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Coulterfilter: She calls John Edwards a "faggot" speaking at this year's Conservative Political Action Conference. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was thrilled to be speaking before her ("Oh yeah!"), and during her talk she went on to endorse him. At least one conservative blogger isn't pleased with Coulter's act, while a prominent liberal blogger sees this as yet another example of "IOKIYAR" behavior. Gay Republican writer Andrew Sullivan also weighs in: "When you see her in such a context, you realize that she truly represents the heart and soul of contemporary conservative activism, especially among the young."
posted by bardic (276 comments total) 3 users marked this as a favorite

 
Yuck.
posted by grobstein at 7:04 PM on March 2, 2007


Context.
posted by bardic at 7:05 PM on March 2, 2007


It will be interesting to see how this will develop. Howard Dean's already on it.

When you see her in such a context, you realize that she truly represents the heart and soul of contemporary conservative activism, especially among the young.

Context aside, that thought has come to my mind as well.
posted by y2karl at 7:06 PM on March 2, 2007


There is no such thing as Coulterfilter.
posted by BeerFilter at 7:06 PM on March 2, 2007 [2 favorites]


Classy bitch you got there. No wonder she can't find a boyfriend.
posted by Balisong at 7:08 PM on March 2, 2007 [5 favorites]


Why, when Sullivan realizes that she "truly represents the heart and soul of...conservative[s]", does he, as a gay man, think he's welcome in the Republican party? Does he really think they'd spend 1/100,000,000th of the effort working for him that he's spent shilling for them?
posted by DU at 7:11 PM on March 2, 2007


Malkin refers to the crowd response as a "smattering" of laughter. I don't think that means what she thinks it means.
posted by Gilbert at 7:13 PM on March 2, 2007


When you feel the need to start a post with 'Coulterfilter', feel free to just scrap the post entirely. kthnx
posted by Effigy2000 at 7:13 PM on March 2, 2007


I've seen the clip, I still don't get the joke she was making. Going the rehab for saying faggot? WTF?

With her wit, I'm waiting for her to make the same joke about Obama, just with "nigger" instead.
posted by piratebowling at 7:13 PM on March 2, 2007


rhymes with stunt.
posted by pruner at 7:16 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


Effigy2000, I felt the need to let asshats like yourself know that if they aren't interested in this, they can kindly move on. kthnx.
posted by bardic at 7:18 PM on March 2, 2007


I'm just saying, bardic, there's a reason why there's no posts tagged with AnnCoulture past last summer.
posted by BeerFilter at 7:20 PM on March 2, 2007


-e
posted by BeerFilter at 7:20 PM on March 2, 2007


Fucking Ann Coutler should be fucking ab intio grounds for fucking deletion on sihgt. Yeah it's the clarity of the pub taklking.

Love ya bardic, but jesus fuck - COULTER? FUCK!
posted by hangashore at 7:22 PM on March 2, 2007


in re Gilbert's link: If Michelle Malkin disapproves of what you've said, well, damn.
posted by boo_radley at 7:26 PM on March 2, 2007


Dear everyone paying attention to Ann Coulter: do not feed the trolls.
posted by Joe Invisible at 7:26 PM on March 2, 2007


That David Benzion of the Lone Star Times you linked ended his piece with
And for candidate Mitt Romney, who introduced Coulter, just three words of advice.

Sister. Souljah. Moment.
Ah, we shall see. Romney's own speech seems to have been the bomb in shameless pander, he gave her a shout out and she gave him an endorsement. That's why it will be interesting to see whether this story has legs.

But that Romney does have the must have good hair and one wife demographic definitely locked up.
posted by y2karl at 7:26 PM on March 2, 2007


I've seen the clip, I still don't get the joke she was making. Going the rehab for saying faggot? WTF?

I don't get it either. If the thread isn't overrun by protesters perhaps someone will be able to clarify.
posted by juiceCake at 7:27 PM on March 2, 2007


la la la la I can't hear you Ann Coulter la la la la la!!!
posted by brain cloud at 7:28 PM on March 2, 2007


Awesome. That's the first time I've ever been called an asshat on the intertubes. That makes calling out your incredibly shitty fucking post all the more worth it.
posted by Effigy2000 at 7:29 PM on March 2, 2007 [3 favorites]


bardic provided the context for the "going to rehab" bit in his first comment
posted by pruner at 7:31 PM on March 2, 2007


Her comment isn't really that disturbing -- that's her schtick. It's the audience's reaction that's really sad. You'd think they'd hide their disdain for homosexuals better when they're on TV, but there you go.
posted by dhammond at 7:32 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


People still pay attention to anything coming out of this bitch's mouth? Why? If I heard her say, "help me my legs are on fire!" I would be hard pressed to utilize the required energy to throw a wet blanket in her general direction.

Normally I think everything deserves its place in The Blue. Get back in touch with me when Ann Coulter poses for Playboy. MAYYBE I'll feign an interest then.

She's snoresville. She's so 1996. Her time has come and gone. She needs to climb back into the folds of fat between Rush Limbaugh's ribs from wence she came. This. Is an Ex. Parrot.
posted by ZachsMind at 7:32 PM on March 2, 2007 [2 favorites]


An actor on "Grey's Anatomy" dropped an f-bomb on the set, and went into rehab. The idea was that he wasn't a bigot, but had a drinking problem. The convetional wisdom was that, no, he was just a bigot. That's the set-up for her "joke."

Among the many things that blow my mind here is the fact that Edwards is, by all accounts, happily married. His wife had cancer, and he stayed with her (unlike, say, Newt Gingrich). Coulter is single. No crime there, obviously. But it's hardly a position from which one wants to start casting asperions with regards to sexuality.

Anyways, I'm sure many think another Coulter post is lame, but Greenwald and Sullivan both make important points -- she's not a fringe figure. She's the clean-up batter at the year's largest gathering of Republican/conservative activists. Mitt Romney is arguably second only to Giuliani in terms of getting the Republican nomination, and he's all aflutter to speak before her. It's truly insane.
posted by bardic at 7:33 PM on March 2, 2007


It's a Grey's Anatomy reference. One of the actors went to rehab after calling another actor a 'faggot' on set, as I remember.
posted by sweet mister at 7:33 PM on March 2, 2007


Joke?
The last time I heard someone call someone else a "Faggot" as a joke was in the high school gym locker room.

I think it was in response to a squealer fart.
posted by Balisong at 7:33 PM on March 2, 2007


In years to come the Repubs will look back on this kind of thing and say "what the hell were we thinking?"



from the wilderness
posted by sweet mister at 7:34 PM on March 2, 2007


I don't know anyone I respect who takes Coulter seriously any more, if they ever did. I certainly never thought she was worth listening to.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 7:34 PM on March 2, 2007


99% of the time the "just ignore her" approach to Coulter is dead on, but when she shares the stage with a Republican presidential candidate and calls someone a faggot to hearty cheering, I think it's worth taking note.
posted by Espy Gillespie at 7:36 PM on March 2, 2007 [9 favorites]


I don't get it either. If the thread isn't overrun by protesters perhaps someone will be able to clarify.

I believe she was both calling Edwards a faggot while also decrying the PC crowd who would freak out at such a statement. Both sentiments were probably designed to troll our culture for loud reactions to offensive statements. It seems that often the reaction against political correctness is degrade large groups of people at once and then laugh when people are offended. It's very edgy, you see.
posted by aburd at 7:36 PM on March 2, 2007


I've seen the clip, I still don't get the joke she was making. Going the rehab for saying faggot? WTF?

I don't get it either. If the thread isn't overrun by protesters perhaps someone will be able to clarify.


Here's a comment from someone who apparently got it from the Lone Star Times link from above:
american woman Says:
March 2nd, 2007 at 8:11 pm

So Ann spoke her mind to a group of fellow conservatives. She is known to not mince words, and always is cutting edge. Should she apologize? OH good grief, can’t John Edwards handle being called that once by a beautiful blonde. Maybe she could ask to use his hair spray? Ann did not make a movie or write a book suggesting how to kill him, which has been done about President Bush. Ann did’nt have sex with him while others waited in the rose garden. She just used a politically incorrect term to a room full of people she considered to be friendly to her views.
posted by y2karl at 7:36 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


Both sentiments were probably designed to troll our culture for loud reactions to offensive statements.

Guess what, it worked!
posted by dhammond at 7:38 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


Effigy2000, I'm sorry terrorists invaded your home and made you click on my incredibly shitty post and then made you comment in it. Twice. Now go away.

Zachsmind writes She's snoresville. She's so 1996.

No. Pay attention. She's the biggest draw at the year's biggest gathering of Republican politicians, pundits, and boosters. All the candidates were there. She isn't a fringe character. She's a major player, and any Republican candidate worth his salt would do a lot to get her endorsement.

Haven't been able to find anything statement from Romney's campaign yet. Should be interesting.
posted by bardic at 7:38 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


SCDB writes I don't know anyone I respect who takes Coulter seriously any more, if they ever did.

So I take it you're not a Romney fan.
posted by bardic at 7:39 PM on March 2, 2007


D'Souza and the Violent Right
posted by homunculus at 7:41 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


So, what is IOKIYAR behavior?
posted by dobie at 7:42 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


It seems that often the reaction against political correctness is degrade large groups of people at once and then laugh when people are offended. It's very edgy, you see.

And memorable--which is why I wonder what those who repeatedly make such edgy comments here are thinking. You don't forget that stuff ever.
posted by y2karl at 7:42 PM on March 2, 2007


Michelle Malkin posts about it as well.

"A smattering of laughter.

Not from this corner.

Crickets chirping."

Maybe Ann Coulter will just go away. One can wish.
posted by drstein at 7:43 PM on March 2, 2007


So, what is IOKIYAR behavior?

Google is your friend.
posted by y2karl at 7:44 PM on March 2, 2007


IMO, there is a noticeable gasp in the room when she lets her f-bomb fly, and no doubt there were people there who were upset with her. But then, the laughter comes in, and fills the void so to speak.

It would be nice to hear from those people who weren't amused, but somehow I doubt we will. Not a lot of them at least.
posted by bardic at 7:47 PM on March 2, 2007


She keeps referring to long-term married men as homosexuals. Paging Dr. Freud!
posted by Brian B. at 7:48 PM on March 2, 2007 [2 favorites]


These threads and these stories are infuriating, because the words used to identify them are meaningless. Why exactly is Ann Coulter a conservative? Because she says she is? What is a conservative? What are they conserving?

Is it traditional moral values, whatever they are? According to traditional moral values, people should abstain from premarital sex. Ann Coulter is pushing 40. Are we supposed to believe that she's a virgin?

And Andrew Sullivan identifying as a Republican? Don't people see through that? If he identified himself as a democrat, he'd have no career. Yet another gay writer who's a democrat, big deal. But simply by calling himself a republican, despite the fact that absolutely none of his writing supports the republican position on anything, he's a focal point. Ooo, let's hear how the gay republican is going to address gay marriage, etc etc.

He's not a republican, and she's not a conservative. They chose those labels on purpose because they contradict the stereotype? Attractive young blond lawyer and the gay write with HIV are republicans? IT's unexpected, so you pay attention, because you expect and srt of understand the sterotype jowly white male in his 50's to support the the repulicans stand for, but not bright young cosmopolitan women and gay men.

With both of these people, it's a fucking act, a pose. How does no one see that?
posted by Pastabagel at 7:51 PM on March 2, 2007 [6 favorites]


Maybe she's making a sequel to Borat. Republicans can't really be that bigoted, can they?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 7:52 PM on March 2, 2007 [2 favorites]


It would be nice to hear from those people who weren't amused, but somehow I doubt we will.

For what it's worth, Bryan Preston at Michelle Malkin's Hot Air had a less than charitable take on the joke, and there is a small handful of reasonable comments there from conservatives. Not nearly enough, IMHO.
posted by dhammond at 7:53 PM on March 2, 2007


When I think of livewire AC, I think of the modern rightwing media star as unprincipled demagogue, one whose breathtakingly bizarre pronouncements are unbecoming to anyone with a public forum. The phrase "common weal" is a laughable anachronism; slash-and-burn is how she gets her wares to market. In other words, she's a Fox, if not a fox.

True believers cling to the fantasy that "pundits" like Coulter speak the truths that few dare utter. In private, however, their heroine apparently strayed from the path of righteousness. David Brock (The Real Anita Hill, The Seduction of Hillary Rodham, Blinded by the Right) wrote:
Thinking back on my relationship with Ann now, it's dismaying to realize how a certain kind of politics can disrupt every aspect of your life.... We never had a serious conversation about politics, or anything else. Instead, we smoked, drank to excess ... and vented our anger and cruelty by hurling all manner of epithets at liberals and the disadvantaged among us.... And though she had dated John Podhoretz, a virulent anti-Semitism that I had indulged her in for far too long punctuated Ann's private conversations.
posted by rob511 at 7:54 PM on March 2, 2007


As long as see makes money with her foul mouth she will continue to do so. No surprise there.
posted by homodigitalis at 7:55 PM on March 2, 2007


She is angry. Angry because she can't get laid.

No. I mean she CAN'T get laid. It's a tragic birth defect.

Her vestigial testicles evidently block the entrance to her tiny misshapen vagina.

I know what you're thinking.

You're thinking "Hey. There is always Anal."

Alas it's not an option. Coulter's anus is actually located in her mouth cavity.

And with the shit that spews out of THAT ugly orifice? Nobody wants to fuck that mouth.
posted by tkchrist at 7:55 PM on March 2, 2007 [12 favorites]


She keeps referring to long-term married men as homosexuals.

Except Mitt Romney. He's got one wife and a great haircut but it's the IOKIYAR good hair. No Nancy Boy he.
posted by y2karl at 7:55 PM on March 2, 2007


(or, what Pastabagel said)
posted by rob511 at 7:55 PM on March 2, 2007


Who cares about her? Just listen to the laughter and eventual clapping from the folks there. Either a) they thought it was funny and a good barb, or b) a couple of vocal people there thought it was and everyone there is so intimidated to fall out of line with the groupthink, they immediately ignored their revulsion and cheered.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:56 PM on March 2, 2007


class and breeding will always tell.
posted by bruce at 7:56 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


So I take it you're not a Romney fan.

