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	<title>Comments on: Conrad Gessner&apos;s Historiae Animalium</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:17:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Conrad Gessner&apos;s Historiae Animalium</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://archive.nlm.nih.gov/proj/ttp/flash/gesner/gesner.html"&gt;A virtual copy of Historiae Animalium,&lt;/a&gt; the first pictorial catalogue of the animal world (lots of pretty pictures, but the text is all in latin). It was compiled in the 16th century by the Swiss naturalist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.austmus.gov.au/research_library/author.htm&quot;&gt;Conrad Gessner&lt;/a&gt;, who is considered the father of zoology (and, incidentally, also the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kaapeli.fi/~fla/frbr05/HavuGesner1208052005.doc&quot;&gt;father of bibliography&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;[Word Document]&lt;/small&gt;).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:07:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kattullus</dc:creator>		<category>ConradGesner</category>		<category>ConradGessner</category>		<category>Gesner</category>		<category>zoology</category>		<category>Ge&#xdf;ner</category>		<category>KonradGe&#xdf;ner</category>		<category>bibliography</category>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612024</link>	
		<description>The technology used here is &quot;Turning the Pages&quot; which was developed by The British Library and is now being licensed to libraries around the world - we should start seeing a flood of old books come online in this format over the next couple years. Here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=jT0lao0PPNQ&quot;&gt;video&lt;/a&gt; about it. Apparently Windows Vista will make it even better, but not sure how.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:17:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: misteraitch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612038</link>	
		<description>Cool! thanks Kattullus: I see they also have Ambroise Par&#233;&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.nlm.nih.gov/proj/ttp/flash/pare/pare.html&quot;&gt;Ouevres&lt;/a&gt; perusable in the same format. Slightly confusingly, &apos;Ambroise Par&#233;&apos;s Ouevres&apos; is also the title on the Gessner page.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:30:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: boo_radley</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612053</link>	
		<description>This is exceptionally good, thank you. I really enjoyed the fantastical animal illustrations.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:41:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ND&#xa2;</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612060</link>	
		<description>I loved both the interface and the unicorn. Thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:47:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: grapefruitmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612070</link>	
		<description>Where&apos;s the website for people what thinks de Quadripedibus is scary?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:57:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: serazin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612071</link>	
		<description>Excellent. This kind of interface feels so much more accessible than other ebook formats. Until us dinosaur book-readers die out, I imagine this will be a major way for people to read books on their computers.

The book itself is fantastic as well. And thanks for the context on who he was.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:57:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: serazin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612072</link>	
		<description>Having said that, the site seems to get &apos;stuck&apos; a lot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:58:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brundlefly</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612077</link>	
		<description>This is awesome.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:04:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brundlefly</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612079</link>	
		<description>The elephant is bizarre.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:06:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612080</link>	
		<description>If you don&apos;t happen to have Vista (or XP with SP2 and .NET3) this &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2007/01/30/great-wpf-applications-1-british-library-turning-the-pages.aspx&quot;&gt;Microsoft blog post&lt;/a&gt; gives some idea what the interface could look like. Stuff like the page weight and material collapsing on itself in a realistic manner, textured surfaces, light glinting off gold leaf, etc..</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:08:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: carter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612096</link>	
		<description>Nice, thanks Kattallus!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:26:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: steef</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612105</link>	
		<description>Good post. Here&apos;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.turningthepages.com&quot;&gt;Turning the Pages&amp;trade;&lt;/a&gt; site.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:31:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: OmieWise</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612111</link>	
		<description>Nice.  Is there any way to capture images with this interface?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:44:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: janell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612113</link>	
		<description>Why is the rhino wearing clothes? 

