"This is a congregation of Antichrists"
February 19, 2007 4:30 PM Subscribe
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda believes he is the Apostle Paul. Or Jesus. Or maybe the antichrist. Many disagree, but he and his purported thousands of followers continue to present their case.
Rick Alan Ross (born 1952 in Cleveland, Ohio, United States, as Ricky Allan Ross) is a consultant and lecturer in the area of cults. He describes himself as a "cult intervention specialist", a term he coined to describe his way of doing exit counseling.
Everyday I'm Husslin'... Ev-Everyday I'm Husslin'...
posted by phaedon at 4:37 PM on February 19, 2007
Everyday I'm Husslin'... Ev-Everyday I'm Husslin'...
posted by phaedon at 4:37 PM on February 19, 2007
"You have the rite to remain solvent."
posted by joe lisboa at 4:57 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by joe lisboa at 4:57 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
I hear from people who proclaim to be a lot of things. I even met the Mahdi in New York in 2004. But, really.
posted by parmanparman at 5:07 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by parmanparman at 5:07 PM on February 19, 2007
I don't proclaim to be a lot of things.
Just Jesus.
posted by Flunkie at 5:10 PM on February 19, 2007
Just Jesus.
posted by Flunkie at 5:10 PM on February 19, 2007
Who would you like to be?
The Statue of Liberty?
Stand with your torch
at the nation's front porch?
For financial gain
and to get out of rain,
you might start a cult
big dollars result.
posted by Cranberry at 5:13 PM on February 19, 2007
The Statue of Liberty?
Stand with your torch
at the nation's front porch?
For financial gain
and to get out of rain,
you might start a cult
big dollars result.
posted by Cranberry at 5:13 PM on February 19, 2007
Because we all know Jesus is all about the offerings, and rings, and cars, and TV stations. Riiiiiiiiiight.
Just when I think people couldn't be more stupid ......
posted by Benny Andajetz at 5:19 PM on February 19, 2007
Just when I think people couldn't be more stupid ......
posted by Benny Andajetz at 5:19 PM on February 19, 2007
Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong.
(Another article, not that you didn't provide enough, saraswati)
posted by found dog one eye at 5:38 PM on February 19, 2007
(Another article, not that you didn't provide enough, saraswati)
posted by found dog one eye at 5:38 PM on February 19, 2007
What if God sent his daughter this time? Would anyone notice?
posted by found dog one eye at 5:39 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by found dog one eye at 5:39 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
We already had one LOLXIANS thread today.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 5:43 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 5:43 PM on February 19, 2007
Jesus Christ on the Today Show 08/25/06
nice title.
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:44 PM on February 19, 2007
nice title.
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:44 PM on February 19, 2007
I just happened to see an article on him over at cnn.com today, with this great line:
Is de Jesus really a cult leader like David Koresh, who died with more than 70 of his Branch Davidian followers in a fiery end to a standoff with federal authorities, or Jim Jones, the founder of the Peoples Temple who committed mass suicide with 900 followers in 1978?
That really sounds like a strange either/or choice.
posted by dw at 5:49 PM on February 19, 2007
Is de Jesus really a cult leader like David Koresh, who died with more than 70 of his Branch Davidian followers in a fiery end to a standoff with federal authorities, or Jim Jones, the founder of the Peoples Temple who committed mass suicide with 900 followers in 1978?
That really sounds like a strange either/or choice.
posted by dw at 5:49 PM on February 19, 2007
his purported thousands of followers continue to present their case
Some guys get all the luck.
posted by Meatbomb at 6:18 PM on February 19, 2007
Some guys get all the luck.
posted by Meatbomb at 6:18 PM on February 19, 2007
Jesus Christ, Man!
posted by katillathehun at 6:33 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by katillathehun at 6:33 PM on February 19, 2007
what a looney.
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 6:35 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 6:35 PM on February 19, 2007
Green Eyed Monster could you please stop the relentless bashing of Christians this one particular delusional and/or devious man unrecognized by 99.9999% of global Christendom? We're making great progress on religious freedom here in the States, and -- who knows? -- we're at the point where I'm starting to think that I might just see a Christian President, a Christian Supreme Court Justice, hell, even a majority-Christian Congress in my own lifetime. Let's not threaten the march of progress with petty internet sniping at persecuted and powerless minorities.
posted by joe lisboa at 6:50 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by joe lisboa at 6:50 PM on February 19, 2007
I really need to finish the ReligionFilter drinking game, don't I?
posted by dw at 6:56 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by dw at 6:56 PM on February 19, 2007
You better hurry that game up, dee-dub, Jesus is coming here! Well, in Puerto Rico. We think.
Do I have to slam by beer now?
posted by joe lisboa at 7:02 PM on February 19, 2007
Do I have to slam by beer now?
posted by joe lisboa at 7:02 PM on February 19, 2007
This is kind of reminiscent of the Process Church folks. They dug both Christ and Satan.
posted by NoMich at 8:05 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by NoMich at 8:05 PM on February 19, 2007
No, I am SpartacusJesus.
