Comments on: How rate hikes could stamp (ahem) out yr favorite zine

How rate hikes could stamp (ahem) out yr favorite zine

pfafflin — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:05 -0800

Last year, one of the last of the independent magazine distributors, Independent Press Association, went out of business (and took many smaller magazines along in its wake), and those who have survived, like Punk Planet, now depend on its subscription base for revenue. Now, a proposed postal hike, which favors magazines with larger circulations, could be the final nail in the coffin for some of the little guys.

By: pfafflin

pfafflin — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:09:55 -0800

Robert McChesney writes: "The genius of the postal rate structure over the past 215 years was that it did not favor a particular viewpoint; it simply made it easier for smaller magazines to be launched and to survive. That is why the publications opposing the secretive Post Office rate hikes cross the political spectrum. This is not a left-wing issue or a right-wing issue, it is a democracy issue. And it is about having competitive media markets that benefit all Americans. This reform will have disastrous effects for all small and mid-sized publications, be they on politics, music, sports or gardening." [Sniped from the No Depression mailing list]

By: Steven C. Den Beste

Steven C. Den Beste — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:12:59 -0800

...or perhaps it could induce them to distribute online instead of on dead trees. Magazines and newspapers overall are a dying breed. Physical distribution on paper is uncompetitive.

By: drezdn

drezdn — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:18:35 -0800

There are several advantages to magazines having a paper presence (portability being a major one, another being that not everyone has the internet), and this seems to be one of those times where it's blatantly obvious the government is backing the interests of the people with the most money.

By: Pope Guilty

Pope Guilty — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:20:24 -0800

I'd far rather publish on paper than publish online. There's something so thoroughly unreal to me about online "magazines" and publications.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:23:01 -0800

Physical distribution on paper is uncompetitive. Only when it's structured to be competitive for TIME and uncompetitive for Punk Planet. Funny, I hear the Postal Rate Commission is made up of actual people who actually decide these things, not a "market".

By: IronLizard

IronLizard — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:24:49 -0800

There's something so thoroughly unreal to me about online "magazines" and publications. True, paper publications have a sense of permanence completely lacking in online media. Not to say that the internet inherently 'forgets' anything (it does, I'm still looking for articles that were once available) but not having a physical thing you've paid for to do with what you will just isn't the same thing. It's like comparing e-books to hardbacks. Future generations may feel differently, but for those of us who grew up with paper, there's no substitute.

By: parmanparman

parmanparman — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:47:47 -0800

I met a woman who does marketing for Publisher's Group West and she says most of the smaller mags have such devoted readerships that they will probably survive. It's start-ups, like always in the publishing world, that are facing big problems, especially with the further demise of independent bookshops.

By: drezdn

drezdn — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:01:11 -0800

parmanparman, don't you mean "she does marketing for transition vendor?"

By: parmanparman

parmanparman — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:07:18 -0800

Drezdn, No, PGW was bought shortly before IPA went downhill. It seems to be in the process of being spun-off again, or it will form the nexus for whatever IPA turns into once it comes out of administration.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:46:09 -0800

i think the government is indulging in another handout to big corporations ... as wrong as that is, steve's got a point - the concept of small mailed magazines and possibly large ones, too, is getting outdated

By: verb

verb — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:53:16 -0800

This is pretty sad. Back in the day (late 80s) I self-published a zine out of my basement for years. It had around 300 paying subscribers at its peak, and by far the biggest cost was postage. You can do almost anything to put it out on the cheap, but at the end of the day the postal service decided whether you could make it or not.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:10:04 -0800

We pushed our schedule up to get in under the wire for this coming issue (it takes effect May 14th, so it all has to be printed, bound and sorted, etc, before then). It's hitting everyone--big and small--and it's not like bigger companies are getting away with anything--distribution costs to newstands, etc, have always been high (along with less savory placement costs), and now mailing to subscribers is going up too. Postage has never really been that cheap for stuff heavier than envelopes (except for that book rate), even when sorted by zip code and done in bulk, i don't think. And magazines are heavy, especially in Spring and Fall. Catalog publishers are going to be hurting even more.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:15:17 -0800

I think we might see an end to 1000-page extravaganzas in April and September--see Vogue, etc--or they'll be smaller for the subscriber versions.

By: drezdn

drezdn — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:16:20 -0800

parmanparman, this is what I was referring to. The Publishers Group West I'm thinking of was sold to Perseus after their parent company went bankrupt in December. The bankrupt company (AMS) didn't sell the name to Perseus though. I'm curious though how PGW and IPA are connected though, so far as I knew, PGW only distributed books... Is there a connection that I'm missing, or are they different companies?