Not particularly. Don't know much about him, and don't really care to.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 7:58 PM on March 2, 2007


It's not interesting that Ann Coulter said it. What's interesting (or what's going to be) is everyone and their mothers defending her as a satirist of the highest order, a comedic talent unseen since the heydey of that grand dame and comedienne of the Senate, Jesse Helms.

Or better yet, Fox News and their ilk quietly condemn her but continue to allow her onto their shows three times a week to promote her latest collection of bon mots, "Nigger-Loving Fags: A Epistle to the American Left," containing chapters sure to get the P.C. Dems into a tizzy, such as "Sand-Niggers Smell Funny" and "No, Seriously, I'm Not Joking, Pick Up Your Gun and Go Shoot Queers" which will, in turn, make her rich enough to finally afford to get Sean Hannity's pretty Irish lips surgically unclenched from around her cock.
posted by StopMakingSense at 7:58 PM on March 2, 2007 [3 favorites]


So this is where I get flamed for saying she looks like a bad post-op tranny. No offense to trannies.
posted by newfers at 7:58 PM on March 2, 2007


I take Coulter at about 25% face value, and the other 75% as humor, wit, or insult-humor. Sort of like the Bill Maher of the Right.

But much, much prettier.
posted by davidmsc at 7:59 PM on March 2, 2007


anyone wanna bet that her next book won't be titled "Faggots"?
posted by pruner at 8:06 PM on March 2, 2007


Ann Coulter is not a commentator; she is an "act", and not a class act at all. Really, she is not to be taken seriously.
posted by longsleeves at 8:09 PM on March 2, 2007


well, ann, it's like this ... first your looks go and then it's your mind ...

*looks at photographs, reviews ann's career*

never mind, dear, you were just doomed from the start
posted by pyramid termite at 8:14 PM on March 2, 2007


"Except Mitt Romney. He's got one wife..."

As far as we know.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:15 PM on March 2, 2007


davidmsc, do you really find her attractive?
posted by longsleeves at 8:20 PM on March 2, 2007


YES!!! Please, Mitt Romney, His Expediency...Please continue to be so pleased to share a stage with that trannie neocon. As a MA resident formerly under the neglect you called governance, I sincerely wish that your candidacy end in the biggest flameout of my political lifetime.

You're well on your way, good sir.

Oh, and one more thing: Ask that dumb fraud how Ted Haggard is doing.
posted by rollbiz at 8:22 PM on March 2, 2007


"Except Mitt Romney. He's got one wife..."

And Romney will spend millions between now and next year trying to get people to divorce the subtext of polygamy from his name.
posted by Brian B. at 8:23 PM on March 2, 2007


Well, of all the possible outlets, Fox News is carrying a story about Howard Dean's reaction already. Developing, indeed.
posted by y2karl at 8:28 PM on March 2, 2007


Pastabagel, those are good points. But what Greenwald is getting at is the fact that if she's a talentless, substanceless "act," then why is she taken so seriously by many Republicans? She's rubbing elbows with the guy who will the next Republican candidate for POTUS. They're courting her. That's fairly serious shit, pardon my French.

So yeah, it's frustrating that she gets so much attention (and that I've obviously given her some more with this post).

So, I'll attempt to Godwinize my own FPP -- one Jew speaking to another Jew, Germany, 1939: "Well, Hitler's a douche but c'mon, he's only the head of the Nazi party. It's not like he has any real power."

/bow
posted by bardic at 8:29 PM on March 2, 2007


Well, this CPAC must have been a hell of a party (conference).

The whole point of an Ann Coulter is to let everybody else in her party look terribly reasonable by comparison, and kind.

"Why don't they put solar panels on Al Gore?' And, "Did Al Gore swallow Michael Moore?' And, "You know what they say about guys with small carbon footprints.'

She also referred to Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama,' and said Hillary was already at work on hiring her White House team, "a group of hard-working men and women, none of whom is named Monica.'

posted by carmina at 8:30 PM on March 2, 2007


For those of you not present through the last four years of absentee governance in MA, give thanks. Mitt Romney was/is a fraud. Floodgate is a pretty good example of his "leadership".
posted by rollbiz at 8:30 PM on March 2, 2007


With her wit, I'm waiting for her to make the same joke about Obama, just with "nigger" instead.

She better not say that in New York.
posted by inconsequentialist at 8:32 PM on March 2, 2007


I Fucked Ann Coulter in the Ass, Hard
posted by Balisong at 8:34 PM on March 2, 2007


From the comment thread at Hot Air:

When the left sticks up for NAMBLA and compares Bush to Hitler its free speech. Ann calls Edwards queer and shes off the rails heading for a trainwreck? I love Ann as she has done a great deal to advance the cause of conservatism. One of the reasons she is so successful is she knows how to get press. This proves that for sure. I know some of you don't like to get your hands dirty and want to appear a notch or two above the lefties in decorum but I have news for you.. They don't care. Not only that but Mr. & Mrs. undecided voter don't care either. All you have to do is see what the entertainment industry is selling. You don't have to agree with it but you do have to admit they know how to sell products and messages. Many of us long for the days when we were growing up and it was okay to be a tiny bit intolerant of others. After all what is liberty without the freedom to be intolerant of others. Plus, have you seen John Edwards? I knew there was something about him.

Uh huh. She's just a comedian. Right.

Unless this guy is too, and the meta-satire is just over my head, or something.
posted by jokeefe at 8:35 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


The comments in such places are interesting to read.This little blip is certainly is bringing out the knuckle draggers.
posted by y2karl at 8:43 PM on March 2, 2007


Oh nos! Omit needless verbs!
posted by y2karl at 8:45 PM on March 2, 2007


Why is she taken seriously? Why was Alec Baldwin or Barbara Streisand taken seriously by the democrats in the 90's? Why do democrats take Janine Garofolo seriously now? They're entertainers, and so is Coulter. And she gets big ratings, perhaps because she's the stereotypical republican's fantasy.

She's not a theorist, or an analyst. She's not even a pundit. She gets ratings. She gets coverage. People pay attention because she's outrageous. You pay attention.

And as a result? Romney now appears to be a frontrunner for the Republican nomination.

It isn't serious except for some reason the popular culture hasn't caught up with this new form of punditainment. Because she's not from an entertainment background (not an actress, etc) we assume she must know something because she's on news shows and talk shows that are supposed to be real. By why should she be real? Why couldn't someone just cook up this character of the hot blonde conservative, and then play the part on stageFox News.

The problem is not Coulter because there will always be Coulters. Does anyone remember Morton Downey, Jr's WOR show out of New York back in the 80's? He was Coulter before the media had a place for that, so he had to create his own, and that boxed him in. Coulter is not so limited.

The problem is: what the hell is the news media thinking? How many thousands of universities are in this country? How many think tanks? Yes, I realize that they are very often flacks, but their jobs as flacks is to provide the intellectual cover, the theory, the big ideas. Why aren't those people on TV?

Because they don't get ratings she does. And in America, in the end its always about more money.
posted by Pastabagel at 8:45 PM on March 2, 2007


Ann Coulter would be nothing without liberal outrage. Lisa Simpson had the perfect antidote to Ann Coulter: "just don't look". But you can't look away can you liberals? Of course you can't. Because the curveballs are just too hard to hit aren't they? That's why the Republicans give you Coulter and her lob pitches to distract you while they rape the Treasury. Anyone remember Philip Perry? No? Well then, I guess Ann Coulter did her job today didn't she...
posted by any major dude at 8:48 PM on March 2, 2007


Also, I'd like to point out something about comments like this one:

I Fucked Ann Coulter in the Ass, Hard
posted by Balisong at 11:34 PM EST on March 2
;

this one:

"Sand-Niggers Smell Funny" and "No, Seriously, I'm Not Joking, Pick Up Your Gun and Go Shoot Queers" which will, in turn, make her rich enough to finally afford to get Sean Hannity's pretty Irish lips surgically unclenched from around her cock.
posted by StopMakingSense at 10:58 PM EST on March 2
;

and this one:

Her vestigial testicles evidently block the entrance to her tiny misshapen vagina.
I know what you're thinking.
You're thinking "Hey. There is always Anal."
Alas it's not an option. Coulter's anus is actually located in her mouth cavity.
And with the shit that spews out of THAT ugly orifice? Nobody wants to fuck that mouth.
posted by tkchrist at 10:55 PM EST on March 2
.

What I said above about her choosing the republican moniker because it contrasts so sharply with the fact that she's young, attractive, and single is implicated in these comments. The reaction to the fact that she's so venomous a republican/conservative is to attack her womanhood and suggest that she's a man. She is so outside of the stereotype that the joke tries to force her back into it.

And I do have a sense of humor, it's just interesting to note that the attacks on her always seem to revolve around her actually being a guy.
posted by Pastabagel at 8:55 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


It's the adams apple.
posted by Balisong at 9:02 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


Romney now appears to be a frontrunner for the Republican nomination.

Where are you getting this information?
posted by Brian B. at 9:05 PM on March 2, 2007


All political posts are crap, but giving that damn attention whole Coulter more attention is especially egregious.
posted by LarryC at 9:09 PM on March 2, 2007


Ann Coulter keeps reminding me of that joke whose punchline is "Well, the Suez Canal is a busy ditch..."

Presenting the Homecoming King and Queen of the Republican party -- Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. Makes you wonder who's the man in that relationship.
posted by clevershark at 9:09 PM on March 2, 2007


Pastabagel opines "And I do have a sense of humor, it's just interesting to note that the attacks on her always seem to revolve around her actually being a guy."

It's more in line with her self-crafted media persona than straight biology.

And that Adam's apple is fucking enormous, as has been pointed out. Seriously. Any GIS will bear that out.
posted by clevershark at 9:12 PM on March 2, 2007


What I said above about her choosing the republican moniker because it contrasts so sharply with the fact that she's young, attractive, and single is implicated in these comments.

Hm. Single, yes. But 45 used to be considered "middle aged," and amaciated and horefaced used to be considered homely.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:14 PM on March 2, 2007 [3 favorites]


The reaction to the fact that she's so venomous a republican/conservative is to attack her womanhood and suggest that she's a man.

That's a vein even Wonkette mines: Video here, in case you’ve forgotten what it looks like when Edgar Winter says a dirty word.

It is not, to say the least, less than ironic to seeing someone who calls various Democrats fags or lesbians being called a pre-op tranny. Ugly comments about an person who makes ugly comments are way too pot and urinal for my tastes. I have to say I don't care for the constant trashing of her looks here or the obligatory anal sex link. She's an attractive woman by societal standards.

What is more interesting about this story is not Coulter so much as what she said and where she said it and how it will play out as a story in regards to the Republican candidates who were also there. This has the potential of becoming a cultural watershed event.
posted by y2karl at 9:20 PM on March 2, 2007


It's the adams apple.

Yes, because if she goes around insulting people who are gay, then it's clearly okay for us to start insulting people who are transgender.
posted by jiawen at 9:23 PM on March 2, 2007 [3 favorites]


bardic: He didn't go into rehab for substance abuse, it was for 'anger management' and 'insensitivity'. In other words, the PR people freaked out, and tried everything they could to try and soften the damage.
posted by teenwolf at 9:26 PM on March 2, 2007


What PastaBagel said; the 'tranny' thing isn't much different than her calling Edwards a faggot - except it requires far less imagination and creativity, and coming from ostensibly intelligent, 'liberal' people, offends me much more.

If you're simply incapable of ignoring the moron, at least find some way of expressing your contempt that's interesting, different, and doesn't make you sound like a twelve year old. I mean, there's a hell of a lot more there to work with.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:32 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


"And I do have a sense of humor, it's just interesting to note that the attacks on her always seem to revolve around her actually being a guy."

Which is not unrelated.
posted by Brian B. at 9:38 PM on March 2, 2007


This has the potential of becoming a cultural watershed event.

Nah, the "liberal media" will say that there was a "gasp" when she said it, and "scattered applause", and that will be the end of it.
posted by interrobang at 9:41 PM on March 2, 2007


What I think is quite ridiculous is everyone's insistence in here that Romney is going to be the next Republican nominee. Have any of you even looked at the polls?

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm

Romney is behind Newt Gingrich, who isn't even running!

The candidates are McCain and Giuliani, and most likely McCain in my opinion as Giuliani has too much baggage in regards to the religious right.
posted by zhivota at 9:41 PM on March 2, 2007


Reaction formation in slightly more detail, in order to compare Coulter's behavior.
posted by Brian B. at 9:42 PM on March 2, 2007


Ok so I looked it up and maybe Gingrich will run, but that doesn't stand up to Romney's announced candidacy.
posted by zhivota at 9:44 PM on March 2, 2007


Pastabagel, you misunderstand me, I was referring to Ann Coulter's metaphorical cock pushing past the tight, constricting throat muscles of Sean Hannity to tickle his uvula.

Or maybe it was just my frenzied, adolescent reaction to the uexpected sort of conservative who is a hyper-rich, thin, blonde 45-year old lawyer.
posted by StopMakingSense at 9:48 PM on March 2, 2007


I never suggested Romney was a frontrunner. I said he appears to be one as a result of this event. This event and Coulter's support creates the impression that he is a contender.
posted by Pastabagel at 9:48 PM on March 2, 2007


This "woman" removes all doubt, that the "right" in the U.S.of A. are a bunch of Nazi. She and those like her drive the point home , time and time again. They herald our (the US) dark age, like Rome , or Germany before us.
posted by nola at 9:49 PM on March 2, 2007


They herald our (the US) dark age, like Rome , or Germany before us.

They don't have to take us back that far, nola. They'd be satisfied just taking us back to the glorious time before "The Jungle" was published.
posted by interrobang at 9:57 PM on March 2, 2007


And as a result? Romney now appears to be a frontrunner for the Republican nomination.

