Comments on: America's favorite architecture?

America's favorite architecture?

Burhanistan — Thu, 03 May 2007 14:57:02 -0800

- The American Institute of Architecture lists its 150 most favorite buildings as ranked by its members. Zoom-able photos and building information herein. You can also rate your top five.

By: rolypolyman

rolypolyman — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:00:55 -0800

Then of course for the worst buildings, there's Kunstler's eyesore of the month.

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:00:55 -0800

fighting urges.......must!.....not!....snark!

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:04:48 -0800

Okay. I already think the AIA is pretty much crap, and then the fuckers go and max out my browser on me. On an all flash site.

By: Bugg

Bugg — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:08:27 -0800

Double? I'm not sure. The links seem to have changed. And of course, the original has no tags.

By: luriete

luriete — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:08:55 -0800

Well, at least they got the Gamble House. The rest of it ... Meh.

By: billypilgrim

billypilgrim — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:09:50 -0800

The World Trade Center at number 19? Please. Sentimentality aside, those are some of the ugliest goddamn buildings ever made.

By: Dave Faris

Dave Faris — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:13:55 -0800

Wow. 8 of the top 20, and 5 of the top 10 are all within 10 miles from me.

By: synaesthetichaze

synaesthetichaze — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:14:07 -0800

Okay, basically every large stadium in the US is in there. Why? They're giant, ugly bowls. Also, half of the selections are just very tall skyscrapers. Basically rectangles. What? Conclusion: America's favorite architecture --> America has terrible taste. What a surprise. I was glad to see the Allegheny County Courthouse on there... that's an astounding building; that Biltmore Estate place looks fantastic too. One of those follies of hubris that I imagine bankrupted the dude who built it... maybe not, I don't know anything about the place, but it gives off that vibe in the picture.

By: mrnutty

mrnutty — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:14:22 -0800

WARNING: Will resize your browser and make you angry

By: Eekacat

Eekacat — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:15:53 -0800

These seem to be more of a "America's most recognized" architecture. I guess that means favorite in some sense. At least they didn't try to call it "America's best". Kunstler seems like a bit of an ass, though I tend to agree with him about half the time.

By: milestogo

milestogo — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:17:25 -0800

lots of the buildings just seem like they are on there because they are famous as opposed to architechturally sound. In fact, I like the buildings at the end a lot better than the earlier ones. Thanks for the link, though.

By: synaesthetichaze

synaesthetichaze — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:18:42 -0800

Okay, from the wikipedia page on the Biltmore Estate: Vanderbilt paid little attention to the family business or his own investments, and the construction and upkeep of Biltmore depleted much of his inheritance. Heh, cool. Since it was a Vanderbilt, I suppose they didn't go bankrupt from it, but still, pretty neat undertaking.

By: adamgreenfield

adamgreenfield — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:19:20 -0800

Bite your tongue, billypilgrim. The errant neo-gothic touches aside, there was something magnificently unsentimental about the Towers. Yamasaki deserves the accolades.

By: fandango_matt

fandango_matt — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:20:34 -0800

They sure have a hate-on for Daniel Libeskind. The AIA is absolutely right about the current proposal for the WTC/Freedom Tower--except for the fact it ought to be #1. Good lord, what a horrid compromise. I'd rather see the site remain a gaping hole in the ground than build that monstrosity. Idiots, all of them.

By: adamgreenfield

adamgreenfield — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:24:35 -0800

OK, at least they had the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial and the TWA Terminal in there, so it wasn't completely meritless. Oh, and, nice tags, Burhanistan.

By: Mick

Mick — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:28:52 -0800

Wow, that's a shitty UI.

By: adamgreenfield

adamgreenfield — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:29:08 -0800

fandango_matt, anything bad said about Libeskind is fully justified. He's a world-class lox - feh and ptui on him.