No, I am Zorro ... they took my mask ...
posted by bwg at 8:40 PM on February 19, 2007
No, I am Zorro ... they took my mask ...
posted by bwg at 8:40 PM on February 19, 2007
He's Jesus? Riiiiiiight. Get in line, pal.
"There's at least a dozen people alive today who claim to be Jesus come again, for example. Even IF one of them is right, the other eleven are lying to you!" - Rev. Ivan Stang
"You know how dumb the average person is? Well, by definition, half of 'em are even dumber than THAT." - J. R. "Bob" Dobbs
Bob said it. I believe it. That settles it.
posted by ZachsMind at 9:54 PM on February 19, 2007
"There's at least a dozen people alive today who claim to be Jesus come again, for example. Even IF one of them is right, the other eleven are lying to you!" - Rev. Ivan Stang
"You know how dumb the average person is? Well, by definition, half of 'em are even dumber than THAT." - J. R. "Bob" Dobbs
Bob said it. I believe it. That settles it.
posted by ZachsMind at 9:54 PM on February 19, 2007
"There's at least a dozen people alive today who claim to be Jesus come again, for example. Even IF one of them is right, the other eleven are lying to you!"
It's way more than that. There are hundreds of people suffering from Jerusalem syndrome who think they are Jesus, Abraham, etc.
"During a period of 13 years (1980-1993) for which admissions to the Kfar Shaul Mental Health Centre in Jerusalem were analysed, it was reported that 1,200 tourists with severe, Jerusalem-themed mental problems were referred to this clinic."
posted by three blind mice at 10:41 PM on February 19, 2007
It's way more than that. There are hundreds of people suffering from Jerusalem syndrome who think they are Jesus, Abraham, etc.
"During a period of 13 years (1980-1993) for which admissions to the Kfar Shaul Mental Health Centre in Jerusalem were analysed, it was reported that 1,200 tourists with severe, Jerusalem-themed mental problems were referred to this clinic."
posted by three blind mice at 10:41 PM on February 19, 2007
Sometimes, I imagine God Himself is alive and well, living on the Earth. He just fogot who he was. If he remembers before his body dies, it's The End. If not, he'll try again.
As I consider that, I'd be surprised if this wasn't essentially the idea of a relgion, somewhere. Kind of makes me think of Dogma, too.
It occurs to me that it would be wise to be afraid, very afraid, of people who believe someone that thinks he's Jesus.
posted by Goofyy at 11:07 PM on February 19, 2007
As I consider that, I'd be surprised if this wasn't essentially the idea of a relgion, somewhere. Kind of makes me think of Dogma, too.
It occurs to me that it would be wise to be afraid, very afraid, of people who believe someone that thinks he's Jesus.
posted by Goofyy at 11:07 PM on February 19, 2007
I was actually stunned when I read about him in Newsweek. The fact that this guy was flying under my radar, had amassed so many followers AND was proclaiming himself the Antichrist that so surprised me.
It occurs to me that it would be wise to be afraid, very afraid, of people who believe someone that thinks he's Jesus.
posted by Goofyy at 2:07 AM EST on February 20
I think it is more frightening that he has now said he is the Antichrist and has tatooed 666 on his arm and his followers still support him! Very obviously it is all about the charisma of this one man and nothing about the religion that attracts the masses.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:36 AM on February 20, 2007
It occurs to me that it would be wise to be afraid, very afraid, of people who believe someone that thinks he's Jesus.
posted by Goofyy at 2:07 AM EST on February 20
I think it is more frightening that he has now said he is the Antichrist and has tatooed 666 on his arm and his followers still support him! Very obviously it is all about the charisma of this one man and nothing about the religion that attracts the masses.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:36 AM on February 20, 2007
Yes, but he explains the 'antichrist' with a totally different meaning than the usual one, saying it simply means Christ on Earth.
If he gets shot in the head then unexpectedly recovers, worry, a lot.
Myself, I don't see why anyone would fall for a suave dude in an expensive suit, sporting diamond and gold jewelrey, with a tatoo. I'd be checking for the horns, myself.
posted by Goofyy at 9:23 AM on February 20, 2007
If he gets shot in the head then unexpectedly recovers, worry, a lot.
Myself, I don't see why anyone would fall for a suave dude in an expensive suit, sporting diamond and gold jewelrey, with a tatoo. I'd be checking for the horns, myself.
posted by Goofyy at 9:23 AM on February 20, 2007
Considering what we humans did to Him last time He visited us, if God ever returns to Earth in human form, I'm sure we'll be the last to know. Unless of course God actually gets off on crucifixion. I mean, everyone's got their own private little fetishes.
posted by ZachsMind at 9:31 AM on February 20, 2007
posted by ZachsMind at 9:31 AM on February 20, 2007
"What if God sent his daughter this time? Would anyone notice?"
To answer your question....
posted by mkhall at 1:54 PM on February 20, 2007
To answer your question....
posted by mkhall at 1:54 PM on February 20, 2007
That gal who parasailed 30K feet, undoubtedly died while up there, then descended from the heavens reborn is the next Christ, IMO. No science can explain how she did it!
posted by five fresh fish at 9:07 PM on February 20, 2007
posted by five fresh fish at 9:07 PM on February 20, 2007
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