I disagree on the causal chain, so to speak. Romney is now the number two guy after Giuliani, and with McCain's flameout (absolutely IMO, but I think many would agree). He doesn't need Coulter, so much as he's probably quite happy to have her endorsement. I agree that she's an act, ultimately, but she's an act with consequences. People do listen to her. People do vote based on what she says. I disagree that she's the "right" version of the "left's" Moore or Streisand.

Shorter -- politicians are the worst sort of star-fuckers out there, Dem or Rep. But as obnoxious as you might might find Streisand or Baldwin or whatever, they don't go around calling people "ragheads," "faggots," or advocating the murder of sitting SCOTUS judges. Qualitative difference between what she does and what, say, Michael Moore does.

any major dude writes Ann Coulter would be nothing without liberal outrage.

See, this is the meme that keeps on giving for Coulter and her followers. If we pay attention, we're just silly hysterical libruls. My point, and that of Greenwald and Sullivan, is that Romney, a man who might be our next POTUS, loves her. He said so. So yeah, maybe I should turn off the intertubes once in a while, but she's taken very seriously by a large part of the right. You can't "wish" that away by ignoring her.
posted by bardic at 10:03 PM on March 2, 2007


Oh nos! Omit needless verbs!

I read an article on this once.
posted by longsleeves at 10:10 PM on March 2, 2007


So Romney is now a frontrunner?

This has nothing to do with Ann Coulter, but I'd just love to see a Presidential campaign that came down to Mitt vs. Barack.
posted by Kronoss at 10:11 PM on March 2, 2007


UPI has picked ths story up:
Best-selling right-wing author Ann Coulter, speaking to a conservative audience in Washington Friday, called former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., a "faggot..."

"It turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word 'faggot,' so I'm kind of at an impasse -- I can't really talk about Edwards," she said.

Coulter has previously suggested that other prominent Democrats are gay -- including former Vice President Al Gore, former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton, Editor & Publisher reported. All of them, including Edwards, are married, and Bill Clinton's heterosexual tendencies caused a certain amount of well publicized trouble for him as in the White House.
And as for the right wing blog comment sections, a real division is appearing between the social conservatives and the rest--sample quotes:
I want a government with a smaller, less obtrusive footprint. I want it to build and fix roads, guard against hostile outsiders, stop crime, organize and provide for a reasonable safety net for our weakest citizens. . . basic conservative positions.

I do not want a government that examines and judges my sexual activities, desires, or choice of partners. As long as I'm not hurting someone else in my choices, it is none of government's business with whom, when, and how I have sex, and it's none of YOUR business.

That concept - that it's none of anyone else's business - is an utterly conservative (as opposed to liberal) viewpoint, and would seem to me to be the natural viewpoint of the right, of conservatives, of Republicans....
vs.
"It has little impact on anyone but the gay or lesbian person".

Absolutely untrue. It has everything to do with how our children our educated, how well our children are protected, and how we are allowed to express ourselves. Here in California it is having a huge impact. For example, if recent legislation proposed by a gay legislator passes, teachers will be FORBIDDEN to discuss negative aspects of homosexuality. All textbooks will be required to include sections on gays in history...whether or not they were actually significant contributors to said history. And guess who often marches in gay pride parades in this state-NAMBLA. Why are they there if those marchers don't support their agenda-access to underage boys, OUR CHILDREN? Who is in the forefront of lowering "age of consent" law in multiple countries? It sure isn't the Baptists. It is the gay activists.
There's an emerging back and forth that makes this fascinating. This has real potential to throw a monkeywrench in several campaigns.
posted by y2karl at 10:15 PM on March 2, 2007


I don't see how Romney can't issue a distancing statement over the weekend.

But Republicans continue to surprise me. He might try something like "While Coulter's rhetoric was overly emotional, she is a popular satirist and I appreciate her endorsement." Could work, actually.
posted by bardic at 10:20 PM on March 2, 2007


That concept - that it's none of anyone else's business - is an utterly conservative (as opposed to liberal) viewpoint, and would seem to me to be the natural viewpoint of the right, of conservatives, of Republicans....

These type of sentiments are based on the American myth that there was more personal freedom in the past. Totally clueless as to the types of restrictive laws that once existed in this country. I can only speculate that someone in denial of their own past wrote it.
posted by Brian B. at 10:24 PM on March 2, 2007


"I want you to wreck this."
posted by ColdChef at 10:35 PM on March 2, 2007 [1 favorite]


I don't see how Romney can't issue a distancing statement over the weekend.

They won't lose any votes they haven't already lost. The conservative base in the churches is penniless and angry, and their candidates need to hold their attention with this type of "humor" because gets dangerous when it leaves the playground level where the liberal message is waiting to appeal to their economic condition.
posted by Brian B. at 10:37 PM on March 2, 2007


Dean Barnett on Hugh Hewitt's Townhall group blog, regarding Coulter:
Idiotic. Disgusting. Stupid. Moronic.
And then he gets mean.

Ed Morrissey: "Yeah, that's just what CPAC needs -- an association with homophobia. Nice work, Ann."
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 10:43 PM on March 2, 2007


american woman Says:

My first thought:

American woman!
Stay away from me-he!
American woman!
Mama, let me be-he!
posted by sparkletone at 11:08 PM on March 2, 2007


It's interesting that the "government out of my bedroom" types or rarely the "government off your income" types.

And where are the "you can smoke meth if you want" types?

Coulter is actually more consistent than all the faux-libertarians:

"They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment."

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/051021coulter.php
posted by Gnostic Novelist at 11:10 PM on March 2, 2007


I've spent a ton of time with drag queens - parades, political fundraisers, the odd pageant - and I have to tell ya, not one of them is impressed with Mr. Coulter's fashion sense.
posted by johnj at 11:15 PM on March 2, 2007


Two token conservative bloggers get upset. I think that's a good thing, but also a drop in the bucket. What really matters, as I think y2karl is getting at, is whether or not Giuliani, McCain, and Romney disavow her. They're going to be doing nothing but speaking to the press for the next 18 months. The question will come up, multiple times.
posted by bardic at 11:16 PM on March 2, 2007


At what point can we all just agree that Coulter, Hannity, et al are not going to be engaged or canceled out by rational, reasoned debate and just go take these pieces of shit apart with aluminum baseball bats (they make a very satisfying "PING" when they hit dense flesh) for their part in subverting our republic?
posted by Senor Cardgage at 11:36 PM on March 2, 2007


I've seen the clip, I still don't get the joke she was making.
Really? The joke was:

"FAGGOT!"

That's all there is to it. Don't hurt yourself looking for deeper meaning.
posted by Flunkie at 11:46 PM on March 2, 2007


When the left sticks up for NAMBLA and compares Bush to Hitler its free speech. Ann calls Edwards queer and shes off the rails heading for a trainwreck?
People who say things like this must have such a weak grasp on handling any complexity whatsoever.

They see "The left thinks NAMBLA has the right to free speech".

They see "The left thinks Ann Coulter is a scumball".

They put them together, and shout "CONTRADICTION" at the top of their lungs.

But really, the left thinks that both NAMBLA and Ann Coulter are scumballs who have the right to free speech.

Is this honestly such a difficult concept to grasp?
posted by Flunkie at 11:57 PM on March 2, 2007 [2 favorites]


Coulter has previously advocated terrorism (she said that Tim McVeigh should have parked his truck in front of the New York Times building), and the poisoning of a Supreme Court justice. And there are a couple of other notable quotes I'm forgetting.

Oh, right, she was "only joking".

Ha!

With her wit, I'm waiting for her to make the same joke about Obama, just with "nigger" instead.

She is the kind of person who 40 years ago was doing exactly that.

I don't much care whether it's a schtick or not. Too many mouth-breathers are hooting along with her. She is, quite simply, the most prominent fascist in America today.

According to Time magazine she considers herself a "public intellectual".
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 12:01 AM on March 3, 2007


I think this comment from the the deleted 'roasted bee' thread applies here as well (specifically after reading y2karl's 'american woman' quote):

Why is it that everything I've seen on the internet after watching Idiocracy last night makes it seem more and more like the most poignant film of 2006?
posted by saraswati at 5:25 AM PST on March 2

posted by maryh at 12:24 AM on March 3, 2007


So Edwards turned her down, eh? Lotta women react that way. They're surprised if you actually love your wife and/or won't stick your dick in them just because they ask.

Seriously. He's not an unattractive man. You see barfly chicks like this all the time. Can't get laid, so obviously whomever turns them down is a fag.
posted by Smedleyman at 12:55 AM on March 3, 2007


Edwards is probably the best-looking candidate since JFK, (though candidate is a real stretch), so it makes sense that she would attack his masculinity. It is also pretty funny; Ann has more traditionally masculine characteristics than Edwards (her Adam's apple not withstanding).

And we will never have a president named Mitt. Mitt for God's sake! MITT. Didn't he play the bad car in Knight Rider? Christ! (The "invisible golden tablets inscribed in hieroglyphics that advocate plural marriages" kind of Christ, that is).
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 1:41 AM on March 3, 2007


Edwards is well groomed and TV ready, and as far as I can tell that's exactly the sort of candidate/personality that the Right aspires to. So it's no surprise when thier attack dogs go after a Dem with the very (superficial) attributes they crave for themselves. A TV ready Conservative = real America, but a TV ready Liberal = mendacious Islmo-fascist. Boo! A Dem with good hair! Death taxes and poverty-coddlers with creamy complexions are out to devour your toddlers!
posted by maryh at 2:16 AM on March 3, 2007


It annoys the hell out of me that I have to share a last name with this shrieking harpy.
posted by EarBucket at 2:48 AM on March 3, 2007


Dean Barnett on Hugh Hewitt's Townhall group blog, regarding Coulter

This would be the same Townhall that gives Coulter a weekly platform, right? Bet she brings in more hits than Dean Barnett.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 4:07 AM on March 3, 2007


It annoys the hell out of me that I have to share a last name with this shrieking harpy.

Yikes. If I was in your shoes, I'd change my name to something far less distasteful. Like "Monkeyfucker" or "O'Childrapist."
posted by ColdChef at 4:43 AM on March 3, 2007 [8 favorites]


Maybe this was part of an encoded message she was sending to Al Q'aeda to come attack us again.
posted by psmealey at 5:06 AM on March 3, 2007


"You mean... you changed it to Latrine?"

"Yeah, used to be Shithouse."
posted by the other side at 5:34 AM on March 3, 2007


What really matters... is whether or not Giuliani, McCain, and Romney disavow her.

Exactly. This is not about Coulter, this is about the Republicans who worship and abet her. Remember this?
"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either."
That ruckus wasn't about wizened, half-dead old Strom, that was about Trent Lott. This is about Mitt Romney.

Thanks for the post, bardic.
posted by languagehat at 5:38 AM on March 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


Comedy. Bad comedy, but comedy. And indicative of a certain tolerance for intolerance. That's what America is all about, tolerance for intolerance. And with that, let me say that Ms. Coulter is lame and her shtick tired.
posted by MarshallPoe at 5:56 AM on March 3, 2007


Is there a way she could be persuaded to do a live TV debate with Borat?

They might cancel each other out in a flash of gamma rays, or something.
posted by flabdablet at 6:36 AM on March 3, 2007


Is there a way she could be persuaded to do a live TV debate with Borat?

I was thinking it would be great to see her on Colbert, but she doesn't have the stones for it.

Bill Maher is a big pussy for giving her "equal time" on his shows over the years. Many people continue to defend her with the "she only says what some people believe" line. That may also be true for David Duke, Fred Phelps and Kenneth Eng, but it doesn't make it any less invalid.
posted by psmealey at 6:41 AM on March 3, 2007


There is little I have learned to loathe more in these conversations than the moronic comments about how "Ann's just a comedian" and how "we should just ignore her."

She was one of the keynote speakers at one of the most important conferences for the Republican Party. Sharing the bill with her were the major 2008 candidates, the White House Press Secretary, and the Vice-President of the United States of America. Were there any standard of respectable journalism in this country, all of them would have voice mail this morning from every major news outlet asking for their position on the comments made by the person they shared a stage with.

If she's just a "comedian" then the White House Press Secretary should be asked if he found her act funny. If she "doesn't speak for all conservatives" then we should get an answer as to why she's invited back to this conference every year and onto news channels as one on a repeat basis. Instead, it's hardly even mentioned, continuing the aggravating aspect of media and politics in this country that Republicans can, and will, get away with saying anything while Democrats do the job for them of telling us to just shut up and take it like the bitches we are. Exactly what does it take here? Does she need to actually say "nigger" or call for Edwards to be pistol-whipped and tied to a fence post before you take the hint that she and her compatriots aren't just going away?

If this is really something that we should just "ignore" then seriously, just shut up and stop talking about politics with other people, because you clearly either don't care are are too bored with it to.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:13 AM on March 3, 2007 [5 favorites]


O'Childrapist

Heh. There's a really good two minute sketch about the O'Childrapist family hiding somewhere in there.
posted by Kwine at 7:23 AM on March 3, 2007


I hope she dies of ovarian cancer.
posted by fourcheesemac at 7:31 AM on March 3, 2007


bardic said to zachsmind: "No. Pay attention. She's the biggest..."

Huh? Sorry, what? I noticed something shiny, then wandered over to Wikipedia for awhile and read about model trains. Then I hopped on board City of Heroes for awhile and wasted more of my life there when I should be out getting sun or feeling productive. I'm listening to Puzzling Evidence at the moment.

...What? ARE YOU GUYS STILL TALKING ABOUT ANN COULTER??? See, this is why we can't have nice things. Cut it out. You're only encouraging her insipid behavior! The only reason she still has any venom at all is because WE KEEP GIVING IT TO HER! Turn your back on stupid bitches.

Ooh! Shiny! ...Excuse me, I'm busy not giving venom to stupid bitches. kthxby
posted by ZachsMind at 8:05 AM on March 3, 2007


the moronic comments about how "Ann's just a comedian" and how "we should just ignore her."

