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This photo has launched high school pole vaulter Allison Stokke into Internet memedom. Her reaction: "I worked so hard for pole vaulting and all this other stuff, and it's almost like that doesn't matter. Nobody sees that. Nobody really sees me."
posted by aerotive (496 comments total) 12 users marked this as a favorite

Newsflash: Some high school girls are hawt.

It amazes me what can become an internet meme.
posted by jayder at 6:57 PM on May 30, 2007


I was impressed by her vaulting. I am serious, really!
posted by lee at 6:58 PM on May 30, 2007


I'd hit that.

The track, I mean. I could stand to lose a few kilos.
posted by Effigy2000 at 7:01 PM on May 30, 2007


We get it. You'd hit it.
posted by basicchannel at 7:02 PM on May 30, 2007


Effigy2000, your triple-post inadvertently reveals the dangers of one-handed websurfing.
posted by jayder at 7:02 PM on May 30, 2007 [3 favorites]


Aw crap now my post doesn't make sense (delete plz :().
posted by basicchannel at 7:03 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


weak meme is weeeeeeeeeak.
posted by CKmtl at 7:04 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


What, no links to the meme? Where's the backstory here?
posted by IronLizard at 7:04 PM on May 30, 2007


There's also a good discussion underway at sportsfilter
posted by Rumple at 7:05 PM on May 30, 2007


Wow 48th "hot trend" on google trends. Here she is being interviewed
posted by delmoi at 7:06 PM on May 30, 2007


photographs steal souls
posted by brevator at 7:09 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


I'd let her vault my pole.

I'm sorry.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 7:10 PM on May 30, 2007 [3 favorites]


I wonder how many other web geeks have made the same lame and stupid quip, Dr. Steve.
posted by Dave Faris at 7:13 PM on May 30, 2007


More like high school pole smoker! Am I right, guys??
posted by Roman Graves at 7:15 PM on May 30, 2007


And she's in good company. I bet she and Anna Kournikova could commiserate.
posted by Dave Faris at 7:15 PM on May 30, 2007


It's hard to be an internet sex symbol.
posted by ColdChef at 7:17 PM on May 30, 2007 [5 favorites]


The unofficial fan site linked in that story has closed up shop.

Sorry for having contributed to the unwanted attention, Allison. We think you're a phenomenal athlete and wish you the best of luck in your academic and athletic endeavors.
posted by rosemere at 7:18 PM on May 30, 2007


Oh, dear. She's just slightly older than my daughter.

Please kill me now.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:19 PM on May 30, 2007


Dave Faris, 7.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 7:20 PM on May 30, 2007


Give me a fucking break.
posted by puke & cry at 7:22 PM on May 30, 2007


Very pretty girl, and such a classic athletic pose.
posted by Iron Rat at 7:22 PM on May 30, 2007


Hot.
posted by kbanas at 7:22 PM on May 30, 2007


I have to say, she seems to be handling it very well, much better than I would have had something remotely similar happened to me at that age. Also, here's one sign o' the times style moment:

For the first week, Stokke tried to ignore the Internet attention. She kept it from her parents.

"Mom, dad, I've got something to tell you... I'm an internet celebrity."

Before this the weirdest coming out story I'd heard was

"Mom, dad, I've got something to tell you... I'm an Elvis impersonator."
posted by Kattullus at 7:24 PM on May 30, 2007


I'm surprised she's been recognized in public, but nobody noticed lonelygirl15 for months. I can't find the link but I remember the actress who played Bree said that she just didn't seem to get recognized when she went out.
posted by bobo123 at 7:25 PM on May 30, 2007


I feel bad for her. Well, as bad as I can feel for someone who is 18, pretty, a state athletic champion and a straight-A student.
posted by brain_drain at 7:25 PM on May 30, 2007 [9 favorites]


Please kill me now.

Don't worry, Crash. Girls her age don't even acknowledge that men our age exist.
posted by Dave Faris at 7:26 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Well, it could be worse. She could have had a video of her thrashing that pole around like a cat on crack, pretending to be a jedi.
posted by lekvar at 7:26 PM on May 30, 2007 [3 favorites]


Very pretty girl, and such a classic athletic pose.

Hot.

We have, not one, but two winners!
posted by yhbc at 7:26 PM on May 30, 2007


Weird that this specific photo would be a meme. I've never seen it, so I have no idea what people used it as a launching pad for, but it's a pretty innocuous photo of a cute high school chick. I feel bad for her getting that much attention but it seems like one of those totally random internet things.
posted by mathowie at 7:26 PM on May 30, 2007


The poor, poor thing.

Why is it that people don't get that pole vaulting is the answer to all our 21st century woes? Does GW pole vault? No. Does John Howard pole vault?. No! What about Noam Chomsky?

I'm fucking angry.
posted by strawberryviagra at 7:26 PM on May 30, 2007


The note on the YouTube inteview video from the poster:

Dear Miss Stokke, a quarter million views might seem like a lot, but there are over a thousand times as many people in the US alone. So that's less than a tenth of a percent, and most of these views are probably repeats. I estimate that only about 75,000 people have actually watched this video, and there will probably be as many or more people watching you in person when you go to the Olympics.

I'm sure the video's embarrassing, but if I take it down, someone else will just repost it.

Sorry,
-gavnook

posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:26 PM on May 30, 2007 [3 favorites]


"I worked so hard for pole vaulting and all this other stuff, and it's almost like that doesn't matter. Nobody sees that. Nobody really sees me."

