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	<title>Comments on: So much drama off the LBC</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:41:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>So much drama off the LBC</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&amp;z=19&amp;ll=33.739773,-118.13792&amp;spn=0.002779,0.005928&quot;&gt;Chaffee&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&amp;z=18&amp;ll=33.7521,-118.157369&amp;spn=0.005557,0.011855&quot;&gt;White&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;z=18&amp;ll=33.758349,-118.178489&amp;spn=0.005557,0.011855&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&quot;&gt;Grissom &lt;/a&gt;&amp;amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&amp;z=18&amp;ll=33.741877,-118.159348&amp;spn=0.005558,0.011855&quot;&gt;Freeman &lt;/a&gt;are the names of four artificial islands immediately off the Southern California port of Long Beach.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/crackerbunny/193644662/&quot;&gt;From the shore&lt;/a&gt;, they each look like an inhabited island &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/c-j-b/271309315/&quot;&gt;paradise&lt;/a&gt;, complete with waterfalls, interesting buildings, many palm trees and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/thadhogan/391500978/&quot;&gt;crazy nighttime party lighting&lt;/a&gt;.  In fact, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oxy.com/OIL_GAS/world_ops/usa/thums.htm&quot;&gt;they are offshore oil wells&lt;/a&gt;, built on 10 acre Dubai-esque &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2007/03mar/thums.cfm&quot;&gt;man-made islands created for the purpose of housing the oil wells&lt;/a&gt;, and disguised so as to comply with local aesthetic standards.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:41:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonson</dc:creator>		<category>oil</category>		<category>dubai</category>		<category>islands</category>		<category>longbeach</category>		<category>artificial</category>		<category>engineering</category>
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		<title>By: jonson</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650114</link>	
		<description>Fun fact: The islands are named after four astronauts who died in the 1960s.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:41:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flapjax at midnite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650117</link>	
		<description>Maybe they should just use ENORMOUS versions of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fakerock.com/&quot;&gt;these&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:46:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonson</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650120</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve heard that&apos;s what they&apos;re doing up at &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;q=morro%20rock&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;um=1&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wi&quot;&gt;Morro Bay&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:49:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: R. Mutt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650124</link>	
		<description>Reminds me of those cell phone &quot;&lt;a href=http://www.fraudfrond.com/&gt;trees&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:52:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: R. Mutt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650143</link>	
		<description>Why would they name &lt;i&gt;fake&lt;/i&gt; islands after &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; astronauts ... &lt;small&gt;unless, &lt;small&gt;wait a minute &lt;small&gt;... you don&apos;t think its some kind of clue ....&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:02:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bru</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650144</link>	
		<description>Great post, great pics and maps, great facts, jonson, thanks.

And I didn&apos;t knew who Freeman was, but he was indeed an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amfcse.org/honor/freeman.htm&quot;&gt;astronaut&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:02:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spikeleemajortomdickandharryconnickjrmints</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650161</link>	
		<description>It reminds me of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/52272/Houses-that-arent-houses-at-all&quot;&gt;houses that aren&apos;t houses at all&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:16:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eekacat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650165</link>	
		<description>Sounds like the name of a law firm...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:19:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Penny Wise</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650178</link>	
		<description>THUMS, he says, &quot;is a great example of the pressures facing the local oil industry. This field is 85 years old, has produced almost a billion barrels, has millions of barrels left to recover, but the wells cannot compete with properties worth millions.

All from the article jonson posted.

THUMS....another Hollywood &quot;has been&quot;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:26:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: frogan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650189</link>	
		<description>Most people don&apos;t realize just how much oil production happens in Southern California. It&apos;s one of the top 3-5 producing areas of the United States. There&apos;s a reason the La Brea Tar Pits exist, after all, and there&apos;s a reason there&apos;s a working oil well literally on the campus of Beverly Hills High School.

Part of that is tricks like this man-made islands. But there are shell buildings throughout L.A. that hide oil wells and derricks, and lots of houses in Brentwood with oil wells in the backyard.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:33:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: longsleeves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650202</link>	
		<description>Thank you jonson, for such a descriptive fpp that one did not have to actually click on any of the links! 

I think offshore oil rigs should appear to be hobbit shires or mad scientists&apos; secret headquarters.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:43:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Burhanistan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650208</link>	
		<description>But would Snoop party on one of these isles? &lt;small&gt;Riffing off your post title.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:49:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: porpoise</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650234</link>	
		<description>Huh. Local aesthetic standards... are inhabited islands fundamentally more aesthetically pleasing than &lt;strike&gt;unspoilt&lt;/strike&gt; undeveloped wilderness - or is that too creepy for many urbanites?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:06:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650369</link>	
		<description>That&apos;s no lagoon.

I&apos;ve got a bad feeling about this ...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:43:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: frogan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650381</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;are inhabited islands fundamentally more aesthetically pleasing than unspoilt undeveloped wilderness - or is that too creepy for many urbanites?&lt;/em&gt;

These are man-made islands. &quot;Undeveloped wilderness&quot; in this case would be flat, empty ocean (which I don&apos;t &lt;em&gt;think &lt;/em&gt;anyone has an issue with).