Well in the past I recommended paying less attention to her, but I didn't suggest to just throw the head in the sand and pretend nothing was going on. But I now understand it can be seen as an invitation to just go in easy denial of everything , something that is way too easy to NOT be accepted.

Still I can't see how her audience will be reached by any toughtful satire on her, pointing our her shortcomings, as she appears to, afaik, show herself only in controlled situations such as a party of party approved people. She does seem to know how to cover her ass in polemics as well given again her audience.

To make an example, the other day I was listening to Howard Stern and his routine derailed from the usual to a "conversation" with someone pretending to be a born-again-thief offering his help to "heal homosexuals"...that was maybe staged, but Stern quite simply rolled over (with the help of his sidekicks) on the guy with assertions such "cmon get real god is a man made invetion to handle fear" and allegation of the man economic shadowy economic interests in "healing" gays.

Clearly no interesting reasoned _argument_ was built in that exchange, but for practical show purposes and for an adience with short attention spans, that was quite a show.

And without these showbusiness (i guess) aspect of Coulter...she isn't exactly going to command attention. XQUZYPHYR is a democratic faggot already commands more attention then my whole post, FOR some audience.
posted by elpapacito at 8:24 AM on March 3, 2007


This thread is so full of outrage fatigue. "What, a televised incident of a racist, homophobic conservative persona blatantly slandering somebody? Let me know if anything interesting happens."
posted by tehloki at 8:25 AM on March 3, 2007


Thanks for the Gray's explanation. I don't watch the show but I have a vague recollection of some sort of recent scandal. A popular show I take it.

Being made aware of Anne's asshatery and the interesting reactions and dynamics has been quite interesting.
posted by juiceCake at 8:46 AM on March 3, 2007


"moronic comments..."

The only thing moronic going on here, is lending any credence to her bile.
posted by ZachsMind at 8:51 AM on March 3, 2007


I don't want her to get ass-raped.

I don't want her to die of ovarian cancer.

What I want is for her to vomit out that one bit of disgusting bile that will turn her into a pariah forever. What that one-bridge-too-far is, I cannot say at the moment. Possibly the word nigger. Perhaps it will be an unfortunate case of bad timing (such as calling for the death of someone right before they are killed.)

What is troubling for me is the effect of years of limbaughing and coultering has on our divided nation. Not only has "PC" become a bad word (right up there with "liberal" and "feminist") being very anti-PC has now become fashionable and courageous. And money-making.

Yet how do we combat this?

A discussion with my Democrat-turned-Republican mother at Christmas about McCain included my distaste for his "Chelsea Clinton is such a dog because her parents are Hilary and Janet Reno" joke. My mother countered by saying it was just a little joke told among friends. It was at a major Republican fund raising event. (The ever-craven McCain has since apologized.) Why is this so acceptable now? Why are we not allowed to be outraged?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:56 AM on March 3, 2007


What I want is for her to vomit out that one bit of disgusting bile that will turn her into a pariah forever.

It will never happen. She has pushed the envelope so far that virutually nothing she says next will be considered "too outrageous". She'll still have her loyal fan-base of bigots, racists and other haters; decent people will be outraged (but ultimately do nothing); and others will continue to jump up and down yelling at us not to pay any attention to her.

Why is this so acceptable now?

Because our ears and sensibilities have been deadened to it. Because of Ann Coulter, Michael Savage and Michelle Malkin, anything marginally less hateful than the bile they spew sounds almost genteel by comparison.
posted by psmealey at 9:01 AM on March 3, 2007


Hugh Hewitt condemns Coulter.

As to the question of her column on Townhall.com, I asked, and we'll see what kind of response I get, if any.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 9:09 AM on March 3, 2007


Artifice_Eternity opines "According to Time magazine she considers herself a 'public intellectual'."

Well, I consider myself a sex God who's currently dating several supermodels. I can keep thinking it, but it doesn't make it so. I don't think "Coulter" can be associated with "intellectual" without the phrase "depths of depravity" being involved in there somewhere.
posted by clevershark at 9:33 AM on March 3, 2007


Steven C. Den Beste opines "Hugh Hewitt condemns Coulter."

Hey! so there ARE two bloggers on the right who openly disagree with Ann Coulter, as it turns out! It remains to be seen whether they get Zumbo'd.

After all if you want to see what today's Republican party is really about you look at Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage and Malkin.
posted by clevershark at 9:40 AM on March 3, 2007


Well, counting Benzion and Sullivan, I guess that's four bloggers on the right.
posted by clevershark at 9:43 AM on March 3, 2007


I wasn't going to make this a litany of condemnation, but it is more than four. Here's Steve Riehl, for instance.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 9:45 AM on March 3, 2007


What I want is for her to vomit out that one bit of disgusting bile that will turn her into a pariah forever.

"i'm voting for hillary in 2008"
posted by pyramid termite at 9:53 AM on March 3, 2007


Democrats were not the only denouncing Ms. Coulter. “The comments were wildly inappropriate,” said Brian Jones, a spokesman for Senator John McCain, a Republican candidate for president who did not attend.

Kevin Madden, a spokesman for Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, said: “It was an offensive remark. Governor Romney believes all people should be treated with dignity and respect.
Fallout Over Coulter's Anti-Gay RemarkAdam Nagourney of The New York Times weighs in after the fact--online only, thus far--and two candidates are quoted on the controversy.

Various right wing blogs disavow her, others pooh pooh her remarks and then circle the wagons. The real meat and potatoes remain in the comments--where such are allowed--where opinion is sharply divided.
posted by y2karl at 9:59 AM on March 3, 2007


Flip Romney:

I was for abortion before I was against it.

I was for gay rights before I was against them.

I was for stem cell reserach before I was against it.

I was for gun control before I was against it.

I was for Ann Coulter before I was against her.
posted by ericb at 10:12 AM on March 3, 2007


That would be *research*.
posted by ericb at 10:17 AM on March 3, 2007


Check out memeorandum.com for a roundup of blog chatter on this subject.
posted by ericb at 10:26 AM on March 3, 2007


Steven Weber: My Date with Ann.
posted by ericb at 10:32 AM on March 3, 2007


Okay. I'm as far to the left as it gets and I think Ann Coulter's a cheer leader for fascists. But when I hear that she called Edwards a faggot, my reaction is... I just don't care. I really, really don't. Thousands of people have called Coulter a bitch and that didn't bother me either. In fact, I recently heard a really great song called "Coulter's Snatch" (scroll down) in which Hamell On Trial says things like

I think Ann Coulter’s got a cunt that stinks

and

Rush Limbaugh likes to suck pig dick
swine penis for Rush will do the trick
Everybody knows Rumsfeld forces sex with tots
God bless the First Amendment, I’d be sued for libel
George W Bush masturbates to the bible
And Condoleezza likes eating pussy a lot


Sure, Hamell is trying to make a point about the quality of political debate while Ann just wanted to get a cheap laugh, but still, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Besides, Coulter's yap isn't (as far as I know) responsible for getting anyone killed. I figure there are higher priorities.
posted by Clay201 at 11:17 AM on March 3, 2007


Okay. I'm as far to the left as it gets and I think Ann Coulter's a cheer leader for fascists. But when I hear that she called Edwards a faggot, my reaction is... I just don't care.

It's not about Coulter. It's about the Republicans who accept and applaud her. Fred the alky bum on the corner can say outrageous shit too, and it's not a story, but if Mitt Romney applauded him and said he was proud to be associated with him, then it would be a story. Is that so hard to understand?
posted by languagehat at 11:43 AM on March 3, 2007


So she's saying Edwards is kindling to her?

Wouldn't think she'd admit that.
posted by lysdexic at 11:45 AM on March 3, 2007


I'm always surprised that more people don't come out and analyze her comments in the context of repression. It's not like she can claim she's being picked on. If Andrew Sullivan says that she represents the new right, then I trust his instincts, because it is obviously a magnet for those with so-called latency issues. Apparently she gets on stage and repressed men loudly call out for her phone number, and then everyone goes home happy.

It is predictable that this young, new right will focus on demonizing or punishing the self-disturbing images in their own heads. Everyone who's ever went out of their way to persecute homosexuals was tipping their hand to their own attractions in a very obvious way, fighting the urge inside. Even when they are educated enough to know better, their minds repress even the self-knowledge of their own projection. Asserting that people choose one way or another simply speaks for their own struggle with the daily "choice" to be straight.

I suppose it means that they are somewhat in-between, because if they were definitively one way or the other, they wouldn't be angry and confused about the issue.
posted by Brian B. at 11:46 AM on March 3, 2007


As to the question of her column on Townhall.com, I asked, and we'll see what kind of response I get, if any.

After saying:

I cannot imagine Coulter being invited to any panel or television appearance on which I would want to appear.

I can't see how he can possibly keep her on his site and be morally consistent.

BTW, thanks for checking on this stuff, Steven. It's neat to get the poop on what the right thinks about Coulter from someone who really knows where to look.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 11:50 AM on March 3, 2007


Christ, what a faggy joke. "Dur, they'll put me in rehab." What lame-ass topical humor.
posted by Snyder at 11:55 AM on March 3, 2007


The thread at Red State which followed immediately on her speech is interesting... a lot of negative reaction there, too. This does seem to have had a polarizing effect.

Romney's not a serious contender, is he?

And while I'm here, I too loathe Coulter with every fibre of my being, and yet I am also sick of the "she's ugly", "she's hawt", "she's really a man" schtick. it's the same old misogynist slurs aimed at any woman in public life, and it doesn't advance debate in any way.
posted by jokeefe at 11:56 AM on March 3, 2007 [4 favorites]


She's got quite the sex obsession...

According to Time magazine she considers herself a "pubic intellectual".

/FTFY
posted by lysdexic at 12:06 PM on March 3, 2007


Romney's not a serious contender, is he?

He's as serious as any of the GOP candidates; they've all got crippling problems as national candidates, which makes me feel all warm and happy, until I remember that the obvious remedy is for the President to cause another national security crisis that will get everyone to rally 'round the flag.

I too loathe Coulter with every fibre of my being, and yet I am also sick of the "she's ugly", "she's hawt", "she's really a man" schtick. it's the same old misogynist slurs aimed at any woman in public life, and it doesn't advance debate in any way.

Absolutely agreed.
posted by languagehat at 12:09 PM on March 3, 2007


Romney's not a serious contender, is he?

I think being LDS is a worse liability in terms of so-called "electibility" than being either a woman or not white. I really don't think the nation, especially the right's base is ready. There are significant numbers of people who still think "Mormon=cultist" and won't vote for Romney. Given the pool at the moment (and it's MARCH OF 2007 for fuck's sake), it's down to McCain and Guliani. And neither of them are terribly strong candidates for the base, especially if Rudy sticks to his somewhat socially moderate guns and the "too old" label sticks to McCain. I'm not sure we've seen the Republican candidate yet.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 12:10 PM on March 3, 2007


Man, I don't know why I'm still here, but I've got to comment on this:

...it's the same old misogynist slurs aimed at any woman in public life, and it doesn't advance debate in any way.

Maybe so, maybe no. She's a misogynist herself, along with her patron saint, Phillys Schlafly (too lazy to look up the spelling)

Usually the misogynistic slurs are aimed at women who have actual power and have had to demonstrate it to the (usually) men subordinate to them. Or whom they've bested in some contest.

Has anyone accused Laura Bush of being a man/bitch/freak? She's in public life, right? Does she have any actual power? No. Nancy Pelosi, on the other hand....
posted by lysdexic at 12:13 PM on March 3, 2007


And neither of them are terribly strong candidates for the base

Conservatives look for a winning hand -- "Lack of candidate to rally around has key GOP constituency feeling glum."
posted by ericb at 12:15 PM on March 3, 2007


Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification on Romney-- I've read about him, but didn't yet have much of a sense of how he was perceived in America.
posted by jokeefe at 12:15 PM on March 3, 2007


There are significant numbers of people who still think "Mormon=cultist" and won't vote for Romney.

Mormonism is a cult, or else cult's don't exist. Mormons also believe in cults, excluding their own from the list, however.
posted by Brian B. at 12:21 PM on March 3, 2007


Usually the misogynistic slurs are aimed at women who have actual power [....] Has anyone accused Laura Bush of being a man/bitch/freak?

One might argue that Laura Bush has been spared the invective aimed at, for example, Hillary Clinton or Rosalynn Carter, precisely because her role in public life is carefully presented as one in which she has no power except through through her role as Wife to the President. I can't recall a single thing she's ever said, so in a sense she is not a woman in public life, not in terms of being engaged with it.

I don't see how we disagree, actually. Laura Bush doesn't get smeared because she knows her place. That actually kind of underlines my point.
posted by jokeefe at 12:22 PM on March 3, 2007


Romney has the connections/ties to raise a boatload of money in what is likely to be the first $1 billion presidential race. That being said, many have questions regarding him on the national stage. Here in Massachusetts he was a "fly-by" one-term governor -- in 2006 he was out-of-state for 212 days. He is truly the definition of opportunist, as he has traveled the country often making Massachusetts the 'butt of his jokes.'
posted by ericb at 12:25 PM on March 3, 2007


I don't see how we disagree, actually. Laura Bush doesn't get smeared because she knows her place. That actually kind of underlines my point.

:) I wish I could find a link to the "Balls" chapter in "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe", because we'd sure agree on that point.

Where I'm coming from is that Coulter is a misogynist, and that's where people get the idea to call her a man.

At least I hope so. Her writings, such as they are, really surprised me with the undercurrent of anti-womanism. She's not anti-feminist, she's anti-woman. Describing men "crying like little girls" and people running scared "like women with a mouse in the room"....(ok, I made that last one up, but only because I'll be damned if I'm going to actually look up another example).
posted by lysdexic at 12:30 PM on March 3, 2007


Usually the misogynistic slurs are aimed at women who have actual power

The usual attacks on women with perceived power come in two forms:
1) Rape jokes (see the above comments)
2) She must really be a man jokes (see the above comments)

I find this especially interesting in view of the fact that Coulter herself is coming under attack by joking about someone's sexuality.