By: Kwantsar

Kwantsar — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:31:27 -0800

Okay, basically every large stadium in the US is in there. Why? They're giant, ugly bowls. Erm. They were, once upon a time, but no longer.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:33:26 -0800

What the fuck is with all that neoclassical and fussy frou-frou shit? Gross. And who the hell ranks the Empire State ahead of the Chrysler Building? This is making me a lot more angry than I expected it to.... rolypolyman writes "Then of course for the worst buildings, there's Kunstler's eyesore of the month." I disagree with a lot of what Kunstler has to say (and for a man who is so obsessed with well-crafted beauty, that website....), but I love his writing. He's so pissed, and he communicates it so well.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:35:03 -0800

I mean, seriously: "It lacks the dignity of even a common bowling trophy." That's pretty awesome.

By: fandango_matt

fandango_matt — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:41:05 -0800

Document: Original Post Find: They, The AIA Replace With: Kunstler I thought Libeskind's original design for the WTC was perfect. Then, of course, people began changing it. Love ze concrete barrier baze protekting ze freedom, Comrade Arkitekt! Also, I didn't see any of Louis Sullivan's work in that AIA list. Pfui.

By: Brian James

Brian James — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:41:15 -0800

One my faves is the American Radiator Building. Makes me smile every time I see it, rising just off Bryant Park. Done by the same guy who would go on to do Rockefeller Center.

By: mckenney

mckenney — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:41:55 -0800

I know it's controversial, but I would have really liked to see Boston City Hall on there. Neoclassical and Colonial Revival bullshit leaves me totally cold.

By: Haruspex

Haruspex — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:47:04 -0800

A few may find this interesting: I do some hired-in design & marketing for one of the listed building's architects (I'll be all professional and Say No More as to Whom). The day this list came out, I was there for a presentation and instead spent about thirty minutes with him discussing the outcome, the building in question's ranking and that of other contenders. The surprising thing about it — because all architects I've yet met consider themselves God's own gift and what the hoi polloi have to say about their Immortal Structures is of no consequence — was how excited he was about simply being on this list. It was, I must admit, sort of sweet.

By: Rock Steady

Rock Steady — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:48:01 -0800

Yankee Stadium over Fenway Park? Even Yankee fans admit that that place is a toilet bowl. Whatever. Let the old, round-spectacled, self-important douchebags at the AIA have their fun.

By: HeroZero

HeroZero — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:48:57 -0800

I grew up enamored with I.M. Pei's East Wing of the National Gallery in D.C. Sure, the gallery spaces themselves are sometimes oddly shaped (hexagonal, with overly high walls and little floorspace), but that atrium had made me a lifetime architecture lover.

By: Max Power

Max Power — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:50:32 -0800

At least they got 333 North Wacker in there, beautiful building placement etc.

By: datacenter refugee

datacenter refugee — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:52:02 -0800

Hooray for Thorncrown Chapel being on there! Jones (I've always felt) was the only architect who truly 'got' FLW and carried on the aesthetic while still maintaining a sense of his own individuality. He took what is arguably the most beautiful facet of Wright's work (his stained glass) and just made it explode into these vast, intricate three dimensional spaces. See also Pine Eagle Chapel.

By: Rock Steady

Rock Steady — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:54:45 -0800

I know it's controversial, but I would have really liked to see Boston City Hall on there. I forget if it is Kallman, McKinnell or Knowles who tells this story, but one of them was visiting Boston after the building was done and he told his cabbie to take him to City Hall. The cabbie asks the architect (not knowing who he is) if he knows how they designed the new building. Curious, the architect says he does not, but he'd love to hear it. The cabbie takes out a penny, and flips it to show the Lincoln Memorial. then he rotates it so the Memorial is upside-down, and says, "See, there it is."

By: parallax7d

parallax7d — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:59:51 -0800

#142 John Hancock Towers? Do they think that the single John Hancock Tower are closely spaced twin towers? Lots of great architecture in this Country, but what a lousy site.

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Thu, 03 May 2007 16:10:09 -0800

Metafilter: Your favorite architect sucks. unfortunately, I'm my favorite architect. :(

By: Flashman

Flashman — Thu, 03 May 2007 16:16:15 -0800

What the hell? That list is an abomination, except perhaps that my No.1, the Vietnam Memorial, at least is in the top ten. But no Seagram building? Lever House? Monadnock building? Insane. Nothing by Morphosis? There's a vast wealth of great architecture in the US that should be on a list sponsored by the AIA, but it isn't this dreck. And the less said about Liebeskind the better.