By: amberglow

amberglow — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:17:07 -0800

(i have a friend who used to work for a distributor--he always said it was a real racket)

By: Megafly

Megafly — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:57:29 -0800

I'd bet that the consumers would prefer they charge more for bulk mail and less for media. I'd just as soon get fewer pizza coupons and cheaper Playboys

By: Steven C. Den Beste

Steven C. Den Beste — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:23:38 -0800

Only when it's structured to be competitive for TIME and uncompetitive for Punk Planet. Time/Life just shut Life Magazine down again, probably for good. Over the last twenty years, the big news weeklies have all had declining circulation, in a period where the population of the US has grown substantially. Moreover, a fair amount of their circulation is phony. It's copies given away just to keep the numbers up so advertising rates won't sag. (Some advertisers have started realizing that they've been lied to.)

By: chrominance

chrominance — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:08:16 -0800

Moreover, a fair amount of their circulation is phony. It's copies given away just to keep the numbers up so advertising rates won't sag. (Some advertisers have started realizing that they've been lied to.) Advertisers have known about this for a long time, and many of them are pretty okay with it. That's a big reason why free publications can survive; they sacrifice subscription/newsstand revenue for greatly simplified circulation while still bringing in advertisers. For advertisers more interested in reaching the largest number of eyeballs than targeting the right sets of eyeballs, free magazines work. And for those advertisers interested in hitting specific markets, well, that's what controlled circ is for. All that said, none of the circulation models work particularly well without advertising, which is still a major question mark when you go online. Magazines that start from the ground up as online ventures can do well, but asking print magazines to transition to the web in order to save on postage costs—especially smaller ones that have to deal with very few technological resources and practically no know-how in the first place—is asking quite a lot. It's not as simple as "oh, well maybe now they'll stop killing trees and go on the web." Far more likely they'll collapse and die, and maybe in a few years a new group of people will pick up the pieces and start their own magazine in the same genre. Or not.

By: spitbull

spitbull — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:03:16 -0800

It's called business. Either you have customers willing to pay for your product above the cost of producing it, or you don't. Market conditions are always changing and always challenging. Apply to the NEA for a grant if it's really art.

By: phearlez

phearlez — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:14:43 -0800

Advertisers have known about this for a long time, and many of them are pretty okay with it. That's a bit of an overstatement. They're aware, though there's been discussion about the relative value and respect a non-paying reader gives the paper versus someone who made a financial commitment. "Part of the motivation is that advertisers have raised questions about how effective sponsored papers are at reaching consumers, said John Morton, a newspaper consultant based in Silver Spring, Md." That's not the first time I read that - I recall seeing discussion about disclosure of paid/subsidized numbers several years ago - but it's the first article I could google up.

By: mephron

mephron — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:12:30 -0800

Meanwhile, for every nerd who loves the game, Wizards of the Coast is taking back Dragon magazine and Dungeon magazine from the people who have published it for five years, to make it a web-only thing. The people at Paizo Publishing, which was formed originally to publish them, apparently are trying to keep a happy face. (Full disclosure: I just re-upped and have 11 issues left on my sub, dammit.)

By: humannaire

humannaire — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:26:07 -0800

three words print on demand

By: D.C.

D.C. — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:34:44 -0800

three words print on demand one word: sucks

By: Scram

Scram — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:52:29 -0800

A longtime zine publisher here (it's my screen name), with a mag currently on indefinite hiatus. I'm convinced the only way most indie print mags will survive is by printing in multiple locations, and distributing in a hands-on fashion. It could even be a co-op situation: zines A (in Cleveland), B (in LA) and C (in NY) agree to produce new issues on June 1, job the print jobs to get a decent price, print one third of each of their copies in each community (or the next state over, to avoid sales tax), and then share local distribution duties for all titles. It could work, if you could find two or more other zine publishers who weren't flakes, and you weren't one yourself. Distributors are (almost) all thieves. Indie record companies aren't buying ads. Stores won't take consignment. Might as well make the mags free, and distribute them next to the city guides. The only reasonable alternative is publishing online (POD or not). It's simply harder to make a physical artifact now than it was before, and when compared to the immediate satisfaction and ability to reach readers that the web provides... well... you have to be a pretty big print geek to keep the presses rolling (yay Roctober, Ugly Things, Razorcake, et al.)!

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:10:23 -0800

Free distribution is really the way to go--if you can get enough ads to support the costs. Even in big magazines, it's the specialized and targeted ones that do better now, as opposed to the 76 Sisters and other general magazines.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:14:50 -0800

What's going to be interesting is whether kids (girls, almost entirely) will still be socialized for magazine reading and buying. For decades and decades, there has been a sort of funnel--from teen (17, YM, and the newer ones that have all mostly folded or gone online, etc) and music/pinup/pop magazines (Tiger Beat, 16, etc) to adult magazines, conditioning women to be magazine readers. Maybe that Nick magazine and the Disney ones will continue it?