Human beings never get tired of sniggering about sex.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 12:31 PM on March 3, 2007


Where I'm coming from is that Coulter is a misogynist, and that's where people get the idea to call her a man.

I never said she wasn't a misogynist. But much as she may wish to (and this gets a bit complicated, because she adheres to a rigid standard of femininity in her appearance, which adds a frission of excitement for her fanbase) she can't escape her gender. So she's subject to the same attacks, her own misogyny notwithstanding.

But I agree with LH here: this isn't about Coulter. It's about her reception at the conference, about her endorsement being well-received by a candidate, and what this says about the audience at an extremely high-profile and important political gathering.
posted by jokeefe at 12:38 PM on March 3, 2007


But I agree with LH here: this isn't about Coulter. It's about her reception at the conference, about her endorsement being well-received by a candidate, and what this says about the audience at an extremely high-profile and important political gathering.

I'll buy that.

I think it was two years ago, maybe three, that the CPAC conference was described as the Storm Troopers of the Right. Coulter was of course, a hit, and had the implicit and explicit approval of the administration (I think "Senior Administration Official" Cheney was there). What's new now is that maybe, maybe the mainstream people are picking up on the notion that these people are nuts, and they're in power.

I gotta go to work, or I'd have done more thorough work on this post.
posted by lysdexic at 12:45 PM on March 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


Ann Coulter, You're No Sister Souljah.
posted by ericb at 12:50 PM on March 3, 2007


JoKeefe said, "this isn't about Coulter. It's about her reception at the conference, about her endorsement being well-received by a candidate, and what this says about the audience at an extremely high-profile and important political gathering."

It means they're all right-wing republicans. This is news? Hypocrites praise Coulter. Film at eleven.

Why are we still wasting breath on this hateful, venomous, bile-spewing, fascist cunt?

NEXT!!!!!!!!
posted by ZachsMind at 12:55 PM on March 3, 2007


Your comment there is the epitome of hateful, venomous, bile-spewing. Way to go, champ.
posted by y2karl at 1:06 PM on March 3, 2007


Just for fun I did a quick little analysis of the arguments of the pro-Coulter comments on Hot Air and Townhall. I wade into the muck so you don't have to!

1. She only speaks the truth/what we are all thinking.

2. She wasn't make a fag joke, she was making an anti-PC joke.

3. The left/liberals/Democrats have said/written so much worse.

4. God hates homosexuals and so should we all.

5. Ann is a hero who should be supported no matter what.

6. The left/liberals/Democrats love homosexuals so this should not be a considered a slur.

7. Free speech applies to everyone including Ann.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:12 PM on March 3, 2007


A Cunt Loner is an anagram for Ann Coulter, though, so maybe he was referencing that.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:15 PM on March 3, 2007 [3 favorites]


I used the worst word in the english language I could find to describe her. I make no apologies. We are still virtually exhaling carbon dioxide and inhaling oxygen better utilized to talk about anything but this cunt.

Are there no Anna Nicole Smith jokes we could be burping convulsively right about now? Even that would serve a higher purpose than this.
posted by ZachsMind at 1:19 PM on March 3, 2007


I used the worst word in the english language I could find

Cockholster?
posted by psmealey at 1:21 PM on March 3, 2007


It means they're all right-wing republicans. This is news? Hypocrites praise Coulter. Film at eleven.

Dude. The Vice-President was there. The White House spokesperson was there. On the same stage. With people who are running to become the Republican nominee. For President. They are not just right wing Republican hypocrites. They are people who have real power: policy-making, war-starting, power.

Why are we still wasting breath on this hateful, venomous, bile-spewing, fascist cunt? [...] used the worst word in the english language I could find to describe her. I make no apologies.

Speaking as someone who has one, come on. The worst word in the English language? Let's try to think of cunts as nice things, and refuse to dignify Coulter with such a term. My cunt thanks you.
posted by jokeefe at 2:31 PM on March 3, 2007 [2 favorites]


Peter Suderman, in NRO Corner:
Ann Coulter’s CPAC remark about Edwards was despicable—completely out of bounds for civil political discourse. Like Kathryn said, it’s not surprising coming from Coulter, but that doesn’t make it any more tolerable.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 2:35 PM on March 3, 2007


Seems the conservatives are ditching Coulter like they ditched Bush after the election. It's getting quite amusing.
posted by clevershark at 3:12 PM on March 3, 2007


Stephen, you can keep citing the clucks of disapproval, but it doesn't erase the fact that Coulter is a rock star for a reason. That reason is she says a lot of things that movement conservatives think, but don't have the cojones to actually come out with.

I would like to see Paul Krugman or some other liberal columnist write an entire piece consisting of nothing more than paraphrases of what Coulter has said or written over the years. If only Timothy McVeigh had detonated his payload outside Fox News studios; maybe advocating the murder of a few conservative supreme court justices, or calling Sam Brownback a faggot.

Conservatives would howl about the incivility, of course. The only real question is how many of them actually have Coulter books on their bookshelcves.
posted by kgasmart at 3:20 PM on March 3, 2007


Well, I for one, love Ann Coulter. She's like an industrial-strength hate barometer. We should super glue her to the top of a van and drive her around the country so we can map out the storm clouds of the coming cultural armageddon. It would be like Twister, only she'd be like some bizarre mutated brundelfly of Helen Hunt, Bill pullman, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jami Gertz, and an F-5.

Mutters distractedly to herself:

"That was a good size insult. What was it, an F3? Solid F2. See, now you've lost me again. It's the FuckYourWifePlease scale. It measures a joke's intensity by how much it bites. Bites? Provokes. That one we encountered back there was a strong F2, possibly an F3. Maybe we'll see some 4's. That would be sweet! 4 is good. 4 will relocate your career very efficently. Is there an F5?" [brief silence] "What would that be like? The Middle Finger of God. Anybody ever seen an F5? ...Just one that I know of." [Looks west, indicating Michael Richards]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:43 PM on March 3, 2007


... This shit doesn't happen in a void. Like the sexualization and objectification of women in the media being psychologically damaging to girls, the constant drumbeat of negative stereotypes and exploitative hatred issued by the GOP and social/religious conservative leaders is dangerous for members of the LGBT community. And the hatemongers' faux-naïveté at the reality that you can't continually put a target on someone's back but expect no one to shoot at it is growing really goddamned old. The hate-the-gays schtick isn't just infuriating and spiteful and wrong; it's irresponsible. There's a paralyzed 72-year-old man and a severely injured 21-year-old woman this week because someone, somewhere, communicated to their attackers the message that gays are not equal, transmitted fear and hatred and claimed they were moral and good.
posted by amberglow at 3:50 PM on March 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


Seems the conservatives are ditching Coulter like they ditched Bush after the election. It's getting quite amusing.

They're not ditching her at all--they depend on her to make the rest of them look normal and tolerant by comparison. (And Malkin's not quite ready to move up into her place, tho not from lack of trying nor lack of bigtime media fawning.)
posted by amberglow at 3:59 PM on March 3, 2007


For Ann Coulter is a predator. A predator with a hungry asshole.
...
I ejaculated with what seemed like enough force to blow out the back of her head--but her head was made of stronger stuff.
...
‘Hey.’
‘Yes?’ I asked.
‘Thanks for not staring at my adam’s apple.’
‘No problem.’


I read that "blog" every couple months, just keep myself grounded.
posted by dozo at 4:09 PM on March 3, 2007


Why does this thread taste like a nine volt battery?
posted by loquacious at 4:16 PM on March 3, 2007


yeah, the Man Coulter jokes really irk me, too. Judging her based on her looks is exactly what is wrong with her popularity to start with - that she wants to be judged on that, and that people love her for that (& the sad thing is, she is going to lose her popularity no matter what because she is going to get old, and that will simply kill her appeal for most fans).
To my eye she is not beautiful so much as conventionally and outwardly attractive, which is to say, she wears heels and skirts and does the long blond hair thing, which are all markers of sex appeal, & send a certain signal. So long as you are within a normal range of looks, if you do long blond hair & skirts & cleavage etc, some portion of men will be turned on. I think part of the turn on could be precisely that she is obviously doing it for them.

also, defending her by saying it's just a joke never made sense to me. Her message is not a joke. She is not Borat or Colbert, playing a satirical role. Her jokes are specifically meant to be funny because they're making fun of people who like faggots, or whatever. It's not that she doesn't mean the things she says (though it seems quite likely to me that she doesn't really "mean" any of it because she doesn't even really think about what any of it means or doesn't mean, but just enjoys being the center of attention and making lots of money, so spews crap without any interest in trying to connect the dots, understand the repercussions, or build a coherent picture). She just says them in ways that have a punchline.
posted by mdn at 4:22 PM on March 3, 2007


It's not about Coulter. It's about the Republicans who accept and applaud her. Fred the alky bum on the corner can say outrageous shit too, and it's not a story, but if Mitt Romney applauded him and said he was proud to be associated with him, then it would be a story. Is that so hard to understand?

For me, yeah, it is hard to understand.

I don't care about "republicans who accept and applaud her," ... for the same reasons I don't care about Coulter's lame joke; it's just not an important subject. As for Mitt himself,... I care whether, if elected, he'd bomb Iran or torture people in Cuba, but I don't care if he listens to Pat Robertson and jerks off to Rush Limbaugh in his spare time. If I needed the latter bits of info in order to reach conclusions on the former questions, that would be different. But I don't. If he were a homeless alcoholic named Fred, I'd feel the same way.

Also, I don't buy the idea that you can judge the character of someone you've never met in person (let alone cast a vote based on this alleged character) and I think that any discussion of the small and petty stuff like this serves mostly to distract from discussions of important topics.

Don't get me wrong; I completely agree that making fun of Coulter can be fun. The Steven Weber article was well done and funny and I already mentioned the Hamell on Trial song. I just try not to confuse fun with the important stuff.
posted by Clay201 at 4:46 PM on March 3, 2007


Ellizabeth Edwards: ... We are all sick and tired of anyone supporting or applauding or introducing hate words into the national dialogue, tired of people thinking that words that cause others pain are fair game. And we are sick and tired of people like Miss Coulter thinking that her use of loaded words about the homosexual community in this country is remotely humorous or appropriate. ...
posted by amberglow at 4:56 PM on March 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


Wow. Go Mrs. Edwards. Swing back, and hard, always when dealing with these fascists.
posted by bardic at 5:18 PM on March 3, 2007


Two quick thoughts -- Dan Savage's theory is that homophobia is really just misdirected misogyny. I kind of saw his point, but seeing Coulter in action pretty much proves him correct IMO. Second, this puts Edwards back on the political map after the flood of Obama and Clinton noise. With tthe moral highground, natch.

As for token Republicans wringing their hands over this, I call bullshit. Sure, a few of them have a conscience, but as others have pointed out, saying Coulter "went to far" really just provides cover for the Malkins and Hannitys. I mean, Sean Hannity has a weekly segment on his show entitled "Enemy of the State." Have to run, but SCDB, while I realize there are some on your end of the spectrum who genuinely condemn bigotry, there are far, far too many who embrace it, one-hundred percent, not just because they are bigots, but because it's an effective strategy meant to divide and conquer Americans. With us or against us, fag or straight, librul or conservative, etc. Democrats do the same thing, but not nearly as often or as well.
posted by bardic at 5:24 PM on March 3, 2007


it's just interesting to note that the attacks on her always seem to revolve around her actually being a guy.

I said "vestigial testicles."

And my attacks on her revolve around her actually being a HUMAN BEING.

If you're simply incapable of ignoring the moron, at least find some way of expressing your contempt that's interesting, different, and doesn't make you sound like a twelve year old. I mean, there's a hell of a lot more there to work with.

Wow. That didn't take you long to turn against "one of your own", huh? you had to let us all know how much your above it all.

Yup. Interesting to note the usual "above it all" finger wagers descend to say "ignore her" in a thread where they are not taking their own loft advise.

And then THEY go waaay out of their way to insult fellow MeFites with who they claim to share supposed principles and outrage.

As for not interesting? Maybe to you, Professor Boring. But this is where I point out this 12 year olds' joke was favorited 10 times. So. IN YOUR FACE!
posted by tkchrist at 8:24 PM on March 3, 2007


I am confused. Who is this Coulter fellow again? He's running for president or something, right?
posted by infinitywaltz at 9:57 PM on March 3, 2007


10 favorites for one of the ugliest and most misogynistic comments ever made on the blue. The few, the proud, the brave applaud a comment far more vile than any Coulter comment on record. You have met the enemy and you are her--squared and cubed.
posted by y2karl at 10:00 PM on March 3, 2007


y2karl.

Oh jeezus.

If anything I was insulting Atomic Mutants you idiot. Not Transsexuals or hermaphrodites or women or whatever you over-sensitive morons think.

Did you READ my insult-joke. And YES it was an insult. It was inteded to be insulting to an insulting prick and or cunt. Coulter HIDES behind her "woman-i-ness" it is her shield.

But oddly that is not what I was attacking. I was attacking her HUMANITY. She has no gender or sexuality to attack. Humans have those things.

I included these elements to maybe cue you in:

1) BIRTH DEFECT

2) Vestigial Testicles

3. And an Anus in the mouth.

Now forgive me if you know of a gender reassignment surgery, or woman, in which those are fucking present elements?

If anybody should be offended it would be the cast of genetic freaks from"The Hills Have Eyes."

Seems you have had an anus transplanted in your god damned brain if you think that was misogynistic.

I have met the enemy and they is us, indeed.

"10 of the worst comment ever made on the blue." Jesus. Give me a fucking break or take it to MeTa you child.
posted by tkchrist at 10:27 PM on March 3, 2007


Ms. Coulter, asked for a reaction to the Republican criticism, said in an e-mail message: 'C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.' 1

vs.


If anything I was insulting Atomic Mutants you idiot. Not Transsexuals or hermaphrodites or women or whatever you over-sensitive morons think.