By: rtha

rtha — Thu, 03 May 2007 16:38:44 -0800

The UI made me kind of seasick. I'm glad the Golden Gate Bridge is there (#5), and surprised that more Chicago buildings aren't higher on the list.

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Thu, 03 May 2007 16:44:17 -0800

Chrysler Building.

By: subaruwrx

subaruwrx — Thu, 03 May 2007 17:00:47 -0800

Im suprised that the WTC is on there. Tall? Sure. Beautiful? Not at all... I only wish that my favorite building in San Francisco, Crown Zellerbach @ 1 Bush didnt make it, and neither did the Transamerica pyramid. And they have the Apple Store on 5th ave butt leave out the DeYoung? Makes you wonder what these East Coast Biased clowns are smoking... and only eight masterpieces by Lloyd Wright? and only two by I.M Pei? At least they have the Thorncrown Chapel. That makes me forgive them...

By: gwint

gwint — Thu, 03 May 2007 17:12:53 -0800

I really like the site design (ok, yeah, it shouldn't have resized my browser without asking.) Too bad there's only one photo per building. I won't comment on the list itself except to say it seems to have been randomly selected and ordered by a bunch of 5th graders.

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Thu, 03 May 2007 17:18:10 -0800

and only eight masterpieces by Lloyd Wright? That's really all he deserves, if even that. Wright should get the Robie House, Unity Temple, Fallingwater, the Guggenheim, the Hollyhock Residence, the S.C. Johnson Wax buildings, and the Marin County building. That's seven, and it's still a lot compared to anyone else. There are plenty of guys that just did one great building that should be in there.

By: nomad

nomad — Thu, 03 May 2007 17:21:36 -0800

All you have to do to get on this list is name your building Union Station

By: mckenney

mckenney — Thu, 03 May 2007 17:25:36 -0800

Or put some fucking columns in front of it and have some "I think I'm so great" dickhead like the President live there.

By: octothorpe

octothorpe — Thu, 03 May 2007 19:04:29 -0800

Gawd, that's one of the worst web interfaces that I've ever used. Since when does the web go right to left? Was there something wrong with up and down? Anyway, it's nice to see so much H.H.Richardson in there, I thought he was pretty much forgotten. I work a few blocks from a not very well known work of his, The Emmanuel Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh known as the Brick Oven Church because of the ridiculously thick stone walls. The man took his masonry seriously.

By: TheGoldenOne

TheGoldenOne — Thu, 03 May 2007 19:45:06 -0800

The National Building Museum is a sight to behold. If you're in DC, it's actually worth a visit. Glad to see it on this otherwise lousy list.

By: Flood

Flood — Thu, 03 May 2007 20:09:17 -0800

so many are in new york

By: melkozek

melkozek — Thu, 03 May 2007 20:17:17 -0800

The Milwaukee Museum of Art is a treasure. The "wings" fold out each day and then fold back down. Crowds usually gather to watch. Probably the only building on the list that moves. Great location to view the lake and the city. Even the parking garage underneath echoes the design and has some natural light.

By: dgaicun

dgaicun — Thu, 03 May 2007 20:19:45 -0800

I prefer Gyo Obata's Independence Temple over the National Air and Space Museum. I would have liked to see more churches in general. They're generally more captivating than box-y corporate structures. (e.g. Thorncrown Chapel)

By: Count

Count — Thu, 03 May 2007 20:28:53 -0800

FACK this shit.

