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	<title>Comments on: &quot;We&apos;re space explorers, and we need space!&quot;</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:49:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>&quot;We&apos;re space explorers, and we need space!&quot;</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space</link>	
		<description>Where did you want to live when you grew up? If you&apos;re like me, you read Clarke&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue112/classic.html&quot;&gt;SF classic&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfreviews.net/rama.html&quot;&gt;Rendezvous with Rama&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134933/&quot;&gt;soon&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/movies/rama_film_991217.html&quot;&gt;to be&lt;/a&gt; a major &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rendezvouswithrama.com/&quot;&gt;motion picture&lt;/a&gt;?). Donald E. Davis took what we dreamed about and illustrated it, for NASA. His &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/SpaceSettlement/70sArt/art.html&quot;&gt;depictions&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder&quot;&gt;O&apos;Neill Cylinders&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_torus&quot;&gt;Stanford Tori&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernal_sphere&quot;&gt;Bernal Spheres&lt;/a&gt; are in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.donaldedavis.com/PARTS/allyours.html&quot; title=&quot;All these images are yours, except Europa. Attempt no downloads there.&quot;&gt;public domain&lt;/a&gt; (and make excellent desktop wallpaper).</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:40:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bshort</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575548</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/BIGIMPCT.jpg&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is one of my favorites.</description>
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		<title>By: gubo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575550</link>	
		<description>Wow. Thanks, Don and Eideteker.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:50:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zsazsa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575552</link>	
		<description>Wow. That Rama movie has been in the pipeline for &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/alt.books.arthur-clarke/browse_thread/thread/ca3c076176a94c10/bd12724edad84868?lnk=st&amp;q=%22rendezvous+with+rama%22+%22morgan+freeman%22&amp;rnum=118#bd12724edad84868&quot;&gt;ten years now&lt;/a&gt;. I can&apos;t believe it&apos;s still around. Morgan Freeman must really love it or something.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:51:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mister_A</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575579</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_Cassus&quot;&gt;Stuff like this gives me the willies.&lt;/a&gt;

Cool post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:15:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cavalier</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575587</link>	
		<description>Right, zsazsa.   Development Heck, but still going strong! (?)

I can&apos;t -stand-  the rest of the Rama series,  it was like a rollercoaster ride going down, down, down.   But the first book was faboo.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:22:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: freebird</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575591</link>	
		<description>superneato.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:27:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: owenkun</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575594</link>	
		<description>Let me tell you, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Colony_(Gundam)#Colony_drops&quot;&gt;if you see one of those O&apos;Neill Cylinders coming your way&lt;/a&gt;, get the heck out of there!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:29:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pax digita</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575600</link>	
		<description>Go to your nearest public library&apos;s periodicals stacks and hunt up the July 1976 issue of &lt;em&gt;National Geographic&lt;/em&gt;.  The illustrated article you want to look at is &quot;First Colony in Space.&quot;  I think that&apos;s what first got me thinking beyond Robert A. Heinlein and &lt;i&gt;Star Trek&lt;/i&gt;.  

&lt;small&gt;(I was lying in a rented hospital bed in a body cast (serious spine injury), and it and &quot;Operation Tall Ships&quot; during the Bicentennial celebration totally saved my summer.)&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:36:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: treepour</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575604</link>	
		<description>My expectations for the future were forever warped when I saw that illustration of the Stanford Tori in a children&apos;s encyclopedia.  The little kid in me is still mourning the fact that I&apos;m not living there right now (not to mention the fact that the chance of ever flying like in dreams seems pretty slim.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:38:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brundlefly</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575676</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;All these images are yours, except Europa. Attempt no downloads there.&lt;/em&gt;

LOL! Cool post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:27:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jfuller</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575690</link>	
		<description>I didn&apos;t want to live anywhere in particular. I just wanted to go wherever Uncle Scrooge took Donald and the boys.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:40:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eideteker</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575698</link>	
		<description>brundlefly, I was inspired by the filename of the page.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:47:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jiawen</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575764</link>	
		<description>Thanks for posting these, Eideteker.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:55:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zoogleplex</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575862</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Go to your nearest public library&apos;s periodicals stacks and hunt up the July 1976 issue of National Geographic.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I have a copy of this, which my grandfather gave me. It&apos;s one of my most prized possessions, bagged and boarded. I won&apos;t even put it on my scanner to grab the awesome paintings inside... I guess I should find a second one, huh?

Yeah... I&apos;m a huge nerd.