Did you READ my insult-joke. And YES it was an insult. It was inteded to be insulting to an insulting prick and or cunt. Coulter HIDES behind her "woman-i-ness" it is her shield.

But oddly that is not what I was attacking. I was attacking her HUMANITY. She has no gender or sexuality to attack. Humans have those things.2
I have met the enemy and they is us, indeed.

Indeed. Birds of a feather. Separated at Birth.
posted by y2karl at 11:18 PM on March 3, 2007


It's a good thing tkchrist doesn't have a following of millions.
Slander against the Atomic Mutants like that could lead to incitement of violence.

Of course, he could just say that it was all a joke, and that he would never insult Atomic Mutants by comparing them to Ann Coulter, and everything would be OK, right?
posted by Balisong at 11:25 PM on March 3, 2007


Nah, even if Coulter was gorgeous, she's be ugly.

I dated a girl in college who had physically a great deal going for her. My suit mate was a black guy who I was pretty close to (grew up not too far away from me). I bring her back to the room one night and he's playing video games on my bed and I shoo him out and get ready to put the old tie on the door handle and she won't sit in the bed 'cause he's been on it. Asked me how I could stand living that close to "one of them."

Yeah.
Relationship went south pretty fast after that. She just didn't look the same. And that's not touchy-feeley "see with your heart" stuff. I've been so horny I've gouged out a hole in a salami and screwed that. But hey, I wasn't going to stick my dick in that.
posted by Smedleyman at 12:23 AM on March 4, 2007 [3 favorites]


tkchrist: Just because I consider folks here too smart to stoop to the tranny thing doesn't translate into 'turning on my own'. The wounded "Wi' me or agin' me!" routine you're pulling is proof positive that whatever you are ain't mine and never will be. I have no problem with irreverence, but the transexual thing is fucking tired and insulting. Your dissembling, self-righteous act looks mighty familiar, though. Sure you haven't been to the Omni Shoreham Hotel in the last few days?
Seems like it'd be your kind of crowd.

you had to let us all know how much your above it all.
Yup. Interesting to note the usual "above it all" finger wagers descend to say "ignore her" in a thread where they are not taking their own loft advise.


I enjoy reading good takedowns of Coulter, rather than see a predictable round of low hanging fruit picking that contributed to the previous unofficial moratorium on CoulterFilter. This thread has had some good shit in it - thanks for the Lizzie Edwards quote, amberglow - not counting your favorite whoring (Wow, a whole ten?!? 47390890 more, and you win a Hyundai!) and inexplicable freak-out because a few bad apples obviously don't share your sincere, deep felt commitment to the Left.
You know, bad apples like y2karl - never was sure about where that guy stood.

Balisong: I'm guessing drunk or high or in need of some sleep. Responding to the guy is ultimately pointless, but to see him pull a foot stomping hissy fit just because we took the shine off his mighty triumph over the Right end with "...take it to MeTa you fucking child." was too good to pass up.

(On preview, my dorky Coulter anagram was favorited! Sweet! Now I can hold my head high and fight the good, true fight alongside tkchristamIfullofmyself!)
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:31 AM on March 4, 2007


Blaisong I am worse than Ann Coulter. y2karl said so. WORSE.

See y2karl said: "... far more vile than any Coulter comment on record. You have met the enemy and you are her--squared and cubed"

Squared AND cubed. That like... wait... carry the three... add the two and... well... I can't to the math but thats like waaaay worse than Ann Coulter.

Worse than Coulter; Who said that Muslims should be slaughtered, their women raped and/or forced to convert to Christianity; THAT Ann Coulter; Who said that the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse happened because a woman was in charge. Imagine that? Lil ol me?

I never realized the power I wielded.

And apparently I am not only worse than Ann Coulter I am an identical twin. Yet though identical— I'm STILL worse (because of my irrational hatred of the so often oppressed class of Atomic mutants in this country).

There is sort of a crazed poetic inverted medieval circular logic to it all.

I can only conclude that y2karl is high —OR— is himself an Atomic Mutant with an overactive anus excreting into his brain trying to foll us with this double bluff gambit. Which would explain why he didn't attack Ann Himself but rather ME. Nor did he MeTa me as being worse than Ann Coulter as it would expose his mouth/brain anus mutant-ness. Very clever.

With my squared-and-cubed-Coulter powers I am sworn to wipe out all of his kind!

Pssst. y2karl. You know who else was worse than Ann Coulter? Hitler. That's who. Hitler. Who also had a tiny misshapen vagina, vestigial Testicles and an anus in his mouth.
posted by tkchrist at 12:37 AM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


...but the transexual thing is fucking tired and insulting

It was MEANT to be insulting. What about the anus in the mouth thing? I thought that gave it a little original zing.

Sure you haven't been to the Omni Shoreham Hotel in the last few days? Seems like it'd be your kind of crowd.

Yes. It was a hoot. Hannity asked about you and your wifes anus mouth.
posted by tkchrist at 12:44 AM on March 4, 2007


tkchrist, what an asshole.
posted by Hat Maui at 1:33 AM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


tkchrist, what an asshole.

That's "anus mouth." There is a slight but important difference.
posted by tkchrist at 1:52 AM on March 4, 2007


Does she need to actually say "nigger"

that's her 2008 stunt, XQUZ. you just wait.
posted by matteo at 7:44 AM on March 4, 2007


Smedleyman: Did you eat the salami afterwards?
posted by languagehat at 9:00 AM on March 4, 2007


It makes a bit of a sad statement that a right-wing provocateur should, without even knowing much about this particular forum (probably), have caused so much venom and insult to be thrown from one MeFite to another when they don't even disagree about said provocateur.

To those asking for "a return to civility in politics" -- good luck with that. Methinks one may as well ask pigs to grow wings. There is no civility in politics, just a semblance thereof. That's why people like Limbaugh and Malkin and Coulter exist in the first place -- to say things so outrageously offensive that the goalposts of civilized discourse are moved further and further out, so that assholes like Hannity and Snow and Hume can then move further into extremist territory while seeming reasonable in comparison. The only thing to do is to adapt to the game, otherwise you go into the ring with one hand tied behind your back. It's all good and fine to say that "we're better than they are" but without power that's pretty much empty talk and patting oneself on the back. It's like returning a serve in tennis: you don't "get points" for doing it in a pretty way. You keep the point alive by returning that serve by any means necessary.
posted by clevershark at 9:49 AM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


...when they don't even disagree about said provocateur.

Debatable.
posted by Brian B. at 10:43 AM on March 4, 2007


CNN: Romney's campaign has condemned Coulter for her comments. So has McCain's campaign.

Coulter's response:
But the New York Times reported that she responded, in an e-mail, "C'mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean."
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 11:24 AM on March 4, 2007


Newt Blames The Victims of Katrina
posted by homunculus at 12:37 PM on March 4, 2007


CPAC 2007: The Unauthorized Documentary
posted by homunculus at 12:51 PM on March 4, 2007


that video is perfect--they couldn't even find a Black Republican to be at the Black Republican booth? unbelievable.

Rudy in Coulter Land-
Giuliani auditions for archconservatives.

Ann Coulter does not like Rudy Giuliani. ...


Coulterland=GOP
She really is mainstream for them.
posted by amberglow at 1:24 PM on March 4, 2007


Little Miss Id--...As a matter of public record, Ms. Coulter has called for the assassinations of both a sitting president and Supreme Court justice. She wished in print that Timothy McVeigh could have blown up the New York Times instead of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. But now, a coy joke about being unable to talk about John Edwards without using the word “faggot”, and Republican presidential candidates are feeling the need to distance themselves from her.

What’s the matter? Are they faggots?

Seriously, why has it taken until now to have any person of consequence on the right wing denounce this woman? ...

posted by amberglow at 4:28 PM on March 4, 2007


Classy bitch you got there. No wonder she can't find a boyfriend.

The problem is not Coulter because there will always be Coulters. Does anyone remember Morton Downey, Jr's WOR show out of New York back in the 80's? He was Coulter before the media had a place for that, so he had to create his own, and that boxed him in. Coulter is not so limited.

Downey's show was the brainchild of MTV founder Bob Pittman.

Pittman also "advised" Rush Limbaugh- back when Rush was a failing, apolitical radio DJ.

Coulter is another nobody who found fame & fortune doing "right-wing schtick".

None of these people actually believe the crap they are spewing. They are simply doing it for the money.

It's an act. Just think "professional wrestling", only in suits and ties. That's all that is.
posted by wfc123 at 4:42 PM on March 4, 2007


Bill Maher is a big pussy for giving her "equal time" on his shows over the years.

I don't know if the word 'pussy' is accurate in any sense. Maher seems to want to stick to his guns (in this case, freedom of speech), even when he's shooting himself in the foot with them. I think the weed tends to dull his analytic powers a little.

Ann Coulter is basically a political-schtick Andrew Dice Clay, as far as I can tell. She's deliberately appalling, of course, but the only deeply disturbing thing, as others have mentioned, is that there are political 'leaders' who are publicly willing to preen in the baleful reflection of her toxic fame.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:10 PM on March 4, 2007


If fact, I think I will henceforth refer to her as Anndrew Dice Coulter.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:10 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


He's back too, stav, unfortunately.

Ann Coulter has Boratted the Republicans--...And now all the major Republican candidates are forced to do something that doesn't sit well with their base: denounce homophobia. The phrase "family values" just doesn't have as much zip if you can't let your constituents hear it as coded fag bashing. ...
posted by amberglow at 5:46 PM on March 4, 2007


I wish there were a Coulterfilter. I would install it immediately, and it would presumably preserve me from having to hear anything else about Coulter ever again.
posted by ikkyu2 at 6:12 PM on March 4, 2007


This Modern World: Conservative Humor
posted by amberglow at 6:24 PM on March 4, 2007


Giuliani has now condemned Coulter.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 7:42 PM on March 4, 2007


Oh come on now, she's already said she was just joking. Why don't the Dems (and the rest of humanity) get a sense of humor?

amberglow, I actually saw a few minutes of his show. Dude looks old and mellowed. The grey temples and chops didn't help.
posted by fenriq at 11:20 PM on March 4, 2007


i won't even watch him--repulsive.

While Coulter talks shit (and it's really been the only media mention of us since the GOP/religious right closet burst open with Foley/Haggard), even Cuba gets ahead of us on equal rights--pathetic.
posted by amberglow at 1:24 AM on March 5, 2007


Max Blumenthal of The Nation videoblogs CPAC.
posted by bardic at 4:45 AM on March 5, 2007


Gah. Homonculous beat me to it. Apologies.
posted by bardic at 4:46 AM on March 5, 2007


Fenriq, for the love of tkchrist, you can't be that dense, can you? "she's already said she was just joking"?!?

Ann Coulter is a rotten, vapid [word we use in our house that's worse than 'cunt'] with the ethical capacities of a fieldmouse. Artifice_Eternity nearly owed me for an ER bill after I read: According to Time magazine she considers herself a "public intellectual.

She can't even back up her own specious bile with footnotes (or endnotes, for that matter, see Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them if you don't get that reference) -- and she's a known plagiarist. God, if you sang her bullshit to music you could probably get the RIAA involved somehow for pirating other peoples' thoughts.

If she wants to call John Edwards (who I'm no fan of at the moment thanks to his blogger-firing antics and anti-gay-marriage stance) a faggot in Bob Guccione's living room -- whee! Go Ann Coulter. Free speech yourself out, princess. Have fun. But at a major Republican convention? Tasteless, inappropriate and not at all funny. Also, proof that the right doesn't have a goddamn clue about the sort of public policy that might drag our country out of its present nosedive. They're too busy making gay jokes about their opponents. Grow up, assholes.

[Also, a preemptive apology to Fenriq for saying you're dense. See? The left knows how to apologize after venting their spleens. Something Coulter and her minions don't know how to do and never will].
posted by bitter-girl.com at 6:34 AM on March 5, 2007


“Did you eat the salami afterwards?”

Nah, I was never in a frat, so...
Actually that was when I was a kid. I threw it out. My mom spent a week wondering what the hell happened to it.
A girlfriend of mine got a penis shaped chocolate dildo...y’know, for ‘the sex’... and we had fun with it. Afterward I was craving some chocolate...she cut it up and I still wouldn’t touch it. (I’m top of the scale hetero on the kinsey scale. No slight to homosexuals of course. I suspect I have more empathy because of it “Ah, repelled like me, but with girls - got it”)

And I’m well on board with all the folks calling “Kayfabe” on Coulter.
(IMHO a word far too little used).

I thought Edwards came off fairly classy in response (in short ‘ignore her’).

It’s pretty obvious Coulter was joking. What’s at issue is whether that kind of levity should be available as mainstream discourse.
I was not ‘shocked’ f’rinstance at Janet Jackson’s boob at the superbowl Nor did Prince’s little display bother me at all. What does bother me, and what I do have to explain to my kids is the insipid manner in which these things are handled.
“You see son, a breast is a mammary gland which feeds infants. It’s also been sexualized over the years...” I’d go into the ancient Greek roots of sexualizing the breast as well as the somewhat more recent French social fashion “...and so people are titilated (no pun intended) at the sight of breasts.”
“Ok...well why are they trying to shock people, but pretending it’s an accident, while other people pretend they know something and those other people try to pretend it’s innocent?”
“Well...err...”
“And why is it illegal if the human body is beautiful? Aren’t people just making money perpetuating the hypocracy?”
And that’s when I’d have to break it to my kid that there are SOOO many assholes in the world. And I don’t want him to feel that depth of dispair at that young an age.