By: deanc

deanc — Thu, 03 May 2007 20:33:39 -0800

I was impressed. I didn't agree with all of their choices (the Gugenheim and Getty Museum are terribly overrated. The World Trade Center at number 19? Please. Sentimentality aside, those are some of the ugliest goddamn buildings ever made. Ain't that the truth. The Twin Towers look nice from afar, but if you ever went downtown and visited the WTC at ground level, you could see not just the ugliness of the buildings up-close but also the horrible design of the whole WTC complex itself. You know what my favorite piece of architecture from the WTC area was? This I know it's controversial, but I would have really liked to see Boston City Hall on there. No, no. A thousand times no. I detest all of those I-Hate-Humanity-Concrete-Block-In-The-Middle-of-A-Concrete-Courtyard atrocities that are imposed on our cities by architects with more ego than good sense. See also: This hideous eyesore

By: deanc

deanc — Thu, 03 May 2007 20:34:44 -0800

Shoot, I was distracted by my rant about Boston city hall. I mean to say that while I didn't agree with all their choices, the AIA had many inspiring picks. They were the sort of places that would make someone want to be an architect after visiting.

By: theorique

theorique — Thu, 03 May 2007 21:07:39 -0800

No Tadao Ando and only one Louis Kahn. Grr.

By: jewishbuddha

jewishbuddha — Thu, 03 May 2007 21:50:03 -0800

neither did the Transamerica pyramid Other than the Transamerica Pyramid at number 61, you mean?

By: dhartung

dhartung — Thu, 03 May 2007 22:25:35 -0800

Also, I didn't see any of Louis Sullivan's work in that AIA list. Pfui. Carson Pirie Scott was on there, and the (Adler & Sullivan) Auditorium Building. Yeah, I didn't get the upper reaches of the list, but it definitely demonstrated the use of the vague word "favorite" here. The Capitol, the White House, the Jefferson Memorial -- all fine architecture in their own right, but hardly three of the ten best works in the country. The Chrysler Building is more interesting than Empire State any day of the week (not that ESB is bad, of course). I also suspect that, like WTC, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial is on there for sentimental reasons (but unlike WTC, deserves it for architectural reasons). The Center had an impressiveness about it, but was the very epitome of the somewhat Le Corbusierian tower-in-a-plaza awfulness that soon afterward was abandoned everywhere. Still, some of the top 20 are very unexpected and well-deserved choices. Both Brooklyn and Golden Gate bridges, and the Arch, fit the mold of iconic but deserved. (OK, I lean toward engineering.) But entries like the St. Regis or the Del Coronado probably couldn't have ranked this high on the strength of favorite-son voting. But then you have the Bellagio. I just don't know what to say. Maybe it is the best neoclassical/postmodern casino hotel the US has ever seen, but I suspect being favorited had more to do with comps, liquor, and the topless pool than anything else ... And yes, as a Chicago native, I must protest. No Hancock (the better Hancock)? No Marina City (a problematic work, but influential in its time)? No Water Tower? Bah. Still, I can't argue with the ones that did get listed. Now, the interface. As if horizontal flash wasn't bad enough, I had a serious quibble with the whole "A-Z" thing. They listed them all by the first letter, e.g. Louis Sullivan under "L". Good grief. I detest all of those I-Hate-Humanity-Concrete-Block-In-The-Middle-of-A-Concrete-Courtyard atrocities that are imposed on our cities by architects with more ego than good sense. Well, Brutalism has had its day, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. It was a fad that had more to do with the advent of low-cost and innovative concrete techniques than an intense anthropopathy.

By: gatorae

gatorae — Thu, 03 May 2007 23:17:49 -0800

I've stayed at #103, the Hyatt Regency in Atlanta, and I must admit that the 22-story atrium is pretty impressive, although the building's exterior is nothing special. The glass elevators are extremely fast and smooth, and zipping up all those flights was both exhilarating and terrifying. If you're ever in downtown Atlanta, it's definitely worth a ride.

By: dgaicun

dgaicun — Fri, 04 May 2007 00:53:37 -0800

By date it's somewhat interesting that 4 of the 150 structures were built in the 18th century, and there are none from the first three quarters of the 19th centrury. The gap between the US Capitol (1793) and Trinity Church (1877) is almost 100 years. Yet there is a selection for almost every year in the 19th century after that (24 total), as if architecture suddenly "began", fully formed, in 1877 after an 80 year death. More choices are from the first half of the 20th century than the second half (57 from 1900-1949 and 49 from 1950-1999). And 16 selections are from the 21st century alone. Probably from the well known 'newness' bias. Or maybe architecture is improving. . . it damn well better be with all the architects we're probably educating now. Yet there are more artists than ever and art in general is declining.