Even aerotive was only able to post a hawt photo of her, rather than what really matters to her, her pole-vaulting ability
posted by KokuRyu at 7:27 PM on May 30, 2007


Will all be forgotten in a week or two.
posted by A189Nut at 7:27 PM on May 30, 2007


Is there one from the back?
the best i found.

posted by andywolf at 7:28 PM on May 30, 2007 [3 favorites]



posted by Postroad at 7:28 PM on May 30, 2007


(I think Postroad just keeled over.)
posted by Dave Faris at 7:29 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


I'm surprised she's been recognized in public, but nobody noticed lonelygirl15 for months.

lonelygirl15 wasn't noticed when she wasn't famous (I think she said in an interview it was just once before the story broke that someone commented on her MySpace that they saw her in a bookstore in LA), and when she became famous, the makers of the video paid her to keep her from having to take a restaurant gig and ordered her to stay indoors or disguised as much as possible.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:29 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


This is Warknockers' Dilemma in action, right here. People may be commenting on your post to say that Miss Stokke is hot because:

1. They feel that Miss Stokke is hot, and that to say as much is honest praise;
2. They feel that Miss Stokke is hot, and that to say as much is naughty and awesome;
3. They don't have an opinion of Miss Stokke either way, but think that saying she's hot is clever addition to the thread;
4. They don't have an opinion of Miss Stokke either way, but think that saying she's hot is a scathing ironic indictment of the thread;
5. Seriously though, she's totally hot. Fist-crammed-in-mouth hot. ZOMG.
posted by cortex at 7:30 PM on May 30, 2007 [12 favorites]


Oh Allison, you poor thing... I feel your pain! No one understands your struggles. Come here and sit in my lap and I'll fondle hold you and you can tell me all about it.
posted by Parannoyed at 7:32 PM on May 30, 2007


Handling it well? I think horribly. It's a real shame that she took the stereotypical Scared American route (I'm an American, BTW). Among all the positive consequences of sudden fame (from merit AND good looks, BTW) her family chose to focus on negativity and danger. How small-minded.

Her family should be focusing on scholarships, securing a Nike sponsorship, and basically milking this for all it's worth while they can. THAT is the American way.
posted by redteam at 7:33 PM on May 30, 2007 [4 favorites]


I'll say this. She's good looking but the beauty in that photograph is as much the serendipitous pose and lighting. There are lots of girls who would look beautiful if shot in the very same way. It was a really lucky (actually amazing) photo. I wouldn't say she's "average" but if it hadn't been for that amazing shot she never would have become so famous.

I mean really the picture is just amazing.
posted by delmoi at 7:35 PM on May 30, 2007


Wow 48th "hot trend" on google trends.

Eh. What she should really be upsetting to her is that a wild hog is beating her meme by 8 places.
posted by Dave Faris at 7:35 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Having spent a lot of time trackside as a middle distance runner, approximately 99% of female pole vaulters are mega hot. It comes with the territory. It's a scientific fact.

Also, speaking as a nerd herd member from way back, high schoolers complaining that they're too hot and too popular will spend the rest of their lives wishing they were back in high school
posted by jimmythefish at 7:36 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


...Like the rest of us.
posted by Dave Faris at 7:37 PM on May 30, 2007


After the Washington Post article came out, fan site allisonstokke.com pulled all content and put up this note:
Farewell - Sorry for having contributed to the unwanted attention, Allison. We think you're a phenomenal athlete and wish you the best of luck in your academic and athletic endeavors.

posted by rajbot at 7:37 PM on May 30, 2007


At 5 feet 7, Stokke has smooth, olive-colored skin and toned muscles. In the photo, her vaulting pole rests on her right shoulder. Her right hand appears to be adjusting the elastic band on her ponytail. Her spandex uniform -- black shorts and a white tank top that are standard for a track athlete -- reveals a bare midriff.

Easy now, Washington Post Staff Writer, I think you're sweating.
posted by Peter H at 7:38 PM on May 30, 2007 [6 favorites]


Sorry, missed rosemere's comment above
posted by rajbot at 7:38 PM on May 30, 2007


On a slightly related subject, pole-vaulting looks like so much fun, and it slightly depresses me that it's not something I can just pick up for fun on a Saturday at the gym. Particularly now that I see that I could use it as a platform on which to extend my internet fame.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:39 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Is she Olympic-qualifying class? I don't know the first thing about women's pole vault.
posted by mr_roboto at 7:39 PM on May 30, 2007


5.
posted by pwedza at 7:39 PM on May 30, 2007


Handling it well? I think horribly.

redteam, I couldn't be more in agreement. Not to say that there aren't going to be some downsides to this, but there are plenty of upsides if they just look hard enough. That Nike sponsorship is a good idea. I know things are different for women, but if my worst problem was the world thinking that I'm hot, I think I could live with that.

She's good looking but the beauty in that photograph is as much the serendipitous pose and lighting.

Disagreeing. Take a look at the post's photo of her. She's beautiful.
posted by Edgewise at 7:40 PM on May 30, 2007


Disagreeing. Take a look at the post's photo of her. She's beautiful.

I dunno- watch the YouTube interview. In that, she looks like any other pretty but gawky teenage girl.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:41 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Look, that is a wonderful photo. She is a very attractive girl, in great athletic shape, in a great pose, with a great expression, nicely blurred background. It's a serious eye-magnet, and not just for jollies-getting. It is absolutely captivating. And that by no means takes away from her athletic accomplishments.
posted by The Deej at 7:44 PM on May 30, 2007


I'm actually amazed that the story doesn't say somewhere that she's been approached by Maxim and/or FHM. But she will be. It's what they do. IT'S ALL THEY DO
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:48 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Seriously that Washington Post description cracks me up. Just the fixation in it. It's almost perfect, just missing "Her hair must smell like flowers. And I think, I really think, I must have her."
posted by Peter H at 7:50 PM on May 30, 2007 [6 favorites]


Just remember guys - you may have daughters one day. And I hope you never have to hear that your daughter is some internet geek's screen saver / wet dream.
posted by TorontoSandy at 7:50 PM on May 30, 2007 [6 favorites]


I mean really the picture is just amazing.