Similarly, Coulter’s little joke asserts that because Edwards is good looking and well dressed he is effeminate. I don’t see it. Of course, I haven’t seen much of Edwards. But he looks like any other rich sharp lawyer to me.
Unless it’s not a joke and she’s actually trying to insinuate he is gay. Or both.
Even if that’s not the case at all, she’s also asserting that the term “faggot” is not used because of political correctness. And that it should be alright to use the term not only against homosexuals, but against any individual with which one disagrees.
Well, I don’t use it for the same basic reason I don’t use other terms like “nigger.”
Basic mental hygiene and efficient and clear communication.
It’s good to mean what one says and be certain others know what one means. Therefore use of agreed upon terms and avoidance of ambiguous or inflammatory terms (unless directly meant).
I would not, for example, imply that I would like to call George Bush a motherfucker but I cannot because of some sort of social restrictions on myself.
I’d simply call him one. Which I will now affirm is what I meant. I disagree with his policies, but he is also a motherfucker. It is a common enough term such that people know I don’t actually mean Bush had an incestuous relationship, but that I hold a great deal of contempt for the man. If someone misunderstood that, I would not say I was joking I would say I meant “motherfucker” in the commonly used term. The Samuel L. Jackson sense of the word.
Faggot does not have the same connotations. ‘Fag’ perhaps. Metrosexual maybe.
But saying one is joking does not negate any of the meaning implicit in the statement.

Now there’s nothing wrong (other than what I’ve said) with calling someone a faggot and meaning it. Or clarifying the statement to say ‘faggot’ was meant in the effeminate, ineffectual, impotent, pansy sense, not the strictly speaking homosexual sense. The addition of the PC restriction makes it clear she’s tying the two together - affected pansy and homosexual - (as well as the social trend to go into rehab as baseless affectation).

But, like Janet Jackson, she’s a hypocrite opportunist for trying to have it both ways. A social mercenary with the morals of a carnival barker or phony patriotism of a flag waving pro-wresting character. And of course, for disavowing her own statement, trying to play it off as a ‘joke’ - something she didn’t really mean, she’s a coward as well. Because even as a joke the meaning is clear.

And she’s a motherfucker.
posted by Smedleyman at 5:59 PM on March 5, 2007


Similarly, Coulter’s little joke asserts that because Edwards is good looking and well dressed he is effeminate.

Not all "fags/faggots/buttfuckers/hersheyhighwaymen/etc." are "effeminate." I don't think you meant it to be read that way, did you?
posted by ericb at 6:03 PM on March 5, 2007


And allow me to be perfectly clear on this point - she’s a coward because she’s trying to dodge the repercussions of what she said. Joke or not.
You walk up to me in a bar much less say on national television “I was going to have a few comments on that guy on metafilter - Smedleyman, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot’ –so..” - those are fighting words.
And that’s what this comes down to. Misperception of power.
There are plenty of muscled up leather dudes on Halsted street in downtown Chicago that will tear up someone looking for trouble down there. And some of those guys don’t take too kindly to that kind of joking. Seen a lot of drunken idiots - sports fans, college kids, what have you - wander into that area, say something off color “hey, these guys are all fags!” or something and they have to have their asses hauled out of the neighborhood.
This is analogous. Ok. It’s a joke. It won’t stop someone who’s offended by it from taking your head off.
In this case it’d be metaphorically but Coulter realized enough people who carried enough juice were offended enough and she backed off.
If it was truly funny she wouldn’t have had to apologize, and if it was on principle - if she had any guts - she wouldn’t have backed off.
Coward.
posted by Smedleyman at 6:18 PM on March 5, 2007


Faggot does not have the same connotations. ‘Fag’ perhaps.

Now there’s nothing wrong (other than what I’ve said) with calling someone a faggot and meaning it.


Oh, I have to differ. The use of either term is often considered "hate speech."

I recall the hatred and vitriol aimed at me and my friends when a car drove past us a few years ago while we were walking along the road heading to the entrance to Laguna Beach when a carful of guys yeeled "Get the fuck outta here faggots"... or when later in the day in the parking lot of a restaurant when we hugged each other good-bye (as one carload of us was traveling back to L.A. that evening after having had a wonderful dinner) a "fine-standing-gentleman-of the -community" came up to us and said "Fucking faggots, there's no place for a display like that. Gett outta here."

BTW -- Laguna Beach has a significant gay community and is a desination for many. I walked away from Orange County with a bad taste in my mouth.
posted by ericb at 6:19 PM on March 5, 2007


“I don't think you meant it to be read that way, did you?”
posted by ericb

Nope. Merely that she linked the two - and (wrongly but purposefully) reinforced that stereotype. And I’ve trained some homosexual men. It has no bearing on physical or mental ability. It always comes down to the individual. So that ‘ineffectual’ stereotype is bunk as well.
posted by Smedleyman at 6:25 PM on March 5, 2007


“’Now there’s nothing wrong (other than what I’ve said) with calling someone a faggot and meaning it.’”
Oh, I have to differ.”

ericb - I’m not languagehat, man. I can’t parse the whole meaning of words and sentences into a nice mathematical sort of form that makes sense. ‘Fag’ seems to be used more by young kids and apparently has lost most of it’s former meaning (and in England means something else entirely). But that’s speculation on my part.
You’re correct. It’s hate speech. While I have some problems with hate speech restricting first amendment rights (whole other issue) what I mean to say is there’s nothing wrong with calling someone - any given word including say ‘nigger’ - so long as you accept ownership of it.
Not to imply the actual use of - any given term - is actually just fine by me as long as you said ‘hey, I said that’.
But that, if you said it - it’s what you said. And you cannot say it, and also not say it.
You can’t get away with saying it by trying to recontextualize it in this winking - mean it but don’t - manner.

I very much doubt that “fine-standing-gentleman-of the -community” would say something like that before a large crowd. He would likely lose his standing. Which is also what I’m alluding to. This kind of speech is meant to be private or put within certain confines - e.g. a joke. And that’s how it’s supposed to work.
But y’know, we don’t tell Polish jokes or other off-color kinds of jokes at work/in public/etc. anymore.
And indeed if this fine upstanding guy said it (as I’ve mentioned) before the wrong crowd, he might lose some teeth. I suspect if he said it in front of me and my cousins he’d lose a lot more than that (we’re not gay, we’re old country, we kiss on the lips).


Which, I think, is the thing. People say stuff like that and when someone gets offended they try to play it off. And even if it is a joke, if it pisses someone off and you take an ass kicking - well, there you go.
We can all agree nazi skinheads aren’t nice folks. If I say to a large group of nazi skinheads “Fucking nazis, there's no place for a display like that. Gett outta here.” - I’m going to get the hell beaten out of me...well, not me, but y’know someone like me but less well armed and ruthless.
There’s actual repercussions to reckon with in any case and that’s what she’s trying to avoid. The actual issue of right and wrong here aside.

In those terms I come down on the side of defend to the death her right to say it, but NOT that it’s perfectly alright to say. Which I should have made more clear.

(And I concede to hate speech laws in that certain groups are marginalized and without power thus they need that protection. People used to be able to get away with saying “nigger” everywhere because many black people had very little recourse to justice so there were little repercussions. And the law, with some exceptions, seems to have been used fairly judiciously, so I can’t really complain. There does need to be that component of repercussion, not merely the fact that it’s an inappropriate or hurtful or hateful thing to say. And those laws do seem to serve that function. But again - tough balance for me with the 1st amendment.)

In this case, perhaps she should be sued. Legal equivalent of taking a beating and sends a message.
posted by Smedleyman at 7:02 PM on March 5, 2007


Hopefully that’s clear.
posted by Smedleyman at 7:07 PM on March 5, 2007


Coulter: Faggot "isn't offensive to gays" -- It's just a "schoolyard taunt."
posted by ericb at 7:30 PM on March 5, 2007


‘Fag’ seems to be used more by young kids and apparently has lost most of it’s former meaning (and in England means something else entirely). But that’s speculation on my part.

Yes -- and -- no.

That's so gay! -- "Ready or not, America is bringing back an old playground insult -- for the sheer fun of it."

In recent news -- Is saying 'that's so gay' hate speech?
posted by ericb at 7:33 PM on March 5, 2007


what I mean to say is there’s nothing wrong with calling someone - any given word including say ‘nigger’ - so long as you accept ownership of it. Not to imply the actual use of - any given term - is actually just fine by me as long as you said ‘hey, I said that’. But that, if you said it - it’s what you said. And you cannot say it, and also not say it. You can’t get away with saying it by trying to recontextualize it in this winking - mean it but don’t - manner.

Okay. I get your point. Thanks for the clarification.
posted by ericb at 7:35 PM on March 5, 2007


smedley--it's part of a larger pattern of Republicans feminizing Democrats--they're weak, effeminate, won't protect you, hippies, fags, bad on defense and security, etc.

She's made the same exact slurs against Gore, Kerry, Mrs. Kerry, Hillary, and Bill. And so have most if not all of the GOP talking dogs.

What's most weird is that it turns out the GOP really does have more gay people in position of power--they're just all closeted. The audience, if they think at all, had to be aware of it.

And that's part of a larger pattern--a Rove strategy--to attack from where you're most weak (like what they did to Kerry's military service). So if you're opponent is a military hero and your guy ran away from even simple service--attack his record with lies. If your opponents are all straight and some of your people are notorious closetcases and got caught--attack the opposite side's sexuality and orientation.
posted by amberglow at 7:48 PM on March 5, 2007


They're saying that the recent US Attorney purge was part of that too--some of them wouldn't go after Democrats for corruption during the giant and ongoing GOP DeLay/Ney/Abramoff thing, when they were desperately looking to say "look, they're corrupt. it's not us!"
posted by amberglow at 7:50 PM on March 5, 2007


It's also why Democrats are accused of not supporting the troops all the time--the GOP knows they certainly have not been doing that for years.
posted by amberglow at 7:51 PM on March 5, 2007


Oh, one more thing--the accusations (always lies) always get the most media attention and are seen and absorbed by most people--any response or rebut or truth never is.
posted by amberglow at 7:53 PM on March 5, 2007


Frontline: Karl Rove--The Architect--- On the lesbian whisper campaign and surrogate attacks against Richards in 94, and McCain in 2000: ...
It was a message that swept East Texas, a message that many people in that community, a largely Baptist community, felt that Ann Richards had embraced lesbians and homosexuals in a way that they did not accept; that she had appointed them to boards and commissions, as she had, in the governor's office; that she had, in fact, had them around on her campaign staff, and the intimation was that she herself, even though she was a divorced woman with four children, might be a lesbian. Very effective campaign.
Rove himself was extraordinarily careful, in all my conversations with him and in conversations with others in the media, to make sure that he was not directly tied to that orchestrated campaign. What we know is that the campaign was orchestrated and very, very effective. Everywhere you went people were talking about it. Phone calls were made. Bush supporters and Bush surrogates were talking about it in a very effective way. In no case could I ever find anyone who said, "Karl Rove told me to do this." But in every case, what I found was a duplication of the exact pattern of every Rove race: that Rove's opponent is attacked, often by a surrogate or anonymous group, whisper campaigns, direct mail pieces or other kinds of personal attacks, in a way that Rove can't be directly seen with his fingerprints, but that Rove's candidate benefits from. It's a pattern not just once or twice, but I've seen it throughout the last two decades.
What you saw on some doorsteps was this flyer of a photograph where John McCain was shaking the hands of a member of the Log Cabin republicans. There were gay Republicans, a group that, even though they are gay and opposed to a more inclusive attitude about the Republican Party on gay rights issues, nevertheless was political dynamite in a place like South Carolina. …
The gay issue -- Karl has used it for more than a decade in a very effective way. And there's something of an hypocrisy, it seems to me, because many of the people who are Republican operatives, who are helping implement this exact attack on the issue of gay rights, are themselves gay.


And on Kerry: ...Very early on, Karl Rove did something that many other political operatives don't do, and it's really an element of why he's a unique figure in American political life: He understands that while other people look for the weakness in an opponent and exploit that, Rove has long looked at the strength of an opponent. In the case of Ann Richards running for governor, it was that she was tolerant and appealed to many constituents, so you attack her as an advocate for the homosexuals' agenda. In the case of John McCain, it was that he was a POW in Vietnam, and so you raise questions about his service in Vietnam through surrogate groups.
In 2004, the number one thing that John Kerry offered was his heroic service in Vietnam, and so what Rove did was attack the strength of Kerry, not his weakness. What you had to do was confront Kerry's strength in Vietnam by raising doubts about whether or not he was a hero and whether or not his service was really all that noble. And you do that in part with a surrogate group, raising questions about whether his medals were truly warranted, and beyond that, pressing the case of John Kerry, who came back from the war as an opponent of the war. ...

posted by amberglow at 8:03 PM on March 5, 2007


It shows they are really afraid of Edwards--Limbaugh and Coulter and many of the others have attacked him as a "Breck Girl" and "effeminate" for a long time now--they know he's attractive and appealing and has charisma.
posted by amberglow at 8:05 PM on March 5, 2007


(of course, all this is dependent on a media that never fact-checks, but runs with every slur, and runs big)
posted by amberglow at 8:08 PM on March 5, 2007


Coulter knows her role by heart in the movement: ... Ann Coulter appeared tonight on Fox News (she canceled her CNN appearance). Fox News host Alan Colmes repeatedly pointed out that some conservatives have reacted to her Edwards remark with calls to shun her from the movement.
Coulter shrugged it off disdainfully, and insisted that conservatives will continue to embrace her. “This is the same thing we go through every six months. I say something, the same people become hysterical, and that’s the end of it. I mean I think the lesson young right-wingers ought to draw from this is: it’s really not that scary to attack liberals.”...

posted by amberglow at 8:14 PM on March 5, 2007


Words have multiple levels of meaning. The philosopher Bernard Williams suggested we speak of "thick" concepts when a word has an objective referent and a subjective connotation regarding the referent. "Faggot" is a thick concept in this sense: objectively the referent is "gay male" but the judgment about the gay male is absolutely part of the word as well. You can claim to retake words, try to alter their connotations, and this has been done to some level of success in some communities, with words like queer, dyke, perhaps nigga or fag... but some words are still very sharp & raw, and the process of retaking words cannot but start with those to whom they refer, and may never go further. Nigger, faggot, kike, and other supremely offensive terms, cannot be thrown around by total outsiders with total abandon, without repercussions. Ann Coulter has absolutely no place using those words - would anyone here defend her for using one of the other two I listed? (To be clear, though I would think it obvious, but people get very confused by free speech, saying she has "no place" absolutely does not connote that she should be legally reprimanded for it. But she should certainly be socially and politically reprimanded for it.)