By: Nelson

Nelson — Fri, 04 May 2007 01:15:08 -0800

Why is this website so awful? Right off the bat it resizes my browser. The entire site is designed around horizontal scrolling. The scrollbar is non-standard ("drag to navigate") and seems to have no keyboard bindings. The photos all have some crazy reflection underneath them like they were mirrored in water, only in most cases the bottom of the photo is hundreds of feet off the ground making a completely nonsensical mirror line. Oh, it's all Flash. That explains why it's so freakin awful. I can accept that "the greatest hits of US architecture" would result in a fairly banal list of buildings. But couldn't they at least present the buildings in a humane way? Ugh.

By: gompa

gompa — Fri, 04 May 2007 01:28:42 -0800

The new Marriot Courtyard in Saratoga Springs, a hotel designed to look like a forensic pathology lab. As mr roboto noted, that Kunstler writes a funny goddamn rant. Also one more post-facto vote for the Chrysler Building at No. 1.

By: MrMoonPie

MrMoonPie — Fri, 04 May 2007 07:19:32 -0800

15 are within 5 miles of me. I've been inside all but one of those 15, and and I'm an employee of another. Cool.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Fri, 04 May 2007 11:52:36 -0800

dgaicun, interesting analysis. Of course the Capitol we see is not the 1793 structure but the mid-19th-century structure that more or less enclosed it, so that throws things off a bit. But -- without looking -- I believe that means that no Federal Style buildings are on the list at all, and that was the first "indigenous" American architectural style. I think there's some arguably Greek Revival and Neogothic listings. But I wonder if there's a perception that before that, architecture was too European, or if the buildings are just too small. No Monticello, for instance (and the Memorial was explicitly evocative of the house).

By: knapah

knapah — Fri, 04 May 2007 11:52:55 -0800

I guess it was just me that thought "Target List" then...

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Fri, 04 May 2007 11:59:40 -0800

If you go through and vote for your top five the Chrysler building wins by a mile.

By: dgaicun

dgaicun — Fri, 04 May 2007 12:35:53 -0800

No Monticello, for instance #27.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Fri, 04 May 2007 12:42:25 -0800

dgaicun writes "No Monticello, for instance

"#27." If you read this thread, you'll notice that people keep missing things. I think that's pretty clear evidence of the AIA site's shitty shitty design.

By: flotson

flotson — Fri, 04 May 2007 18:31:23 -0800

This site made me sad/mad, but yay! Metafilter for having soul. It almost felt as if the selections were made by the Dept. of Homeland Security. At least the Brooklyn Bridge was way up there. . .

By: 3.2.3

3.2.3 — Sat, 05 May 2007 14:19:56 -0800

I've stayed at #103, the Hyatt Regency in Atlanta, and I must admit that the 22-story atrium is pretty impressive, although the building's exterior is nothing special. i'd say it's the single most distinctive building on the list. It's harder to tell now that so many taller buildings have sprung up around it. But when it was opened, it was the most futuristic thing in the U.S.. But you can go to the bar atop the Peachtree Plaza next to it at night and look down on some kind of spaceship about to take off from the top of the Hyatt. It was the only building on the list I thought was a resounding, "Yes!" didnt make it, and neither did the Transamerica pyramid. #61. that Biltmore Estate place looks fantastic too. Well worth a trip to tour. Beats anything in Newport.

By: Dick Paris

Dick Paris — Sat, 05 May 2007 18:09:50 -0800

Oh. My. Lord. /outraged architect

By: Dick Paris

Dick Paris — Sat, 05 May 2007 18:16:00 -0800

OK. It's about favorites…I suppose I should not be outraged by the selections. I did talk about this with some other architects when the survey started and we recognized that the biggest problem is that it will be more a survey of "name five buildings".

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Sun, 06 May 2007 06:33:39 -0800

[the place for bitching and moaning about the things you dislike about other posters is MetaTalk. Say it with me M E T A T A L K]