Nice post, btw.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:46:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kattullus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612126</link>	
		<description>The standard explanation, janell, comes from Rudyard Kipling&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/rhino.htm&quot;&gt;How the Rhinoceros Got His Skin&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:54:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612166</link>	
		<description>Fantastic site and post&amp;mdash;thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:23:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chinese Jet Pilot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612189</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s fascinating how the creatures of the unexplored sea are much more fanciful than those on the land (except maybe for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6385071.stm&quot;&gt;sea serpent&lt;/a&gt;?).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:43:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sicem07</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612196</link>	
		<description>Fantastic interface.  Am I the only one who felt like I was playing Myst?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:52:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bonehead</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612197</link>	
		<description>Use note: If you click on the &quot;T&quot; on the upper left, you get a short english summary of each set of pages.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:54:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peacay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612269</link>	
		<description>OmieWise: &lt;strong&gt;&apos;control-PrintScreen&apos;&lt;/strong&gt; takes a screen capture; then paste into an image program.

Or you could simply go to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.humi.keio.ac.jp/treasures/nature/Gesner-web/contents_b.html&quot;&gt;Keio University site&lt;/a&gt; which have (I think) larger jpeg images of the Gesner book, if the gimmickry of flash TTP is, as it is for me, annoying, unnecessary, restrictive and a general resources hog with little in the way of compensation (simulation of pages turning is a manifestation of life I can imagine without having to see it reproduced online: it is a redundant feature). I believe all that energy could be put to better use by serving up larger images or hosting more books. 

And yes, I know the counterarguments and yes, I have my own selfserving interest in a way (which also translates as extensive user experience), but it&apos;s a presentation style that should not be encouraged IMHO: I don&apos;t believe adding some flash sparkle to an illumination in a manuscript is even necessary if large image files are available (or as a bandwidth alternative, sections of high resolution images). If you look at sites like Oxford University&apos;s medieval manuscripts, it shows what internet technology really has to offer -- you can see such clarity and detail of stroke pressure and thickness of paints and inks that you can understand how the pages were made and by how many hands etc --- you can&apos;t see this detail sitting in the room with the manuscript unless you have some magnifying device.

I&apos;m just saying...

Thanks for the post Kattullus. Love Gesner.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:38:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peacay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612287</link>	
		<description>Oh, I beg your pardon - NLM have large jpeg images (&apos;gallery of images&apos;) available for each of the TTP book from &lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.nlm.nih.gov/proj/ttp/books.htm&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;. In which case I withdraw any implied slur against NLM - having both types of media available is commendable.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:55:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kuujjuarapik</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612382</link>	
		<description>Anno    M.    D.    LI. 

This is the coolest thing I&apos;ve seen in a while. Thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:16:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LarryC</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612430</link>	
		<description>Fantastic post--you rock.

&lt;em&gt;Nice. Is there any way to capture images with this interface?&lt;/em&gt;

Omie, that was my first thought as well.  I started going through a whole print-to-PDF work around, then realized that there is an &lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.nlm.nih.gov/proj/ttp/Gesnergallery.htm&quot;&gt;image gallery for each book&lt;/a&gt;. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/historicalanatomies/Images/1200_pixels/beaver_28.jpg&quot;&gt;scary old Latin beaver&lt;/a&gt; will be gracing my next lecture on the fur trade.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:03:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: janell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612663</link>	
		<description>Thanks for the explanation about the rhino&apos;s skin, Kattullus. Gave me a few a chuckles.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:36:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612743</link>	
		<description>This is great.  Thanks, Kattullus.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:21:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BlackLeotardFront</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612805</link>	
		<description>Great, wish I could get my hands on a hard copy.

Anybody remember that book that&apos;s kind of like this but the animals are totally fake and the writing is like gibberish?  It got posted here a couple.... years ago.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:00:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aeschenkarnos</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612840</link>	
		<description>BlackLeotardFront, I&apos;m not sure what book you&apos;re thinking of, but the description could fit the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voynich.nu/&quot;&gt;Voynich Manuscript&lt;/a&gt; or the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.io.com/~iareth/codindx.html&quot;&gt;Codex Seraphinianus&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:39:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: OmieWise</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1612887</link>	
		<description>Ah, thanks for the links to the image galleries.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:10:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BlackLeotardFront</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/59218/Conrad-Gessners-Historiae-Animalium#1615124</link>	
		<description>bullseye, aeschenkarnos, it was the Codex Seraphinianus.  Thanks a lot!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:22:00 -0800</pubDate>
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