To say it was "just a joke" implies it was funny. the set-up of the joke, such as it was, was that she could obliquely call someone a term intended as derogatory & emasculating, by referencing the fact that people would make a fuss if she were to actually call him by that term.
The offending claims were basically :
John Edwards has effeminate characteristics;
Effeminate men have sex with other men;
Men who have sex with other men should be ashamed;
People who think it's inappropriate to shame them should shut up.
Whatever it means to suggest it was a joke, those claims are inseparable from the comment. Does anyone who says "it was a joke" think that these meanings were not inherent to the statement? Is there another way to interpret the joke? JOkes often serve as commentary, so shouldn't be read at face value, but I'm reading this as the joke-level meaning (the face value meaning is "I'm not going to say the offensive thing I just said"). Saying someone shouldn't be offended because "it was a joke" should mean that the point was misunderstood, not that the point just doesn't count.
posted by mdn at 8:38 PM on March 5, 2007


Companies to pull ads from Coulter's Web site--At least three major companies want their ads pulled from Ann Coulter's Web site, following customer complaints about the right-wing commentator referring to Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards as a "faggot."

Verizon, Sallie Mae and Georgia-based NetBank each said they didn't know their ads were on AnnCoulter.com until they received the complaints. ...

posted by amberglow at 8:56 PM on March 5, 2007


Once again Ms. Coulter proves you can't be too thin or too bitch.
posted by pax digita at 10:59 PM on March 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


very interesting thing from mahablog: ... Coulter’s been spewing the same spew for years. What she said at CPAC was actually rather mild by Coulter standards. But as I wrote here, her problem is not that she has changed, but that the movement that supported her has changed. They are having to work harder at persuading themselves that they are morally superior to the Left, and lately this effort has taken the form of pretending they are more genteel of speech than we are.

Thus, the Coulter we have all known all these years is off-message. ...

posted by amberglow at 11:25 PM on March 5, 2007


her problem is not that she has changed, but that the movement that supported her has changed.

Well, not because they did a lot of hand-wringing and soul-searching. They've changed because they got "thumped" in November.

And that's fine. I'm not going to worry about de-programming College Republican fan-boy/troglodytes.

But in terms of sheer numbers, Americans across the political spectrum don't like this president. And they don't approve of this war. There are no more potential "bounces" for Bush. Relative success in Iraq now means empowering the pro-Iranian Shia. Bombing Iran means lots of and lots American deaths at the hands of pro-Iranian Shia. And 8 dollar/gallon gasoline, which actually hits closer to home for an oil-rich Texan and the Halliburton posse.

And btw, not only was Edwards classy in slapping Coulter down, but now he's fund-raising off of her slur. Which is brilliant in two ways 1) he won't allow himself to be "swiftboated," and 2) he's going to keep her and her hate visible because it's part and parcel of movement conservatives.
posted by bardic at 4:01 AM on March 6, 2007


George Will on Coulter (he introduced Giuliani, btw).

Fine George. You're a smart guy, never lacking some piece of historical citation, but why can't we talk about Coulter? She was one of the biggest draws at the biggest conservative annual event, at which the VPOTUS spoke? Sure, she wasn't there -- not like a bunch of yahoos clapped for her slur.

Coulter is basically the shit-stain that Reagan Republicans (libertarian-leaning, small govnerment, John Stuart Mill types) can no longer disavow. She stinks up the room, at all times, but you "professional, well-mannered" pundits invited her into the freakin' room. You don't get to have it both ways.
posted by bardic at 4:08 AM on March 6, 2007


Atlas Shrugged perpetuates and deepens the slurs against Edwards

and she's not "joking".
posted by amberglow at 4:24 AM on March 6, 2007


I think it's time to look into Romney's closet.
posted by amberglow at 4:30 AM on March 6, 2007


“it's part of a larger pattern of Republicans feminizing Democrats--they're weak, effeminate, won't protect you, hippies, fags, bad on defense and security, etc.”

Agreed (plus your later analysis). Funny, Greenwald seems to be citing similar conclusions. Lot’sa people seeing the same thing.
They do go after that whole “effeminate” thing. It’s been the schtick for some time. I think, and given the reaction, that society has changed - evolved - enough such that it’s no longer acceptable. It’s about time. Injustice to any group anywhere threatens the rights of all minorities everywhere.
posted by Smedleyman at 9:57 AM on March 6, 2007


“I think it's time to look into Romney's closet.”

Although I do think playing “gotcha” with folk’s sexual orientations is somewhat self-defeating. I mean, certainly if someone is a homosexual and advocating against gay marriage etc. etc. that individual is a hypocrite. But if there is nothing wrong with being gay, there shouldn’t be a down side to being ‘outed.’ It appears that being outed is some sort of scandalous thing and it’s being perpetuated by this. And indeed, in certain quarters it is scandalous.
But I’d think stressing the typical healthy regular sort of homosexual folks would be more advantageous. I mean, by definition, someone in the closet advocating against their own position is a coward. (I do see the reasons for just being closeted - not sure I agree with them, but I’ve never walked in those shoes so I can’t say). Tough road.
posted by Smedleyman at 10:45 AM on March 6, 2007


I mention Romney because it totally fits, and Coulter being the one to hit Edwards while endorsing Romney fits their pattern as well.

The GOP has closet cases--Mary Cheney, and the estranged children of the religious right are the only ones who are out.
posted by amberglow at 11:11 AM on March 6, 2007


Ugh, from Amberglow's link:I didn't know that people were actually allowed to write "ginormous" when not quoting from the movie Elf?This is exactly how the GOP slime machine works. Some lowlife like Coulter makes some spurious claim about you, and then some other cretin comes along and says, "you must disprove it if it's not true!" This shouldn't surprise anyone.

Despite the "distancing" the GOP is now doing, just as after the "kill their leaders, convert them to Christianity" episode, she'll be back to claim her rightful seat at the table. She does the work that few else in the party will do, and she does it well, you have to give her that.

Btw, didn't she call Al Gore a "fag" just last year? Yes. She did. Another Coulterism for the memory hole.
posted by psmealey at 11:28 AM on March 6, 2007


The Lancaster New Era has halted publication of Ann Coulter's syndicated column...
posted by amberglow at 11:48 AM on March 6, 2007


Meet Cpl. Matt Sanchez (CPAC featured veteran attendee, Fox News favorite, Military Reservist, Gay porn star and escort, etc)
posted by amberglow at 12:06 PM on March 6, 2007


Newspaper Drops Coulter Column.
posted by ericb at 1:35 PM on March 6, 2007


AT&T pulls ads from Ann Coulter's Web site
"Many of our ad placements -- particularly on the Internet -- are secured in bulk with placements made by third-party buyers with a goal of trying to reach the broadest audiences possible. We ask our media buyers to avoid sites that might generally be seen as offensive or polarizing to the public, which appears to be the case with this political Web site. Our ads have been withdrawn."
posted by ericb at 2:17 PM on March 6, 2007


“I mention Romney because it totally fits,”

Ah. Too arch for me, sir.
I don’t think Romney has a chance in hell.
Shame that the kids become political footballs. I can’t imagine if one of my kids came to me “Dad, I’m gay.” What do I say? “Well, I support YOU son, but not the ‘homosexual agenda.’” What crap.
posted by Smedleyman at 3:24 PM on March 6, 2007


... For his supposed courage in the face of liberal cruelty, Cpl. Sanchez was presented with the Jeanne Kirpatrick Academic Freedom Award at this year's CPAC. Sanchez was the perfect vehicle for the conservative movement's ongoing attempt to wrap itself in the uniform, and to heap resentment on liberals for their supposed anti-military bias.
Soon, Sanchez was rubbing shoulders with the likes of Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin. Malkin posted a shot of herself beside the corporal on her blog. Sanchez was clad in full military regalia and Malkin wore a big smile. But Malkin is not smiling anymore. Like so many of Sanchez's boosters, she was mugged by reality.
As several gay blogs revealed late yesterday, Corporal Sanchez was known during his halcyon days as Rod Majors, a majorly well-endowed gay porn star. (Photos of Corp. Sanchez aka Rod Majors in action can be viewed here. I warn you, this link is NOT to be clicked on if you have minors around or if you're in a crowded workplace). According to Tom Bacchus, Sanchez was also a $200-an-hour male prostitute who advertised himself (here) as an "excellent top." ...

posted by amberglow at 4:57 AM on March 7, 2007


Oh, that Cpl. Matthew "Dirty" Sanchez. Is there nothing he won't do for money?
posted by psmealey at 5:11 AM on March 7, 2007


2nd paper drops Coulter

With contact info for the HRC campaign to target the UPS and the other papers--Stop Ann Coulter's Politics of Hate
posted by amberglow at 6:41 AM on March 7, 2007


Conservative Bloggers Send Letter to CPAC/ACU: The Age of Ann is Over
"Denouncing Coulter is not enough....CPAC sponsors, the Age of Ann has passed. We, the undersigned, request that CPAC speaking invitations no longer be extended to Ann Coulter. Her words and attitude simply do too much damage."
posted by ericb at 8:33 AM on March 7, 2007


In related news -- FOX host suggests that gays have lisps.
posted by ericb at 8:38 AM on March 7, 2007


that's appalling, eric--they should be fined or something.
posted by amberglow at 9:49 AM on March 7, 2007


Really. Who says "Homies," anymore?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:52 AM on March 7, 2007


now it's 3 papers that have dropped her (and none of them are in blue areas, i don't think) She's in about 100 papers nationwide.
posted by amberglow at 2:11 PM on March 7, 2007


UPS Refuses to Drop Coulter
Statement from Universal Press Syndicate, which syndicates Ann Coulter’s column:
“[Coulter] is not an employee and we have no legal power to ‘fire’ her, though, of course, any of her subscribing newspapers can drop her column at any time. Whether the words she chose in referring to John Edwards were misplaced humor or outright bigotry, we would not have distributed them in her column.”
posted by ericb at 2:27 PM on March 7, 2007


I had never heard about what she did to Lydia Cornell (of Too Close For Comfort, and now a big radio liberal)-- ... Instead of ignoring Cornell's column, Coulter responded by publishing a childish tirade -- and by printing Lydia's personal contact information, including her phone number, on her own page. ...

posted by amberglow at 3:47 PM on March 7, 2007


(semi-related, actually--and funny--youtube) : >
posted by amberglow at 4:08 PM on March 7, 2007


I am shocked, shocked I tell you. Jim Bullock is gay? No friggin' way!
posted by ericb at 4:27 PM on March 7, 2007


More from Ann (Attention Whore) Coulter.
"On the heels of her well publicized John Edwards quip -- that both seem to be taking advantage of, there’s more Ann Coulter shock-and-awe. At a conference in Ft. Lauderdale over the weekend at the Center for Reclaiming America, which is connected to TV preacher James Kennedy’s Coral Ridge Ministries, Coulter reiterated her John Edwards description, and, according to Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said the following:
Earlier in her remarks, Coulter noted that seven doctors and clinic personnel had been killed, saying, ‘Those few abortionists were shot, or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure with a rifle performed on them. I'm not justifying it, but I do understand how it happened....The number of deaths attributed to Roe v. Wade - about 40 million aborted babies and seven abortion clinic workers; 40 million to seven is also a pretty good measure of how the political debate is going.’
A birdie on the scene told us that after the f-word remark about Johnny Boy, the hundreds of conservatives who filled the church to the brim, gasped in shock. Moments later, she bid her adieu."*
posted by ericb at 5:44 PM on March 7, 2007


Ok, seeing those pictures of Lydia Cornell just brought back a rush of boyhood fantasies long forgotten.

What were we talking about again?
posted by psmealey at 5:47 PM on March 7, 2007


Ok, seeing those pictures of Lydia Cornell just brought back a rush of boyhood fantasies long forgotten.

And i was thinking Monroe got kinda hot. : >
posted by amberglow at 5:49 PM on March 7, 2007


The president of the Universal Press Syndicate is under mounting pressure to stop distributing Coulter's columns.
posted by ericb at 7:02 PM on March 8, 2007


and now it's either 5 or 6 papers that have dropped her

Email and other contact info for other papers that carry her here
posted by amberglow at 5:11 AM on March 9, 2007


Have the members of your organization become so lazy that they just don't go out and murder liberals anymore? Fear not. For the low, low price of $25,001-$50,000, Ann Coulter will deliver a rousing performance full of hate speech and justifications for violent political crimes. ...
posted by amberglow at 5:17 AM on March 9, 2007


Two More Papers Drop Ann Coulter: They Explain Why.
posted by ericb at 11:13 AM on March 9, 2007


Michelle Malkin Uses Controversy Over Right-Wing Ex-Pornstar To Excuse Ann Coulter

Context -- Cpl. Matt Sanchez (as per amberglow's posts above) ... more ...

Matt Sanchez -- Jeff Gannon Redux
"U.S. Marine reservist Matt Sanchez was given an Academic Freedom Award at last week’s Conservative Political Action Conference, where Ann Coulter hurled her 'faggot' slur against Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards. Sanchez, who attends Columbia University, also recently appeared on conservative talk shows where he criticized 'radical anti-military students' he met during campus recruiting. Reports have since surfaced that Sanchez has allegedly worked as a gay porn star [and prostitute], prompting silence from his (now former) right-wing cheerleaders and charges of hypocrisy lobbed at Sanchez by gay bloggers."
Photo: Matt Sanchez with Ann Coulter
posted by ericb at 11:24 AM on March 9, 2007


Alan Colmes Ties GOP Marine Hero, Prostitute, Porn Star in Knots [with audio interview].
posted by ericb at 7:37 AM on March 10, 2007


and now it's 8 papers that have dropped her so far (and read the note from one of them about the response).
posted by amberglow at 3:04 PM on March 12, 2007


Eliminationism in America: Appendix
posted by homunculus at 1:17 AM on March 14, 2007


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