I'd have to second that, delmoi.

I actually read the WaPo piece without seeing that picture yesterday. I didn't it in a (1 second) Google image search.

From what I did find on Google, I could see that she was a very pretty young woman, but it was really hard seeing why she was getting so much attention.

That photo puts it in a better perspective. It's a perfect moment capture, of a great subject, by a talented photographer.

But a picture is a lie. That photo created as much of the hype as this woman's beauty. It's a great photograph.
posted by teece at 7:50 PM on May 30, 2007


Needs to wear a special track & field hijab.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:53 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


Oh, right. 'cause the burden of being beautiful and athletic, that's a crippler.
posted by adipocere at 7:57 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


So a young woman is good at something difficult.

Random men she doesn't know reduce her achievement to ZOMG HAWT!!!111!!!! I WOULD POLE VAULT IT WITH A STICK! AND BY STICK, I MEAN MY PENIS!!!! OR SOMETHING!

She doesn't care for that very much.

Random other men think that's stoopid, because it's inconceivable - and WRONG - that it a girl might feel weird about knowing that random men have reduced your entire existence to SO HOT, I WANT TO BANG HER, INSERT POLE-VAULTING JOKE.

Is that about right?

I guess that my vagina must have robbed me of my sense of humor, because I just don't get the joke.

Ugh.

And yeah, I know, you're dying to tell me to loosen up/take a nap/chill out/have a cup of tea and stop being a bitch about a little light-hearted fun. Just pretend you already made the comment, I read them and was suitably chastised, etc.
posted by thehmsbeagle at 7:57 PM on May 30, 2007 [49 favorites]


Cortex, your comment was right on but what on earth is Warknockers' Dilemma? Google isn't helping and that's all I'm good at!
posted by Riki tiki at 7:58 PM on May 30, 2007


Just remember guys - you may have daughters one day. And I hope you never have to hear that your daughter is some internet geek's screen saver / wet dream.

Please. Since when has it been a source of consternation to fathers that their daughters are widely thought to be beautiful?
posted by jayder at 7:58 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


I think thehmsbeagle drank too much Internet.
posted by Peter H at 8:01 PM on May 30, 2007 [4 favorites]


She really is gorgeous. And she's NOT the Numa Numa guy. I understand the fear of creeple people (some of whom may well be...right...in this...very...ROOM!!), but really -- it could be a whole lot worse.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:01 PM on May 30, 2007


There are other pictures of her here, although you have to have a myspace account to look at them.
posted by puke & cry at 8:03 PM on May 30, 2007


She is gorgeous. The photo in the first link is a very well taken photo, but much of her beauty seems to be natural. While I, as a male, find her to be highly attractive, I also realize this girl is still in high school and trying to lead a normal life, so let's not turn her into a net-celebrity against her will.
posted by krash2fast at 8:03 PM on May 30, 2007


Handling it well? I think horribly [...] her family chose to focus on negativity and danger.

I didn't say a word about how her family was handling it. And well, since the guy's a lawyer and he hasn't filed a single lawsuit, he's way ahead of the stereotype.

But yeah, I think, given her age, she's handling it well. Had something similar happened to me at her age I would have handled it roughly like thus

a) not leaving my room for days at a time
b) when I left my room, getting drunk in public, climbing on top of downtown single story buildings shouting "Don't you know who I am?! I'm Kári Tulinius! I'm gonna be bigger than Mahir fucking Cagri!"
posted by Kattullus at 8:04 PM on May 30, 2007


a) not leaving my room for days at a time
b) when I left my room, getting drunk in public


Shit ....That's not being an Internet meme. That's handling a divorce!
posted by Peter H at 8:06 PM on May 30, 2007


That photo puts it in a better perspective. It's a perfect moment capture, of a great subject, by a talented photographer.That photo puts it in a better perspective. It's a perfect moment capture, of a great subject, by a talented photographer.

Man, no kidding. That photographer expanded my aperture! I'd increase my focal length for his or her exposure! I'd crop that!
posted by Riki tiki at 8:06 PM on May 30, 2007 [4 favorites]


It is true that female pole vaulters seem to have cornered the hawtness in track and field. Stacy Dragila at the 2000 Olympics was the first to get noticed world-wide. There was an Icelandic pole vaulter in the last Olympics that I believe didn't even medal yet was covered extensively (Thorey Edda Elisdottir - I googled it) by the media because she was a stunner. A coworker of mine still competes on an amateur level and she could make a train jump its tracks. So this is nothing new. But what is a little disturbing is that now its focused on a high school girl that barely of legal age - that's where I apologize for my fellow men.
posted by Ber at 8:06 PM on May 30, 2007


Jayder, a woman asking men how they'd feel if people were behaving this certain way about their daughter/mother/sister/girlfriend can, in my experience, immediately be translated as: "This makes me uncomfortable and a little sad. I'm not sure why it doesn't make you uncomfortable and a little sad. Guys. Um. I'm trying not to get accusing (and, oh horrors! shrill!) here. But. Er?"

And, of course, the problem a father might have with this is not so much the genuinely admiring "Wow, she's lovely - and so skilled at her chosen sport!" but the "I'd fuck her, WHOOO, would I EVER."

I guess there are probably some dads who are okay with the latter, but man, I feel sorry for their daughters.
posted by thehmsbeagle at 8:07 PM on May 30, 2007 [7 favorites]


I agree that it's an amazing photograph.

