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	<title>Comments on: Peeking opera</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:11:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Peeking opera</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.fotomen.cn/content.php?idx=103852"&gt;With apologies to the European masters&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;[ARTY NUDITY]&lt;/small&gt; Beijing photographer &#28504;&#37470; (Pan Yue) recreates some famous European paintings in a Beijing Opera style. Other series by yer man: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fotomen.cn/content.php?idx=103860&quot;&gt;Farmers in Opera costume&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fotomen.cn/content.php?idx=103858&quot;&gt;Secret Opera&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.supernaut.info/2007/02/_apologies_to_europe.html&quot;&gt;Main link via.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:56:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Abiezer</dc:creator>		<category>PanYue</category>		<category>photography</category>		<category>PekingOpera</category>		<category>OldMasters</category>		<category>Painting</category>
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		<title>By: sotonohito</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593278</link>	
		<description>I thought it was nifty, and my wife who is an art geek thought it was utterly fantastic.  She also managed to identify every one of them from the photograph.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:11:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flapjax at midnite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593280</link>	
		<description>Great post! Interesting how the &lt;b&gt;Farmers in Opera costume&lt;/b&gt; look so &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt;: they&apos;re in the costumes and they have the makeup, but they don&apos;t have the &lt;i&gt;look&lt;/i&gt;, the theatrical attitude, to pull it off. Of course, that&apos;s what makes those photos so interesting. And the &lt;b&gt;Secret Opera&lt;/b&gt; link, those are some of the most pleasing examples of nude art photography I&apos;ve seen in a long time.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:17:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Abiezer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593283</link>	
		<description>flapjax - it says in the text at the &apos;Farmers&apos; link that some of Pan&apos;s subjects were rural performers in county opera troupes, and some just villagers taking part in amateur dramatic-type efforts at festival times. I reckon I could have a guess which were which.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:24:29 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Abiezer</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: flapjax at midnite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593287</link>	
		<description>Ahh, Abiezer, there you go again, you Chinese-readin&apos; so-and-so... ;-)

You gotta start providing translations for some of these Chinese sites, man, so we can make some &lt;i&gt;educated&lt;/i&gt; coments about this stuff! Anyway, thanks again for the post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:35:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slothrop</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593295</link>	
		<description>I saw a performance of Beijing Opera when I was in Beijing in 2004. It was a bit of an endurance-spectator-sport (I think ours ran 4 hours or so), but it was also one of the great spectacles I&apos;ve seen. If you (anyone) ever has a chance to go, I would very much recommend it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:49:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: piratebowling</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593299</link>	
		<description>Lovely! I&apos;m definitely passing this on to a few people.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:02:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Abiezer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593300</link>	
		<description>There is a bit of biographical background on Pan I thought of translating but was too lazy to, but since you ask I am goaded into action (any excuse to show off):&lt;blockquote&gt;Pan Yue &#28504;&#38074; was born 1968 in Beijing to a Manchu family. Studied oil painting at the Central Academy of Art, graduating with a Masters&apos; in 1992. Had some exhibitions of his paintings in the &apos;90s and worked with a gallery in Taiwan, regularly showing work in Taipei. Went to Paris in 2000 for six months study at the Acad&#233;mie des Beaux-Arts (?). Has been teaching art at the Forestry University in Beijing since 1992.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The blurb is by an old classmate of his, and quotes Pan as saying of the farmer&apos;s pics: &quot;They&apos;re some of the most real of contemporary faces; so many things mixed up together - tradition and modern reality,  celebration and apathy, a gorgeous exterior and a hollowness. Although they&apos;re made up, it doesn&apos;t adorn and conceal; it emphasises and refines.&quot;
So I reckon you spotted something the photographer intended flapjax.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:04:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Abiezer</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: fire&amp;wings</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593326</link>	
		<description>Interesting images, although they have fallen some way short of recreating the complexities of The Ambassadors by Holbein :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:02:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gomichild</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593345</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;You gotta start providing translations for some of these Chinese sites, man, so we can make some educated coments about this stuff!&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah he could post them on his blog! &lt;small&gt;oh wait....&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:39:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Abiezer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593351</link>	
		<description>I&apos;d hate to disturb its sleep for mere content, gomi.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:47:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593399</link>	
		<description>This is awesome.  I&apos;d be interested to know if fire&amp;amp;wings is totally right here.  Are any of the props/costume elements in the Chinese version iconographically analogous to the objects in the original (globe, lute, scroll, etc.)?  Presumably the best joke, the fact that &quot;holbein&quot; means &quot;hollow bone&quot; and therefore &quot;skull&quot;, is untranslatable.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:24:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: porpoise</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593408</link>	
		<description>Abiezer - google has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/language_tools&quot;&gt;language translation tool&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fotomen.cn%2Fcontent.php%3Fidx%3D103860&amp;langpair=zh%7Cen&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;prev=%2Flanguage_tools&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is the &apos;Farmers&apos; url put through it. It&apos;s not perfect, but... still, wow.

Frankly, my mind still gets blown away every time the translation tool comes through, especially when translating Chinese to English. &lt;small&gt;(No snarkiness intended, if any came through, please run this post through google&apos;s forum posting desnarkifying tool.)&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:37:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Abiezer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593417</link>	
		<description>Heh, porpoise. That&apos;s simultaneously quite impressive and comfortingly bad. I don&apos;t think I&apos;ll be losing too much translation work to the machines just yet, but the sentence structure of Chinese isn&apos;t so far from English, so they might come up with something better soon. A friend has built &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adsotrans.com/&quot;&gt;this tool&lt;/a&gt; which is looking quite promising.
It&apos;s two hours into a very loud fire-crackering New Year here, so season&apos;s greetings to one and all.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:48:25 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Abiezer</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: CKZ</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593479</link>	
		<description>I get a &quot;Server not found&quot; error. Is there a mirror somewhere?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:16:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>CKZ</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593485</link>	
		<description>Marvelous post! Thanks Abiezer. What fun and an unexpected, interesting find! Love complex and beautiful culture clashes like this. Hilarious renditions and fascinating too. The world is so amazing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:23:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593487</link>	
		<description>And &quot;Peeking Opera&quot;! Ha! :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:26:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: porpoise</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593515</link>	
		<description>OH... whoops, I guess I meant &lt;i&gt;flapjax at midnite&lt;/i&gt;, not Abiezer. Regardless, thanks for posting these, Ab!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:50:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amethysts</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1593523</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;it doesn&apos;t adorn and conceal; it emphasises and refines.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; 

i had that exact same thought about most of the ladies on there. but the men seemed like the opposite.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:56:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: grapefruitmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1594480</link>	
		<description>This is awesome. In some cases, I prefered the Chinese re-make to the original paintings. (Particularly the portraits in profile - those were amazing.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:47:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CKZ</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58715/Peeking-opera#1594872</link>	
		<description>Oh, the photos are mirrored at the last link...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:05:03 -0800</pubDate>
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