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	<title>Comments on: topless</title>
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	<description>Comments on MetaFilter post topless</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:47:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>topless</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0711,harvilla,76021,22.html"&gt;A graphical dissertation&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003555645&quot;&gt;Mims&lt;/a&gt;&apos; &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANw7ZVrMHCE&quot;&gt;This Is Why I&apos;m Hot&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.  &lt;em&gt;Consider the reasoning, first, of just &quot;I&apos;m hot &apos;cause I&apos;m fly&quot;:


Mims is hot because he&apos;s fly. But it raises the question: Does being hot guarantee one&apos;s being fly? &quot;You ain&apos;t &apos;cause you not&quot; would seem to clear that up:




It would appear that fly and hot are interchangable. If you are one, you are both; if you aren&apos;t at least one, you are neither.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:33:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>four panels</dc:creator>		<category>pop</category>		<category>billboard</category>		<category>Aristotelian</category>		<category>logic</category>
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		<title>By: Fuzzy Monster</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665897</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ironically, he looks cold.&lt;/em&gt;

Good stuff.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:47:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DU</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665902</link>	
		<description>LOLEBONICS

That said, Venn diagrams are hot like Venn diagrams.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:51:41 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DU</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Balisong</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665907</link>	
		<description>I keep singing this song when the electricians are in the houses I&apos;m working on.

Sure enough, every 15 minutes, it comes on.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:54:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Balisong</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Balisong</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665911</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m hot &apos;cause I&apos;m fly,
You &apos;aint &apos;cause you&apos;re not.
This is why,
This is why&apos;
This is why I&apos;m hot.

Catchy as all hell.
Not really inspired lyrics.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:57:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Balisong</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: cillit bang</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665915</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:V_mey_iujwgJ:files.bangshang.com/avril-essay.doc+&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2&quot;&gt;An actual dissertation&lt;/a&gt; on Avril Lavigne&apos;s Sk8er Boi.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:01:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dizzy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665920</link>	
		<description>Abstract please?
Don&apos;t want to go blind.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:06:17 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dizzy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: DU</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665924</link>	
		<description>OK, so I just listened to the song.  Actually, just about 10 seconds of it.  That is one dumbass song and it fully deserves the [NOT RACIST] savaging this article gives it.

Also, &quot;Mims&quot; is a stupid name for a rapper.  But I&apos;m probably biased, since a) I&apos;m aware of the ultra-nerd Forrest Mims and b) my tiny, white, fuss-budgety mother-in-law is nicknamed &quot;Mim&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:07:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DU</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Balisong</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665925</link>	
		<description>OK, I know this is my third post to this thread, but I&apos;m flagging it as Uberlame post &apos;cause I&apos;m not.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:09:09 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Balisong</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: timsteil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665926</link>	
		<description>god bless people with tenure.

our lives are much richer because of them</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:11:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rkent</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665944</link>	
		<description>HI I&apos;M THE VILLAGE VOICE AND I COULD OVERTHINK A PLATE OF BEANS.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:23:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amethysts</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665964</link>	
		<description>The whole article is good, but the last sentence is where he tells you the whole point (why the song is hot):

&quot;Mere mortals are hot like other people or things; having ascended to a higher plane, Mims is hot like Mims. It doesn&apos;t get hotter than that.&quot;

i enjoyed this article as much as i like this song because, i could somehow feel that the point of the song was about being transcendent, that feeling amused me, but i couldn&apos;t articulate it. so thanks for posting this.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:46:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ethereal Bligh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665966</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;&apos;I&apos;m hot &apos;cause I&apos;m fly&apos;: Mims is hot because he&apos;s fly. But it raises the question: Does being hot guarantee one&apos;s being fly?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; means something like &quot;is the causal result of&quot; then being fly is not just a necessary cause, but is a sufficient cause of the state of being hot.  In this case, being hot guarantees being fly.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;&apos;You ain&apos;t &apos;cause you not&apos; would seem to clear that up: It would appear that fly and hot are interchangeable. If you are one, you are both; if you aren&apos;t at least one, you are neither.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Similarly, using this working definition of &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt;, and assuming the parallelism of the verse intends the full formulation &quot;You are not hot because you are not fly&quot;, then being not fly is sufficient cause for being not hot.  Therefore being fly is both a necessary and a sufficient cause of being hot.  You cannot be hot without being fly.  You also cannot be fly without being hot because being fly alone is sufficient cause for being hot.  As the author says: if you are one, you are both.  Being hot is therefore sufficient cause to be fly.  You cannot be one without the other.

All of this strict parsing, with or without diagrammatical aid, is contrary to the native language parsing of the verse which &lt;i&gt;does not&lt;/i&gt; imply that &quot;fly and hot are interchangeable&quot;.  &lt;i&gt;Fly&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;hot&lt;/i&gt; are clearly distinct&#8212;though related&#8212;concepts.  Mims&apos;s verse has much less meaning if it&apos;s a tautology built around the equivalence of &lt;i&gt;hot&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;fly&lt;/i&gt;.  The problem, then, is this strict interpretation of the word &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; as implying sufficient cause.

