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	<title>Comments on: Gems of 19th and early 20th century penmanship</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:59:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Gems of 19th and early 20th century penmanship</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books/gems_of_penmanship/gems_page34.html&quot;&gt;Gems&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books/gems_of_penmanship/gems_page43.html&quot;&gt;Penmanship&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books/penmans_leisure/penmans_leisure_page13.html&quot;&gt;Penman&apos;s Leisure Hour&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books/jones_ninetyfive/jones_ninetyfive_page2.html&quot;&gt;Ninety-five Lessons in Ornamental Penmanship&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books/champion/the_champion_method_page42.html&quot;&gt;The Champion Method of
Practical Business Writing&lt;/a&gt; and other &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books.htm&quot;&gt;Rare Books on
Calligraphy and Penmanship&lt;/a&gt; from the 19th and early 20th centuries. Lots of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/clark_scrapbook/part_02/clinton_clark_scrapbook_br_part_two_page2.html&quot;&gt;neat&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/clinton_clark.htm&quot;&gt;tidbits&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;small&gt;[via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mlarson.org/&quot;&gt;mlarson.org&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:40:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mediareport</dc:creator>		<category>art</category>		<category>writing</category>		<category>illustration</category>		<category>penmanship</category>		<category>books</category>		<category>fonts</category>		<category>vintage</category>		<category>design</category>
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		<title>By: furtive</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601515</link>	
		<description>Prestidigitation applied to paper.  Bravo!</description>
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		<title>By: mediareport</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601520</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Real Pen Work&lt;/em&gt; has some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books/real_penwork/real_pen_work_page37.html&quot;&gt;amazing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iampeth.com/books/real_penwork/real_pen_work_page25.html&quot;&gt;ones&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:07:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: b1tr0t</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601533</link>	
		<description>I blame &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schizophrenia.org/artist.html&quot;&gt;schizophrenia&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:39:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601535</link>	
		<description>As a child during the birth of the personal computer concept, my schools downplayed the importance of penmanship. And as an adult, I feel this was a loss in my life. My handwriting is awful, though in the years since I&apos;ve discovered this failing of mine, I&apos;ve worked very hard to compensate. Unfortunately, I have several engineer friends who are slightly older, who didn&apos;t suffer the same lack of attention to their handwriting skills and can produce wonderfully clear writing in both text and script. I am constantly jealous of this trait. 

Interestingly, I have at least two employees who are a decade or two younger than me who have magnificent script, so at least I know the skill-set is not completely lost to the ages. (and yeah, I&apos;m deeply jealous of their abilities as well.)

I can&apos;t even fathom having the skills to produce the kind of work in the original post. My envy runs deep every time I look up an old patent or something where the genius that had a good idea, &lt;em&gt;also&lt;/em&gt; had perfect penmanship. It hurts my pride.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:43:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>quin</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: b1tr0t</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601538</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;My envy runs deep every time I look up an old patent or something where the genius that had a good idea, also had perfect penmanship.&lt;/i&gt;

Alternately, the genius that had a good idea also had a scretary or three on staff to write stuff down in a presentable format.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:48:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peacay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601561</link>	
		<description>That is a fantastic resource. Just as a self linking aside, the first time I posted some images from IAMPETH, the grandson of one of the artists (penmen? calligraphers?) stopped &lt;a href=&quot;http://bibliodyssey.blogspot.com/2006/01/art-of-penmanship.html&quot;&gt;by&lt;/a&gt;, which I thought was pretty amazing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:17:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brittanie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601595</link>	
		<description>Hmm. Perty.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:24:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brittanie</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1602010</link>	
		<description>Sublime! Ahhh. Really enjoyed that! Thanks mediareport.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:37:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: madamjujujive</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1602198</link>	
		<description>Wonderful post, mediareport - thanks! 
Ah, I remember a sadistic nun that made me practice penmanship for hours with a penny balanced on my wrist. We learned the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zanerian.com/Palmer.html&quot;&gt;Palmer method&lt;/a&gt;. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zanerian.com/&quot;&gt;Zanerian&lt;/a&gt; is another good site of ornamental penmanship with galleries of famous penmen, among other collections.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:57:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: !Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1602278</link>	
		<description>This is really cool.

When I was younger, I wanted a super nintendo. Believing that I should earn such a luxurious gift, my dad wanted me to earn it. He gave me the task of practicing all of my letters for a page each, not because I was just learning to write, but because my handwriting was terrible. I went through the motions and got my super nintendo, but I don&apos;t think it really improved my penmanship. I think if I&apos;d had something more guided than just &quot;practice your penmanship&quot;, I might have gotten somewhere with it. Or maybe I was just a stupid kid who wanted a super nintendo and wasn&apos;t dorky enough yet to think good handwriting was awesome. Now that I&apos;m an engineer(ing student) I really wish I wrote better. Some of my colleagues can write amazingly small and clearly and I always envy their neat assignments when I turn in my messy bunch of papers.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:44:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brittanie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1602282</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t understand these people who say they never learned penmanship. I&apos;m 26. I was in grade school from 1986 to 1992 (circa) and I had to study regular penmanship, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.handwritingworksheets.com/denelian-1/make-d.htm&quot;&gt;Denelian&lt;/a&gt; and cursive. I have really, really good handwriting, even though I do most of my writing on the computer.

I don&apos;t know how old &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1601535&quot;&gt;quin&lt;/a&gt; is but I find it odd that they don&apos;t teach this stuff anymore. Then again, I did go to school in Oklahoma, so the methods there may be as archaic as they get.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:52:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58926/Gems-of-19th-and-early-20th-century-penmanship#1602324</link>	
		<description>35 Brittanie, and my younger siblings will attest that they still certainly do teach penmanship in schools. I just happened to be attending when the educational facilities in my area were making the transition to computers. They didn&apos;t stop teaching hand writing skills, but they encouraged us to turn in reports and essays in a printed format. That lack of practice, probably more than anything else, hurt my abilities later in life. 

I was always bad a penmanship, and I&apos;m sure it caused some sort of feedback loop where, knowing I wasn&apos;t good at it, I made use of the printers to compensate, and thus did not get the experience I needed. 

My fault, to be certain. It was only much later that I realized how awful it was to look over my old handwritten notes and be not able to read them. It&apos;s is what inspired me to completely retrain myself.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:19:25 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>quin</dc:creator>
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