Polevaulting is a sport that I just find amazing. I mean, I can do some version (not good ones) of nearly every other track-and-field event: I can run, jump, throw things. Polevaulting? Ah...no. Not. At. All. So for me, part of her beauty comes from the fact that she can do this difficult thing that I can't imagine doing.

Poor kid. Hang in there.
posted by rtha at 8:12 PM on May 30, 2007


Know what? Everybody's right -- the picture is great. She's strong, toned, and given her record, obviously a sports achiever to admire. I'm sure many of us which there existed as powerful and beautiful an image of ourselves. It's a very fine photo of an athlete in the prime of her powers.

Wouldn't it be nice if it stopped there? Wouldn't it be nice if she could look back on her years of (most likely) getting up at all hours of the morning for workouts, spending her afterschool time and weekends at meets while friends her age were working and partying, spending her disposable income on gear and travel, staying up late not to chat on the phone but to finish her homework so she would be ready for the same routine the next day, and all while being thought of as a strong, beautiful student athlete, rather than as eye candy for a bunch of lazy slobs sitting around drooling over the internet? It's not her complaint that's out of line, it's our collective cultural bias toward sexualizing the public female image.

I'm quite serious. No one is saying the woman isn't good-looking -- just that she didn't seek attention as a sex symbol. She sought attention for excelling at a difficult sport, and I agree that she worked hard for it. Sorry to rain on the irony party, but this IS what it's like for a girl: no matter how good you are at what you do, you can never escape judgement, one way or the other, for the reaction of men to your physical appearance.

It's tiresome. I don't blame her (or her parents) for reacting as she did; I'm only sorry that it seems most men have to have daughters before the existence of this phenomenon starts to dawn on them.
posted by Miko at 8:13 PM on May 30, 2007 [114 favorites]


Not which...wish. Ai.
posted by Miko at 8:14 PM on May 30, 2007


myspace slideshow.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:18 PM on May 30, 2007


That was a perfect, perfect comment, Miko.

I hope - and it's a sarcasm-free hope, even - that someone out there reads it and thinks Ah. I see.
posted by thehmsbeagle at 8:18 PM on May 30, 2007


I happen to be reading Breakfast of Champions, where I just tonight read this:

The driver's toilet paper in Libertyville, Georgia, had been The Barring-gaffner of Bagnialto, or This Year's Masterpiece by Kilgore Trout.

The name of the planet where Trout's book took place was Bagnialto, and a "Barring-gaffner" there was a government official who spun a wheel of chance once a year. Citizens submitted works of art to the government, and these were given numbers, and then they were assigned cash values according to the Barring-gaffner's spins of the wheel. The viewpoint of character of the tale was not the Barring-gaffner, but a humble cobbler named Gooz. Gooz lived alone, and he painted a picture of his cat. It was the only picture he had ever painted. He took it to the Barring-gaffner, who numbered it and put it in a warehouse crammed with works of art.

The painting by Gooz had an unprecedented gush of luck on the wheel. It became worth eighteen thousand lambos, the equivalent of one billion dollars on Earth. The Barring-gaffner awarded Gooz a check for that amount, most of which was taken back at once by the tax collector. The picture was given a place of honor in the National Gallery, and people lined up for miles for a chance to see a painting worth a billion dollars.

posted by ericost at 8:20 PM on May 30, 2007


What Miko said.

Also, I pole vaulted for several years and it's hard to do. As much as this internet attention might make her distraught, she's lucky in that she will never have the experience of sprinting full-on to the pit, jamming the pole full force into said pit, feeling the pole bend under the strain of all the transferred energy, and then accidentally straddling that bastard as it releases the full force of your own energy right into your nutsack. Because, let me tell you, that sucks. A lot.
posted by psmith at 8:22 PM on May 30, 2007 [7 favorites]


what on earth is Warknockers' Dilemma?

It's a terrible pun, is what.
posted by cortex at 8:24 PM on May 30, 2007


Gosh, dear, so sorry you are so attractive to most men. You take a nice picture!
posted by longsleeves at 8:25 PM on May 30, 2007


m u s t . n o t . f a p .
posted by wfrgms at 8:25 PM on May 30, 2007


It says she used to be a gymnast... I wonder how many woman get into pole vaulting and high-jumping because they are too tall for gymnastics.
posted by smackfu at 8:25 PM on May 30, 2007


I'm not going to get too much into this, except to say... female athletes are hawt.

And anybody who knows my history.....



yeah.

posted by LordSludge at 8:33 PM on May 30, 2007


Wouldn't it be nice if she could look back on her years of (most likely) getting up at all hours of the morning for workouts, spending her afterschool time and weekends at meets while friends her age were working and partying, spending her disposable income on gear and travel, staying up late not to chat on the phone but to finish her homework so she would be ready for the same routine the next day, and all while being thought of as a strong, beautiful student athlete, rather than as eye candy for a bunch of lazy slobs sitting around drooling over the internet?

That is entirely up to her.

Jesus, people, get used to it. Privacy as we knew it - pre-Internet/camera phone/surveillance camera privacy - is gone. It ain't coming back.
posted by gottabefunky at 8:36 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


Agreed, She is hot. She is good at pole vaulting... Move along now.
posted by subaruwrx at 8:39 PM on May 30, 2007


all i can say is that going to the washington post about it might not have been the best way to deal with this

she should realize that 3 months from now, she'll be forgotten and it'll be someone else
posted by pyramid termite at 8:40 PM on May 30, 2007


I dunno- watch the YouTube interview.