In common native use, &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; can imply &lt;i&gt;either&lt;/i&gt; a sufficiently &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; a necessary causal relationship.  In this verse, Mims intends &lt;i&gt;I&apos;m hot &apos;cause I&apos;m fly&lt;/i&gt; to describe a necessary casual relationship but &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; a sufficient causal relationship of &lt;i&gt;flyness&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;hotness&lt;/i&gt;.  Specifically, Mims is berating the flyless as being not hot because they lack this necessary quality&#8212;though they &lt;i&gt;may have other qualities which are necessary to hotness&lt;/i&gt;.

The moral of this story is that analytical philosophy which parses common language usage is a lame attempt to be clever when it is as fluent in common usage as the flyless are hot.  An alternate moral is that the Village Voice are a bunch of wankers.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:49:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ethereal Bligh</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Dizzy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665969</link>	
		<description>What?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:54:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dizzy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: twsf</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665979</link>	
		<description>Methinks the author owes a shoutout to &lt;a href=&quot;http://indexed.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;Indexed&lt;/a&gt;. (Previously mentioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/53977&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/57789/Le-Grand-Content&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:59:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ericb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665989</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;...it raises the question: Does being hot guarantee one&apos;s being fly? &quot;You ain&apos;t &apos;cause you not&quot; would seem to clear that up: It would appear that fly and hot are interchangable. If you are one, you are both; if you aren&apos;t at least one, you are neither.&lt;/em&gt;

It all depends. Where is he in regards to the forces of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/60491/Is-Justin-Timberlake-a-Product-of-Cumulative-Advantage&quot;&gt;Cumulative Advantage&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:10:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ethereal Bligh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1665992</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;What?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:13:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ethereal Bligh</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mmrtnt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666021</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mims is hot because he&apos;s fly...&lt;/i&gt;

It depends on what the meaning of the word &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; is.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:38:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: a.</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666073</link>	
		<description>Ethereal Bligh, you sound like my Introduction to Logic lecturer &amp;lt;3</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:38:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: unmake</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666075</link>	
		<description>Christ. I thought &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Mims&quot;&gt;Forrest Mims&lt;/a&gt; had a singing career.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:40:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Espy Gillespie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666083</link>	
		<description>DU, reread the article.  It&apos;s not at all &quot;savaging&quot; the song.

And &apos;Mims&apos; is the last name of the rapper, Sean Mims.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:50:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Espy Gillespie</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kosem</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666094</link>	
		<description>The best thing about this song is that it spawned an hilarious Duke   &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=fYOgC2Qbqh4 &quot;&gt;diss&lt;/a&gt; during the NCAA Tournament.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:04:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cillit bang</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666109</link>	
		<description>I&apos;d like to think he&apos;s named after &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geograph.org.uk/browse.php?p=180172&quot;&gt;South Mimms&lt;/a&gt; motorway service area.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:35:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brujita</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666112</link>	
		<description>My parody so far:


This is why I&apos;m hot (x3)

I have cubic zirconia in my rotten brown teeth
when they crumble out I&apos;ll shit grit for a week

This is why I&apos;m hot (x3)

I have 18 kids by as many baby mamas
I can&apos;t bother to pay for their pajamas

This is why I&apos;m hot (x3)

I never use a rubber when I shoot my jizz
I have tertiary syphilis</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:39:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hattifattener</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666120</link>	
		<description>Like &lt;b&gt;DU&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;unmake&lt;/b&gt;, I was disappointed that this was not about Forrest Mims III. Who would be hot because he was not adequately heatsinked and his R&lt;sub&gt;&#952;&lt;/sub&gt; was too large.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:49:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: keys</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666150</link>	
		<description>Too bad Steve Allen isn&apos;t around to give us HIS take.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:43:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DU</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666251</link>	
		<description>I did read the article.  It&apos;s an hilarious sendup of what seemed like (I only listened to a snippet) a vapid, self-aggrandizing song.  And &quot;it&apos;s my real name&quot; isn&apos;t much of a defense of a lame rapper handle.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:21:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DU</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: hank_14</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666321</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m just saying, the rhyming of jizz and syphilis is actually pretty inspired.  Nice work, brujita.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:12:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drezdn</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666330</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;And &quot;it&apos;s my real name&quot; isn&apos;t much of a defense of a lame rapper handle.&lt;/i&gt;

He also says it stands for &quot;Music is My Savior.&quot;

I only know this because I saw his video and thought he was wearing a shirt featuring the mascot of the local minor league hockey team. I was wrong.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:21:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666335</link>	
		<description>Mims is a lame handle. It sounds like somebody&apos;s British auntie.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:26:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SweetJesus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666550</link>	
		<description>You&apos;re all just mad cause he&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNRA4_JhO4A&quot;&gt;stylin&lt;/a&gt; on you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:27:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peep</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666589</link>	
		<description>There is a spreadsheet linked in &lt;a href=&quot;http://wellwellwell.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/found-in-translation/&quot;&gt;this blog post &lt;/a&gt;which may supplement your enjoyment of the song.  I thought it was funny.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rush</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666666</link>	
		<description>Slight nitpick with the article, and in defense of Mims: he does change the beat when he talks about the Bay.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:39:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ogre Lawless</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60555/topless#1666982</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;First of all, no one calls it &quot;Frisco&quot; except rhyme-starved rappers, and the only worthwhile MCs living anywhere near Sacramento are in prison.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, y&apos;all keep thinking that.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Ogre Lawless</dc:creator>
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