I&apos;ve posted before that I think we should learn how to build working, sustainable space habitats before we start human-staffed exploration of the solar system, and these old paintings are definitely one part of my thoughts about it.

Thanks, Eideteker!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:53:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: octothorpe</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575910</link>	
		<description>Cool post.  The High Frontier was one of my favorite books as a teenager (yea, I was big geek).  I fear that these habitats are one of those things that are always going to be fifty years in the future though.  We don&apos;t seem any closer to building such things now than we were a quarter century ago when I was in high school.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:02:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GavinR</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575911</link>	
		<description>When it comes to Clarke, my favorite was &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood%27s_End&quot;&gt;Childhood&apos;s End&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:04:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cenoxo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1575939</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/25540&quot;&gt;Previously&lt;/a&gt;. More Don Davis art at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ssi.org/?page_id=13&quot;&gt;Space Studies Institute&lt;/a&gt;.

I&apos;ll stick with our little blue &lt;a href=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Earth-moon.jpg/750px-Earth-moon.jpg&quot;&gt;space colony&lt;/a&gt;, thanks. Once we have it running smoothly, then maybe we can think about spreading out (as long as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still&quot;&gt;neighbors&lt;/a&gt; don&apos;t mind.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:49:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cenoxo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1576018</link>	
		<description>Slovenian rocket engineer &lt;a href=&quot;http://noordung.vesolje.net/vsebina/index.htm&quot;&gt;Herman Poto&#269;nik&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s 1928 book, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://noordung.vesolje.net/vsebina/book.htm&quot;&gt;The Problem of Space Travel - The Rocket Motor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;small&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4026/contents.html&quot;&gt;English text&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/small&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/AuthorTotalAlphaList.asp?AuNum=39&quot;&gt;Jack Williamson&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s 1939 story, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=830&quot;&gt;The City of Space&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, introduced early space habitat concepts that may have inspired Arthur C. Clarke.

WRT pax digita&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/58281#1575600&quot;&gt;reference&lt;/a&gt; to the July 1976 &lt;em&gt;National Geographic&lt;/em&gt; article, &lt;em&gt;The Next Frontier?&lt;/em&gt;, it was written by Isaac Asimov and illustrated by Pierre Mion. I scanned two images from my copy: the Frontier looks mostly like &lt;a href=&quot;http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/8565/tnffarmsjp6.jpg&quot;&gt;factory farms&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/7447/tnfhomeszn7.jpg&quot;&gt;shopping malls&lt;/a&gt; (w/o blue sky), so why move?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:36:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: greycap</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1576139</link>	
		<description>Oh, wow. This is good.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:53:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kattullus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1576363</link>	
		<description>GavinR: Well yes, Childhood&apos;s End is his calling card for literary genius.

This quote from The West Wing seems appropriate:

&lt;i&gt;Leo: My generation never got the future it was promised... Thirty-five years later, cars, air travel is exactly the same. We don&apos;t even have the Concorde anymore. Technology stopped.
Josh: The personal computer...
Leo: A more efficient delivery system for gossip and pornography? Where&apos;s my jet pack, my colonies on the Moon?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:52:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1576564</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.art.eonworks.com/gallery/sci-fi/planetary_mine-199605-SM.jpg&quot;&gt;Wherever you go&lt;/a&gt;, there you are. I love &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.digitalspaceart.com/moonship/&quot;&gt;Space Art&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://visionafar.spaceart.org/atlantis.html&quot;&gt;Trippy&lt;/a&gt;. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.replacements.com/images/images5/china/C/caithness_caithness_paperweight_with_box_P0000013189S0028T2.jpg&quot;&gt;glass&lt;/a&gt; too.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0233/baard.gif&quot;&gt;If NYC were obliterated&lt;/a&gt;, as depicted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bonestell.org/&quot;&gt;Chesley Bonestell&apos;s &lt;/a&gt;painting for Collier&apos;s magazine in 1948.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:30:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1576633</link>	
		<description>*working link for that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0233,baard,37415,1.html&quot;&gt;NYC obliteration &lt;/a&gt;image.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:35:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cenoxo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1577010</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;...more of Bonestell&apos;s vivid NYC paintings &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fabiofeminofantascience.org/BONESTELL/BONESTELL6.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:30:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58281/Were-space-explorers-and-we-need-space#1577360</link>	
		<description>wow cenoxo, those are amazing pictures! Thanks. (maybe they also belong over in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/58330/The-End-Of-The-World-Is-Coming-No-Really-It-Is&quot;&gt;End of the World thread&lt;/a&gt;?)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:21:27 -0800</pubDate>
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