Just checked it. I still think she's beautiful, but now I can see it's going to take a few years for her to come fully into it.
posted by Edgewise at 8:40 PM on May 30, 2007


Equal time for pole-ish boys.
posted by rob511 at 8:43 PM on May 30, 2007


...Like the rest of us.

Speak for yourself, Brandon Walsh.
posted by jimmythefish at 8:48 PM on May 30, 2007


I HAS POLEVAWLT?
posted by blue_beetle at 8:49 PM on May 30, 2007


I wish I could send this girl a card say that I've never heard of her, and that everyone will forget about that photo once something more distracting comes along.

You got my favourite, Miko, but you really nailed it when you said "no matter how good you are at what you do, you can never escape judgement, one way or the other, for the reaction of men to your physical appearance". Well put.
posted by Jilder at 8:49 PM on May 30, 2007


Enh, if the worst thing that happens to you this year is that you're found to be extremely attractive by random people on the internet, you're having a pretty fucking good year.
posted by Justinian at 8:51 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


no matter how good you are at what you do, you can never escape judgement, one way or the other, for the reaction of men to your physical appearance.

I don't care how many favorites you get for your comment, Miko, I think you're wrong to paint this like some sort of sexist issue. As humans, we are wired, down to the goop inside the nucleus of every cell in our body, to react positively to certain things. Youth, beauty, sex appeal. It's an animal reaction. And not just a male reaction.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:55 PM on May 30, 2007 [9 favorites]


This is a wonderful photograph. Iron Rat is right -- her pose is timeless. Consider the Doryphoros in relation to this picture -- there's a grace present in both which is beautiful to behold...and so very rare.

Ms. Stokke makes a good point: We -- the vast anonymous audience -- are not seeing her -- the person -- in this photograph. The unexpected congruency of mythological archetype and reality overwhelms all else. The photographer has captured an uncommon moment of beauty -- and we do not need to know the person herself to appreciate that aspect of the image.

(However, I would argue that this photograph is additionally an excellent portrait of a dedicated, skilled athlete -- whether she goes on to win a dozen Olympic medals or not.)
posted by Kikkoman at 9:01 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


It makes me angry that girls want to fuck me because I have money.

Because I don't.
posted by LordSludge at 9:05 PM on May 30, 2007


Among all the positive consequences of sudden fame (from merit AND good looks, BTW) her family chose to focus on negativity and danger. How small-minded.

You've obviously never been female.
posted by dobbs at 9:07 PM on May 30, 2007 [4 favorites]


Any attractive girl that doesn't know she's attractive by the age of 18 would have to be mentally deficient, which this girl clearly isn't. I'm sure she's used to getting attention for her looks.

She's getting attention for a pretty picture now. She'll also be favored by her teachers, rarely spend a Friday night at home, and never have to change or tire or be stranded anywhere as long as her looks last. Attractiveness has its advantages, too. Take the good with the bad.

This isn't a huge drama unless you make it into one. "I'm an internet celebrity." So? This changes your life how, exactly?

That's life; get over it and move on.
posted by misha at 9:07 PM on May 30, 2007


You've obviously never been female.

Well, Tiresias is a MeFi member, maybe we can ask him.

what?! if someone brings up the Doryphoros, then I can bring up farkin' Tiresias and link to the friggin' Waste Land
posted by Kattullus at 9:14 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


This photograph and heartwarming story of athletic achievement has vaulted her into the hearts of millions.
posted by redteam at 9:15 PM on May 30, 2007


It really is a fantastic shot. It makes her look several years older, so a lot of the OMG comments probably don't even realize she's still a teenager. On the video she looks a lot more like a normal teen. But this photo is a standout even among the other photos of her -- composition, lighting, pose. It could easily be a study for a sculpture.

Miko makes some good points, but really, the horse has left the barn on this one. It's awful to consider the millions of people guys making hubba-hubbas, but when you consider that each one is only adding 0.001% to the fracas, the social cost of doing that is very, very low, and it won't go away for her or anyone else. At another level, models are often discovered long before they're 18 and there was a period -- I don't know how much it's still true, as there's been a big trend back toward celebrities -- when underage models made up to look older were dominant for magazine covers. Not only isn't this new, but a lot of women have been able to handle the Male Gaze when it's even more intrusive.

Another point is that a lot of people seem to be assuming that the majority of the guys making crude, leering comments are, to put it bluntly, creeps old enough to be her father. Are we really sure about that? How many of them are her age, or even younger? How many of them are Duke lacrosse mailing-list types? (Not better, but at least misogyny without ephebophilia is more socially acceptable, for better or worse.)

There are a few people who deserve a little more opprobrium -- e.g. the guy who runs that sports blog site. It's interesting that he saw a spike from running her photo but wasn't able to translate those incoming links into regular readers (although the WaPo article has given him another spike). The MySpace is also a bit disturbing in the way it uses that flash app to make the eye "rove" across her photos. It pretty much makes it impossible to experience them as anything but an ogle.