But if you&apos;re going to build something on the ocean (and whether you build or not is an entirely different discussion), something with equipment on it, I think it&apos;s a dandy idea to attempt to make them more aesthetically pleasing.

I used to live near Huntington Beach, Calif, where there are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nearfield.com/~dan/sports/bike/beach/hunt/D3825.jpg&quot;&gt;full-on offshore oil derricks within eyeshot &lt;/a&gt;of some of the finest surfing in the U.S. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yesterdayla.com/Graphics/huntington4.jpg&quot;&gt;They were drilling for oil there since the 20s.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hboilers.com/&quot;&gt;The high school mascot is the Oilers.&lt;/a&gt; And I always thought ... if the derricks are going to be there anyway ... why don&apos;t they at least &lt;em&gt;try &lt;/em&gt;to make it not look like such an eyesore?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:49:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: basicchannel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650523</link>	
		<description>Thanks for this. I see these everyday &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&amp;f=q&amp;q=E+Ocean+Blvd,+Long+Beach,+Los+Angeles,+California,+United+States&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=41.818029,72.773438&amp;z=14&amp;ll=33.754602,-118.153324&amp;spn=0.043031,0.071068&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&amp;iwloc=addr&quot;&gt;driving down Ocean Blvd.&lt;/a&gt; in Long Beach. I never knew exactly what these strange islands were about.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:42:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Goofyy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650653</link>	
		<description>I used to live in Long Beach. The view from the shore is very 2-dimensional. I knew they were oil wells out there, but had no idea how much was behind the face I could see. 

frogan: Funny enough, I have no memory of oil wells off Huntington Beach. But then, I did live longer in Long Beach than Huntington Beach, yet Huntington Beach was much more recent. Probably I was too busy watching for a wave, in HB ;-)</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:28:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: frogan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650685</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Funny enough, I have no memory of oil wells off Huntington Beach. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=huntington+beach+california&amp;layer=&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;z=19&amp;ll=33.662262,-118.044502&amp;spn=0.001692,0.002832&amp;t=k&amp;om=1&quot;&gt;Right here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:54:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650723</link>	
		<description>In addition to being industrial constructions, are they (or could they be, minus the lights and shit) wildlife sanctuaries or are they just too noisy and awful for birds and seals to put up with?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:53:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kid Charlemagne</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1650969</link>	
		<description>This seems like the exact opposite of the giant wind turbines they wanted to put up near Boston until residents complained about how they would ruin the view.

At one level I understand, but at another level is seems like complaining about having to look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hellosanfrancisco.com/Images/Photos/972005Golden_Gate_Bridge-s.jpg&quot;&gt;this eyesore&lt;/a&gt; every day.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:26:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TuxHeDoh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1651018</link>	
		<description>A bit OT- but can anyone inform me what &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=huntington+beach+california&amp;layer=&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;om=1&amp;z=15&amp;ll=33.393183,-117.609758&amp;spn=0.02458,0.040169&amp;t=k&amp;iwloc=addr&quot;&gt;this &lt;/a&gt;is?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:59:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: notyou</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1651045</link>	
		<description>I live a block from the beach and those islands don&apos;t &quot;each look like an inhabited island paradise.&quot; They each look like somebody tried to paint lipstick on an oiled up pig.

As for building houses out there and what not. Sure. Go for it. Until they do something about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://lbsurfrider.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=26&amp;Itemid=42&quot;&gt;breakwater&lt;/a&gt;, our long stretch of beach will continue to be an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.workwithweeks.com/images/Port_Crud.jpg&quot;&gt;industrial lagoon&lt;/a&gt; rather than a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scripophily.com/webcart/vigs/pike6.jpg&quot;&gt;sweet piece of pacific strand&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:12:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1651047</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;At one level I understand, but at another level is seems like complaining about having to look at this eyesore every day.&lt;/em&gt;

The bridge is a single, clean, elegant construction that frames the view of the bay. If the bay were loaded with bridges of various sizes and shapes breaking the view of the horizon and making air, noise, and light pollution day and night, the bridges &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; be eyesores. And earsores. And nosesores. And dinosores.

Also, the bridge is something for everyone, an everyday public utility that also offers and view and a nice place to jump from. And it&apos;s historical, a monument, a part of the city lore, so you feel something when you see it. 

The fake islands are just oil derricks disguised as awful resorts. I think I&apos;d prefer the honest, undisguised derricks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:14:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cashman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1651260</link>	
		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;So much drama off the LBC&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

You win.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:02:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: basicchannel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1651567</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/60212/So-much-drama-off-the-LBC#1651018&quot;&gt;TuxHeDo&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algal_bloom&quot;&gt;Algae blooms&lt;/a&gt;, I assume. Yummy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:53:56 -0800</pubDate>
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