Comments on: Prayer Requests at a Mennonite Church

Prayer Requests at a Mennonite Church

The Light Fantastic — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:51:29 -0800

"Pray for the Hartzler family. Their youngest has left the church and no longer believes that Christ died for her sins. She buys clothes at the mall. Tongue pierced, nose as well. Her shirt shows her belly where a ring of gold sprouts. We pray she will remember that her Lord's side was pierced, that His crown held no gold, only the dried blood of His brow."

Shamash thinks the prayer request in this poem might be written for her. Despite her start in a Mennonite family, she is now an "international traveller living and teaching in Asia."

By: These Premises Are Alarmed

These Premises Are Alarmed — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:09:31 -0800

How cool! that poem stood out when I heard it on the Writer's Almanac (Child only half-formed: head turned the wrong way; heart laid on the outside of her chest; one leg little more than an afterthought.) Of course I could listen to Mr Keillor read from the Taco Bell ingredients list and feel inspired... I wish I knew more about the poem -- did he take prayer requests as writ or just take inspiration from them? Is the poet Mennonite?

By: nasreddin

nasreddin — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:33:11 -0800

what a beautiful poem. thank you.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:44:45 -0800

Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not hers. And Shakespeare weeps for poetry's crimes, like that one. Straight from the Bukowski school of placing line breaks in (banal) prose & calling it a poem.

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:45:57 -0800

I'm siding with the Mennonites until that woman makes me french toast as delicious as the portion served to me by Mennonites at Philadelphia's Reading Terminal Market. Mennonites make delicious baked goods and wear amusing bonnets. She probably makes patchouli smells and wears unamusing old Birkenstocks.

By: Knicke

Knicke — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:47 -0800

Mayor Curley, c'mon now! We're a lot more complicated than that... I Googled the author; he appears to be a Methodist, but grew up in Elkhart, IN, so I'm sure he has at least a partial handle on the Mennonite experience (it's kinda hard to escape in that part of the country). As for the prayer requests: I grew up Menno and from my experience, the poet took inspiration from them rather than taking them as writ. The spirit captured in the poem is fairly accurate, but most Mennonites I know would not be quite so eloquent (they're not EVER this flowry or honest, even the liberal ones). Although...the prayer leader may indeed have contributed some choice phrases and ideas, and the initial impetus for the requests rings true (I doubt they all occurred in one service though - that would be one doozy of a worship service). I'm not gonna comment on the poem, except to say yawn...Julia Kasdorf does this stuff better. Thanks for the link to Shamash's blog - my folks are not as conservative as hers (judging from the photos), but pretty close...always nice to find a link to a fellow former Mennonite.

By: basicchannel

basicchannel — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:56:54 -0800

Your favorite band/poet sucks.

By: Target Practice

Target Practice — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:57:56 -0800

they're not EVER this flowry or honest, even the liberal ones There are liberal Mennonites? Isn't that like being a technophilic Amish?

By: ericb

ericb — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:03:38 -0800

Of course I could listen to Mr Keillor read from the Taco Bell ingredients list and feel inspired.. Fuck Garrison Keillor. Garrison Keillor: A Bigot's Home Companion

By: Knicke

Knicke — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:28 -0800

Yeah, there ARE liberal Mennonites - quite a few of 'em. Actually, the root values of Mennonites are pretty liberal (or at least "hippified") - pacifism, respect for nature and human beings, social justice. It's just that these values are often expressed outwardly in a way that seems repressive to many (i.e. special clothing, special cars, etc.) They don't all wear bonnets.

By: Slothrup

Slothrup — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:16:01 -0800

Buys clothes at the mall? She's a witch!

By: quin

quin — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:21:26 -0800

Target Practice : Isn't that like being a technophilic Amish? It could happen. Check out the wheels on that cart, rowr slick. And look at that axe, double bit with a hickory handle. That is the shit right there... I'm paraphrasing of course.

By: It's Raining Florence Henderson

It's Raining Florence Henderson — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:24:34 -0800

Garrison Keillor says dumb things real purty.

By: Cosine

Cosine — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:31:11 -0800

One extremely liberal Mennonite here!

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:32:29 -0800

Mayor Curley, c'mon now! We're a lot more complicated than that... I'm teasing. I am so positive on 10,000 Villages. My wife and I registered there for our wedding. We shop there whenever we can. And talk it up to our friends. Thank you, Mennonites, for making the world a better place.

By: Cosine

Cosine — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:40:39 -0800

We do what we can.

By: Cosine

Cosine — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:40:55 -0800

to at least try to balance out the Catholics. ;)

By: Target Practice

Target Practice — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:03:44 -0800

ericb, I don't wish to take this thread offtopic, but those first two links remind me of the conservative pundits and politicians who've embarrassed themselves by taking the Daily Show and Colbert Report's segments in earnest. In any case, I think there's a distinction that needs to be made between homophobia and dislike of gay men who act the part of the stereotypical homosexual. Being around that sort of person is like being around a black guy who acts like a minstrel show.

By: retronic

retronic — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:09:14 -0800

Target Practice : Isn't that like being a technophilic Amish? Actually, from what I've read, the Amish aren't against technology, they're against being beholden to outside (aka "english") influences, like your friendly local electric co. (Many Amish use electric generators, and cellular phones--though I believe mobiles are still under "review" status.) You could say that the Amish started the "living off the grid" movement.

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:44:20 -0800

Love Shamash's blog and feel for her being rejected and judged for wanting to be true to herself. She seems to be a thoughtful, interesting and genuine person.Thanks for this post.

By: unreason

unreason — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:59:20 -0800

I will allow no criticism of the fine people who invented the funnel cake.

By: sy

sy — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:57:18 -0800

The poet taught creative writing and American Literature to me at Goshen, a Mennonite liberal arts college in northern Indiana. A whole school of people write stylistically muted prose-poems on Mennonite themes (Davis, Julia Kasdorf, Jeff Gundy, Ann Hostetler, etc.), and several of them were in our English department at the time. Politically and culturally, these poets are much closer, by the way, to Shamash than to the people this poem describes. As an arrogant undergraduate, I didn't have a lot of time for modern academic poetry, with its small-run journals and coterie appeal, and Mennonite ethno-lit was particularly unappealing to me. Now I think this poem is pretty nice, I guess.