Ultimately, though, I think this is one more example of how the internet amplifies things beyond one person's control, and you just sort of have to learn to ride it, or run away and hide. Wikipedia is just now going through a wrenching policy gearshift toward a much more restrictive approach to people caught up in events beyond their control. The site is now such a high Google result that basically an article on somebody like Stokke, or the fat Chinese kid, or Star Wars kid, is never going to go away. I'm not 100% sure I agree with this policy in every way it's going to be applied in the next year or so, but it looks inevitable. Jimbo doesn't want the site to encourage gossipy biographies. (For the moment, she doesn't have one.) That's not going to dent the way that internet memes spawn and spread, realistically, but it may prevent them from "going down in history".
posted by dhartung at 9:16 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


I heard Tony Kornheiser go on about this at a very macro level today for awhile. I think he conveyed what's to be accepted about this in terms of the media/internet reality, and what's wrong with it from a cultural and moral standpoint. While I enjoy his show, I hope she doesn't hear it, and instead reads this thread. If so:

Good luck at state Allison, and enjoy UCLA. Chance made you beautiful, your hard work made you smart and successful.
posted by MarvinTheCat at 9:21 PM on May 30, 2007


your hard work made you smart and successful

Maybe chance did those things too.
posted by Kwantsar at 9:23 PM on May 30, 2007 [3 favorites]


All of you people need a plate of beans.
posted by rhizome23 at 9:24 PM on May 30, 2007


Dave,

you may be right that it's an animal reaction, but in addition to being animals we are HUMANs. We are capable of making extremely complex evaluations of numerous phenomenon in order to derive thoughts that raise us above the primordial goop which we carry around in every cell of our body. That's the human reaction, not just a male reaction.

Are you repressing your inner human?
posted by C.Batt at 9:26 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Maybe chance did those things too.

Conceded. Yet I waited two hours for chance to bring me a plate of beans for dinner, and it didn't happen until I got off the couch and made it. But I still look the same from when I woke up this morning.

Come to think of it, I look like I did yesterday also, but had to make my beans then too. Weird.
posted by MarvinTheCat at 9:27 PM on May 30, 2007


We're talking about a single photograph, C.Batt. It is entirely about aesthetics. How's the air on that soapbox?
posted by rhizome23 at 9:30 PM on May 30, 2007


Oh boo fucking hoo. Cry me a goddamn river.

An extraordinarily flattering photo of an already attractive girl gets passed around the internet, and lots of people think the net result is very attractive.

"Oh, poor me, hundreds of thousands of people think I'm hot so now I'm gonna be maladjusted".

Please.

She's 18. She's old enough to go get shot at in Iraq for Bush's Folly, she's certainly old enough to be able to withstand a bunch of strangers admiring her flat stomach.

Do you have any idea how many millions of men have "admired" female gymnasts via ESPN for 30 years now? Or beach volleyball players in Sports Illustrated? This has nothing to do with "teh intarnet".

Grow up.

You would never, ever hear a man complain about this.

"You know, I'm a swimmer, and it makes me so upset that millions of women around the world think me and my washboard abs are hot. I'm not sure how I'll cope with having my choice of any mate I want. Now I'm gonna be in all the magazines, selling my own calendars and line of sportswear... god being rich and popular and talented and young SUCKS"
posted by Ynoxas at 9:30 PM on May 30, 2007 [9 favorites]


great photograph, beautiful girl. too bad she doesn't want the attention but that would be hard for anyone to handle. i wish her well.
posted by cell divide at 9:34 PM on May 30, 2007


To all the moralistic twits, saying stuff like, "How dare you talk about how beautiful she is. You should be talking about how great it is that she has accomplished so much":

The problem is, the whole conversation was started by a still photograph. We have no idea, from the photograph, whether she's any good as a pole vaulter. Her prowess in pole-jumping is not evident from the photo, but her physical magnificence is. So that's what people are discussing. There is such a thing as honest, wholesome appreciation of the human form, you know.

You're condemning people who are not having discussions that coincide with your pre-approved script. You can't blame people, who have the photo brought to their attention, for saying, "Yes, you're right, she IS hot."

By chiming in and condemning everyone who is saying she is hot, may think you are coming to the girl's defense, but keep in mind, by chiming in in this way, you are contributing to the unwanted attention that this girl is receiving. Because now, due largely to your ill-conceived moralistic jeremiads, the story has become "controversy stirred by high school pole jumper photo," so it can now be treated as a legitimate story (not just "check this hot chick out"). It's no longer just some geeks e-mailing her photo around. It's news outlets clamoring for an interview with her. And when people hear about the "controversy" of the sexy photo for which you moralistic numbskulls have fanned the flames, people's first question, of course, is going to be "damn, I'm curious, how hot can this girl really be." And then the story will spread even more widely.

You're like the book-banners whose efforts actually result in the sale of more books.
posted by jayder at 9:38 PM on May 30, 2007 [5 favorites]


Are you a pole vaulter?
No, I'm a Norvegian, and my name ain't Valter.
posted by Floydd at 9:38 PM on May 30, 2007 [5 favorites]


I wish I had a photo of myself as good as that. When she's 50, she'll be glad of that photo. That relaxed athletic pose is timeless.
posted by -harlequin- at 9:41 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Oh boo fucking hoo. Cry me a goddamn river.

An extraordinarily flattering photo of an already attractive girl gets passed around the internet, and lots of people think the net result is very attractive.

"Oh, poor me, hundreds of thousands of people think I'm hot so now I'm gonna be maladjusted".

Please.


I'd link to the relavant Kornheiser rant, but it's buried three quarters of the way into his two hour radio podcast. His point of disagreement wasn't about beautiful people lamenting the supposed burden of being beautiful and noticed therefore, but of privacy. He made two distinct points:

1. Those, regardless of legal age who seek the attention of others, i.e. models, actresses, musicians, have no right to complain when this sort of widespread viral attention occurs. They don't get his sympathy.

2. When those who do not seek this sort of mass attention have it thrust upon them simply because they were doing something in the public realm DO deserve some sympathy, and possibly protection and redress.

Franky, I'm more interested in what happens when all of us can be exposed for any reason to a mass audience at any time than the response you think this young woman should be having rather than the one she is.
posted by MarvinTheCat at 9:45 PM on May 30, 2007


One thing that neither she nor her parents seem to grok is that this is the interwebs - the attention span is notoriously short. By next week, they'll have moved on to the next underwater skiing sensation.

