Comments on: 96k of hilarity

96k of hilarity

tomble — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:36:52 -0800

The demo scene is alive and well. Showing off just what can be done with your computer with tiny programs (serious hardware required, video link included). The point of this post? Sumotori Dreams. A physics based game packed into 96k. It's not the gameplay itself which is so great, it's the stumbling drunk AI characters. Play a round, then sit back and watch them stumble (youtube). Safe for work, if gales of laughter don't draw suspicion.

By: nola

nola — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:53:13 -0800

Thats funny .

By: Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America

Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:53:50 -0800

I clicked on it expecting it not to be funny, but that was hilarious.

By: phaedon

phaedon — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:02:03 -0800

For those of you on macs, a capture of the debris demo is available here. stunning stuff.

By: wierdo

wierdo — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:03:06 -0800

Maybe I'm just old, but Second Reality was much more interesting.

By: bhouston

bhouston — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:03:21 -0800

it brings back great memories of too much time spent in front of a computer trying to figure out the best way to impress other nerds who spend too much time in front of their computers.

By: sveskemus

sveskemus — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:16:10 -0800

That's pretty cool. Too bad the game seems to be Windows only. I'd love to try it.

By: localroger

localroger — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:17:09 -0800

Well, 96K is an awful lot of memory for a demo if you remember when the world's most popular computer had not 64K but 4K. And it's not clear how much OS resources are being used to render those 3D robots. Nowadays the OS provides resources not available to even a supercomputer back in the when.

By: delmoi

delmoi — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:20:26 -0800

localroger: They're talking about disk space, not RAM.

By: churl

churl — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:27:53 -0800

10 DRINK ROBOT BOOZE 20 GOTO 10

By: basicchannel

basicchannel — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:31:15 -0800

Doesn't run under Parallels :(.

By: blendor

blendor — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:36:21 -0800

maybe not NSFW, but definitely NSFCSIWYAAAWTAS. (Not Safe For Coffee Shops In Which You Are Alone And Wish To Appear Sane)

By: Jimbob

Jimbob — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:44:23 -0800

Nowadays the OS provides resources not available to even a supercomputer back in the when. And I counter that back in the day, demos placed a huge reliance on the precice capabilities of the computer they were running on, taking advantage of quirks of the hardware that simply aren't possible now. If you were writing a demo for an Amstrad CPC, everything was finely tuned to take advantage of the exact chipset it ran on. If they upgraded the sound chip to a new model, suddenly your demo might be screwed. Today this isn't possible - every PC out there has different hardware, different amounts of memory, different clock speed, and coders can't afford to take advantage of the quirks of your exact processor, or the exact timing provided by the clock. So, it seems to me, making use of resources provided by the OS seems only fair. In 1985, coders were making use of the "resources" provided by the sound chip. They were making use of the "resources" provided by undocumented functions of the CPU. Now, they're using the "resources" provided by an accelerated 3D card - computing has advanced, why can't demos?

By: bhouston

bhouston — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:45:43 -0800

Does anyone else remember hornet.org?

By: DU

DU — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:48:59 -0800

96KB?! I can't even type "F=ma" in that amount of space, let alone implement it.

By: tellurian

tellurian — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:52:16 -0800

Cachinnates.

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:03:04 -0800

Maybe I'm just old, but Second Reality was much more interesting. I take you you still have your Gravis Ultrasound and DOS, then? I kid, I kid. Debris rocked hard, though.

By: wierdo

wierdo — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:05:26 -0800

I take you you still have your Gravis Ultrasound and DOS, then? These days I just pop in the MindCandy DVD. ;)

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:10:29 -0800

Me too ;-)

By: smably

smably — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:11:41 -0800

Heh, that was great! Thanks.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:27:22 -0800

Now, they're using the "resources" provided by an accelerated 3D card - computing has advanced, why can't demos? I haven't looked at the specs yet on the demos (just watched them, and they were kick-ass). If they're using DirectX routines, your statement would be enormously disingenuous, since the DirectX libraries aren't simply additional hardware features, but fully-implemented, pre-coded libraries. That's dozens of megs of software already written for you. OK, I looked at the NFO file, and it does require DirectX 9.0c.

By: Spike

Spike — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:36:49 -0800

Nice post. I got sucked into the demoscene a while back with a beautiful little game called .kkrieger, and the whole concept really appeals to the minimalist in me. Awesome to see some stuff I'm unfamiliar with posted here.

By: Jimbob

Jimbob — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:42:40 -0800

DirectX libraries aren't simply additional hardware features, but fully-implemented, pre-coded libraries. Fair call. But all these demos require, for example, Windows, or at least DOS. No demo I've seen lately is made to be booted from CD, with nothing but BIOS between it and the hardware. They all require software libraries. It appears that it's just the way it is done nowdays. If each of these demos were to talk to the 3D cards directly, they would, like in the old days, probably only run on one specific piece of hardware, which would kinda suck. That's why drivers were invented. And they would all have to re-implement DirectX or OpenGL or whatever, blowing out their size to dozens of unnecessary megabytes. Just accept the fact that computers aren't made like they used to be, that these demos still require some considerable skill to create, and they look real purty.

By: Jimbob

Jimbob — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:44:29 -0800

(Not to mention that if you insist on being a purist, people are still making old-school demos.)

By: Spike

Spike — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:53:41 -0800

(And yes, I acknowledge that I are t3h n00b. I envy you guys who have been in on this since the Amiga days.)

