shea, and I excitedly pointed out &apos;Roosevelt Franklin Stadium&apos;.

However, there is not enough mention in this post of the sublime genius of Mobity Mosely (Nobody Knows Me), part of Roosevelt Franklin&apos;s supporting cast.  You can hear Mobity Mosely&apos;s track from the album about two minutes into &lt;a href=&quot;http://hellboundalleee.podomatic.com/entry/2007-01-10T19_52_21-08_00&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;  cool podcast from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://hellboundalleee.podomatic.com/&quot;&gt;Hellbound Alleee Network&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:21:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Faint of Butt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571173</link>	
		<description>The happy truth is that Roosevelt Franklin grew up to become &lt;a href=&quot;http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Clifford&quot;&gt;Clifford&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:40:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: anastasiav</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571188</link>	
		<description>Awesome post.

Here&apos;s a groovy &lt;a href=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.com/Fisher-Price-Sesame-Street-ROOSEVELT-FRANKLIN-MINTY_W0QQitemZ170059660552QQihZ007QQcategoryZ2527QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem&quot;&gt;Roosevelt Franklin&lt;/a&gt; &quot;Little People&quot; Fisher Price Toy that I&apos;m adding for no really good reason except that I think he&apos;s cool....</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:57:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Baby_Balrog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571226</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;My mother&apos;s gonna find me as sure as a moose likes moosejuice&lt;a href=&quot;http://files.bizarrerecords.com/files/b/RooseveltAlphabet.mp3&quot;&gt;!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:33:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: furtive</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571251</link>	
		<description>Looks like they recycled his muppet clothes on &quot;Andy Candy&quot; and his body as &quot;Eddie Spaghetti&quot; in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbbqVZ-eFo&quot;&gt;Captain Vegetable&lt;/a&gt; bit.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:06:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leather McWhip</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571383</link>	
		<description>It ain&apos;t easy being reddish purple.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:49:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GaelFC</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571602</link>	
		<description>Roosevelt Franklin was my favorite  Muppet.

He did seem like the token black Muppet, and it&apos;s a bit odd that he shares part of his name with the token black &quot;Peanuts&quot; character.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:21:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Astro Zombie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571620</link>	
		<description>I noticed that too.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:42:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel W</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571828</link>	
		<description>Yeah, that coincidence made the fact that the puppet in &lt;em&gt;Arrested Development&lt;/em&gt; is named Franklin even funnier.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Looks like they recycled his muppet clothes on &quot;Andy Candy&quot; and his body as &quot;Eddie Spaghetti&quot; in the Captain Vegetable bit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It looks like you may be sort of correct here, furtive.  It doesn&apos;t look like the clothes are the same, but Roosevelt Franklin is made out of what they call an Anything Muppet.  These are generally separated by color, body shape (i.e. a green AM, a lavender AM, a fat blue AM, etc.) and how their hands are manipulated.  Aside from their tongues, they have no features (except ears in certain cases) and everything else, such as hair, eyes, noses or clothing, are added on to create a character.  So my guess is that if any of the parts in the Captain Vegetable come from Roosevelt Franklin, then Andy is the same puppet and Eddie has the same hair, though that&apos;s just conjecture and the quality of the image there makes it hard to discern the colors.  Even more interesting to me is that Captain Vegetable himself is simply a lavender AM.  By way of showing the variety of characters they can make from these base materials, though, check out the pages on AMs in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Anything_Muppet_Patterns&quot;&gt;Muppet Wiki&lt;/a&gt;.  And even though Roosevelt Franklin hasn&apos;t appeared on the show in nearly thirty years, at least one of the puppets is still around.  I&apos;ve been doing a project for Sesame Workshop the last couple of months and one of the puppets I&apos;ve handled was labeled &quot;Little Roosevelt Franklin&quot;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was delighted when that second link mentioned Sam the Robot. I was starting to think Sam was just a figment of my imagination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjWoFkxjNAo&quot;&gt;Sam&lt;/a&gt; and Roosevelt &lt;strong&gt;definitely&lt;/strong&gt; belong on that list.  I hadn&apos;t even heard about Sam at all until I had an internship in the archives of the Henson Company a couple of years ago.  Apparently he was based on something Jim and Co. were going to design for the World&apos;s Fair, and he&apos;s one of the characters I would most love to see operated in person.  I don&apos;t understand what Prairie Dawn is doing on that list though.  I suppose the fact that she&apos;s listed says a little something, but she&apos;s still on the show (doing Letter of the Day with Cookie Monster fairly often) and her profile never slipped as low as some of those other characters.

Seems like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progressiveboink.com/archive/sesamestreet.html&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is worth mentioning on any Sesame Street related thread (previously posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/41144&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:11:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ErWenn</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571939</link>	
		<description>I wonder if the removal of Roosevelt Franklin was truly due to being viewed as a negative cultural stereotype.  Maybe they axed him simply because his sketches often glorified causing trouble in school.  That seems to be the reason they dumped Don Music.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:54:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel W</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1571979</link>	
		<description>That seems to be exactly the reason that Sesame Workshop itself gives in the &quot;adieu Franklin&quot; link above.  As you say, that&apos;s why they dropped Don Music, as well as a couple of short films, including &lt;a href=&quot;http://&quot;&gt;Bumble Ardy&lt;/a&gt;, designed by Maurice Sendak.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:55:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fandango_matt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58176/1971-BE-Before-Elmo#1572038</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;&lt;strong&gt;posted by anastasiav&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;Here&apos;s a groovy Roosevelt Franklin &quot;Little People&quot; Fisher Price Toy that I&apos;m adding for no really good reason except that I think he&apos;s cool....&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/small&gt;

Oh, thank you for explaining that. I thought you&apos;d posted a Roosevelt Franklin butt plug.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:26:24 -0800</pubDate>
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