I'm really astonished that a) there are people paying this much attention to high school pole vaulting and b) that she finds it offensive. I'd be flattered myself, but then again, I'm one of those people who has to be the center of attention. ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME YET? LET'S MAKE THIS POST ABOUT ME.

Speaking of which: Any attractive girl that doesn't know she's attractive by the age of 18 would have to be mentally deficient, which this girl clearly isn't.

I dunno, I like to think I'm better than average in the looks department. (And yes, I do model, thanks for asking) and I'm no supermodel or internet celebrity, so maybe I don't know what it's like to be as beautiful as this girl, but I do remember what it's like to be 18 and awkward and thinking that everything about me is hideous. Of course, I wasn't nearly as pretty as this girl is when I was 18, but looking back, I certainly wasn't half as bad as I thought or felt.

Give the girl a break if she doesn't get that she's gorgeous, most 18 year olds are doing well if they understand that no, they really don't need to put a porkchop around their necks to get the dog to notice them.
posted by grapefruitmoon at 9:48 PM on May 30, 2007


MarvinTheCat writes 'Conceded. Yet I waited two hours for chance to bring me a plate of beans for dinner, and it didn't happen until I got off the couch and made it. But I still look the same from when I woke up this morning.'

Stop overthinking that plate of beans and I guarantee you'll be ten pounds lighter and twice as cute by tomorrow.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:52 PM on May 30, 2007


Franky, I'm more interested in what happens when all of us can be exposed for any reason to a mass audience at any time than the response you think this young woman should be having rather than the one she is.

Argh. That was tortured.

What I meant was, this may be more interesting as a privacy issue extending to everyone. For one, I don't relish being the "picked his nose at ate it" guy at the Cubs game, set to premier in August.
posted by MarvinTheCat at 9:53 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


I'm trying to summon some sympathy for her problem of being too attractive an athlete, but I just can't.
posted by TungstenChef at 9:54 PM on May 30, 2007


jayder,
Your skill at building straw men is awe-inspiring. Honest appreciation of the human form? Bullshit. No one is saying that you shouldn't be talking about how attractive she is. I'm a guy, and I like attractive girls, but I feel sorry for her. What bothers me, and what people are objecting to, is that she never asked to be masturbated to by thousands of strangers. She didn't want to be an object of lust. You might say, "Tough shit, it's the modern world. Deal with it." But it's still sad that she's forced into this situation.

And on top of that you have assholes like Ynoxas who point out that, of course, if you're attractive you can't have any problems because you're pretty, and all attention is good and not wanting it is stupid. Though he does get the point that a man would react differently, however crudely. As he also notes, this is not a new phenomenon, but the Internet makes it so much more widespread, and intrusive. As I said, the objectors here just find it sad for this girl.

If you want a non-sexual analogy, think of the Star Wars Kid story. Just some nerdy kid doing something stupid, like we've all done, yet he had the misfortune of having it taped and put online to become a joke to millions. But it's cool, right? It's just natural to laugh at stupid stuff, and he's a nerd anyway. And what's he complaining about, anyway? He's world-famous! Jesus. Some people are ridiculous assholes.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:55 PM on May 30, 2007


You've obviously never been female.

Oh, please. She's not in any more danger than she was before this. The risk she has as a female of being the victim of sexual violence come mostly from family and acquaintances.

And while I agree 100% with Miko's point about sexism and how that manifests as sexual objectification of women with the concomitant devaluing of other worth; I also find the "if you were her father/if you had a daughter" comments sickening. The fatherly instinct to protect the chastity of daughters is itself a notorious feature of patriarchal culture and has, additionally, a deeply disturbing underbelly of projection.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 9:56 PM on May 30, 2007 [4 favorites]


I quite like my soapbox indeed. In fact, I'm not done.

The photo is fantastic. It captures, as said above, a beautiful woman at the height of her powers. That being said, the powers she believes she's at the height of are athletic and not sexual - or rather, she wants to be known for her capabilities and not her beauty.

Yes, it's just one photograph. Yes, it's just another internet meme and will be forgotten in a few moments. But it clearly indicates what Miko was mentioning in her post, the fact that women are first judged by their looks regardless of what it is that they're trying to do. Looks first, everything else comes second - especially in snap judgment situations such as when looking at a single great photo on the web.

Who can blame her if she's put out, shaken up, and maybe even a bit scared by the response? Not everyone wants to be in the spotlight and some only want to be in the spotlight on terms in which they feel comfortable.
posted by C.Batt at 9:56 PM on May 30, 2007


Female paul vaulters have the best darn bodies.

Emma George. Woof woof!
posted by uncanny hengeman at 9:56 PM on May 30, 2007


Bugger.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 9:57 PM on May 30, 2007


Well, I encourage anyone who wants to take you seriously to do so, C.Batt.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:00 PM on May 30, 2007


"Oh, poor me, hundreds of thousands of people think I'm hot so now I'm gonna be maladjusted".

That is not what she's worried about.

You would never, ever hear a man complain about this.