By: phaedon

phaedon — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:11:05 -0800

n00b away, dear brothers, do not let reality slow you down.

By: anthill

anthill — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:13:30 -0800

There's a secret mode - throw some cubes between the slats, underneath the "documentation" option on the title screen. Hitting a certain one of the border bricks takes you to the minigame...

By: waxpancake

waxpancake — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:15:48 -0800

That was brilliant. I just played it for the last 15 minutes with a co-worker.

By: waldo

waldo — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:33:22 -0800

Sadly, it won't run under Parallels on Mac OS X, presumably because of its reliance on direct access to the video card in a manner not supported through emulation.

By: Spike

Spike — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:08:46 -0800

Thanks, anthill. I just spent half an hour trying to completely demolish the arena using only the robot's stumbles and flails, reserving the blocks for subtle nudging and traps. Oh, and does the game randomly decide it's finished running for anyone else?

By: jake

jake — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:11:11 -0800

Back in my day, we had to code demos with levers and pulleys and gunpowder. Frankly, as long as beer and IRC exist, there will always be a thriving demoscene making absolutely incredible stuff, laughing at jaded dorks who declare the whole thing dead just because they've personally lost interest. It's been one long funeral procession since the mid-80s, very sad business. In summary, get off my lawn. Just joined a demogroup last month. virt^brainstorm -- we straight stuntin'.

By: metasonix

metasonix — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:46:50 -0800

Great. 99% of scene.org's demo files are Windows only and require DirectX. Very few for Linux. If those guys want a REAL challenge, they could write demos that play under any operating system. But I suppose this is mostly intellectual masturbation, so they don't care. Nice imagery, though.

By: lekvar

lekvar — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:58:07 -0800

The vido of Sumotori Dreams is hilarious. I can't wait to leave work so I can play it.

By: JParker

JParker — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:06:48 -0800

ditto the thank you for the "secret mode", anthill. I knocked my guy into the abyss with two blocks.

By: lastobelus

lastobelus — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:34:24 -0800

I think sumotori dreams is really impressive. The drunken stumbling is emergent behaviour, and coding a physics engine detailed enough to produce such interesting emergent behaviour is very impressive.

By: davejay

davejay — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:34:47 -0800

I watched the video, then downloaded it, all excited to play. Then I remembered I was using Linux, and now I am sad.

By: davejay

davejay — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:36:51 -0800

then I watched the drunken stumbling video again, and now I am happy

By: Jimbob

Jimbob — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:09:27 -0800

If those guys want a REAL challenge, they could write demos that play under any operating system. Great. Demos written in Java. Well, I guess it would be a challenge...

By: ZachsMind

ZachsMind — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:54:22 -0800

Why is Sumotori Dreams funny? I couldn't stop laughing at it, but it's ...why is this funny? It encapsulates what made Wile E Coyote funny when I was a kid but aside from the drunkeness of box robots, which doesn't make any sense... why am I laughing at this? My. Brain. Hurts.

By: ZachsMind

ZachsMind — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:58:22 -0800

Omigod Omigod Omigod! No no no no you don't understand. You gotta see this one. Wait till he gets one up the butt! Oh I got tears in my eyes. WHY IS THIS FUNNY?

By: ZachsMind

ZachsMind — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:59:04 -0800

dangit it worked in preview what happened?

By: tomble

tomble — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:08:00 -0800

Yeah, to the `Why is this FUNNY?' comments, I managed to gasp out similar sentiments when I found it. I like to think my level of humour is better than `Haha, man fall down', but in this case I nearly passed out from laughter. When the two sumo guys managed to get to their feet, stood close to each other, and in bowing clonked heads and fell over, I was massaging my cheeks to relieve the cramp.

By: greycap

greycap — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:11:07 -0800

That is fantastic fun.

By: kid ichorous

kid ichorous — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:37:54 -0800

Needs. More. Yakety Sax.

By: ill13

ill13 — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:01:30 -0800

As a long time [c.1990] tracker/composer, who kinda' follows the demoscene [since the advent of the c128], this is hot, similar to dismount in its physics, but hella more fun in its interactivity. To the haters of dx9 [really, dx3+] demos, well, be thankful they run on your system and don't require particular hardware setups or emu[s] to run them. Today, I can run demos of boxes that I no longer have [vic20, c64, apple ][e, c128, a500, a2000, 520st, 1040st, Mac128, Mac512...And at this point, more than half of which, i can -and do, run, at full speed on my *cellphone*] -and this would not have been possible without the standardization of hardware interfaces [like those of which DX gives us]. Plus, to throw down the gauntlet, show me your code that does it better!

By: chuckdarwin

chuckdarwin — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:36:04 -0800

My video card didn't like it at all - I got an 'input not supported' message and a black screen :-(

By: A Thousand Baited Hooks

A Thousand Baited Hooks — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:40:06 -0800

I've heard of the uncanny valley. This attempt at mimicking humanity is the hilarious peak.

By: Atom Eyes

Atom Eyes — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:17:51 -0800

You've gotta respect their tenacity. (Or should I say tinacity?) (No, probably not.)

By: lekvar

lekvar — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:08:38 -0800

For me, the reason that video is so funny is I've been to parties that were exactly like that. Good times.

By: bam

bam — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:41:08 -0800

anybody else feel bad during the "hidden part"? i managed to knock the dude off the platform and he whirly burlyied into space.