Make that 'seldom, seldom' in place of 'never, ever' and I'll agree. It's called male privilege, and it's related to a lot of cultural things, but at its root it comes from the fact that men are on average larger than women and bear fewer of the consequences of sex.
posted by eritain at 10:01 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Shame on you pedophile perverts: she's in high school so she's probably UNDER LEGAL AGE. Or are y'all going to start citing the distinction between Pedophilia and Pederasty at me now?
posted by davy at 10:01 PM on May 30, 2007


Well, I in turn encourage you to grow a set and post something meaningful rather than three fatuous statements, rhizome23.
posted by C.Batt at 10:04 PM on May 30, 2007


And grapefruitmoon, I've done far worse than you but I prefer my "SO" -- who's so unclear on her gorgeosity that she won't even let me take a decent picture of her. And what's more, I have PROOF that she's Legal Age, I've seen her driver's license.
posted by davy at 10:04 PM on May 30, 2007


Whoops. I meant to encourage you to watch Oprah. I'm clumsy with language.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:07 PM on May 30, 2007


At her young age, body issues are HUGE, and I don't remember a single girl at 18 who thought she was pretty. Having a lot of strange men comment on how they want to give you pearl necklaces or have you suck their dicks (yes, I checked a few message boards) is generally not a positive development in one's life. And, let's not forget how tactful teenagers can be in real life, the ones that she will have to deal with on a face to face basis. Think any boys in her area might yell out a few things?

It will feel very threatening to her to see those comments. If I were her (patriarchy or no, EB) I'd be hiding behind my dad everywhere I went until this faded.

Luckily for her this will die down right quick, but everytime someone she meets decides to google her name to find out more about her, this will come up, and she didn't go looking for the attention. I'm not at all surprised her father is trying to see if there's any form of legal action he can take.
posted by Salmonberry at 10:08 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


This thread brings out the ugly truth in many of the people here, yes?
posted by Burhanistan at 10:09 PM on May 30, 2007


See Ynoxas, btw.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:12 PM on May 30, 2007


Even
posted by rhizome23 at 10:13 PM on May 30, 2007


This thread brings out the ugly truth in many of the people here, yes?

Like the ones who are convinced of their own superiority?
posted by TungstenChef at 10:14 PM on May 30, 2007


What do we win for framing a Fark one shot as a gender and sociological debate? Oh yeah. I forgot. Self righteousness.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:17 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


I love how she gives an interview to a fairly popular newspaper to protest all the attention she's been getting.
posted by O9scar at 10:18 PM on May 30, 2007


She's the victim, O9scar.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:18 PM on May 30, 2007


Another point is that a lot of people seem to be assuming that the majority of the guys making crude, leering comments are, to put it bluntly, creeps old enough to be her father.

Well, FWIW, I'm a creep old enough to be her father, and that picture is hot. I'd guess she was 22 or 23.
posted by Malor at 10:21 PM on May 30, 2007


Meme or 12chan fan club?
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 10:27 PM on May 30, 2007


I've met a few men who get catcalled by women and are really disturbed by it. They're exceptions; most men I know don't really "get" why the comments are so damned intimidating and disconcerting. I think that the difference is that most men I know are used to receiving genuine compliments or none at all. They think having someone shout "sexy!" at them from a passing car would be really cool. They haven't experienced comments that equate them to a thing to be used, called out by people who think they should be appreciative to hear it. They don't understand how being told someone thinks you're hot can be anything other than empowering.

There's a large difference between a genuine compliment, even from a random person, and harassment. Several people here have explained it well already, but I think it's difficult for some people to really "get" it until they've been on the receiving end.



You're like the book-banners whose efforts actually result in the sale of more books.


I don't think anything I say here can top being posted to Metafilter to begin with in terms of its impact on her net popularity.
posted by Tehanu at 10:28 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


Christ, what a bunch of assholes.
posted by mandymanwasregistered at 10:33 PM on May 30, 2007 [3 favorites]


Shame on you pedophile perverts: she's in high school so she's probably UNDER LEGAL AGE. Or are y'all going to start citing the distinction between Pedophilia and Pederasty at me now?

My experience is that people who know they are making basic errors and make it clear they just don't care, typically don't realise how shocking this appears to people not part of the (mainstream American?) anti-intellectual persuasion.

It really is a depressing trait.
posted by -harlequin- at 10:35 PM on May 30, 2007


I'd just like to point out at this juncture that as a result of that photo being posted across the internet, Stokke got a request from a "risqué magazine in Brazil" to do a photo shoot.

This isn't "just" thousands of internet admirers, girlwatchers and outright pervs. And even if it was, do you want that sort of attention thrust upon you unwittingly? The point isn't that you shouldn't think of her as attractive or hot; the point is she never wanted to be known for that, and certainly not to a huge audience of strangers who will never know anything else about her.

The idea that "she should just get used to it because she's hot" is pragmatic advice, I suppose, but I wouldn't exactly call it an ideal response.
posted by chrominance at 10:35 PM on May 30, 2007


MetaFilter: Christ, what a bunch of assholes.

It had to be done.

Also, this is still not as good as the golfer chick licking the banana trophy. (Mildly NSFW)
posted by chlorus at 10:38 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Just stoking the Allison Stokke story by posting another Van Halenesque tribute about her.

I get up, and nothing gets me down.
You got it tough. Ive seen the toughest around.
And I know, "Alison Stokke, "just how you feel.
Youve got to roll with the punches to get to whats real
Oh cant you see me standing here,
Ive got my back against the record machine
I aint the worst that youve seen.
Oh cant you see what I mean ?
Might as well jump. jump !
Might as well jump.
Go ahead, jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
Aaa-ohh hey you ! how said that ?
Baby how you been ?
You say you dont know, you wont know
Until we begin.
Well cant you see me standing here,
Ive got my back against the record machine
I aint the worst that youve seen.
Oh cant you see what I mean ?
Might as well jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
Might as well jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
(guitar solo)
(keyboard solo)
Might as well jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
Get it and jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
posted by thedailygrowl at 10:39 PM on May 30, 2007


Female pole vaulters have the best darn bodies.

Emma George. Woof woof!


Males for that matter, too. Probably coz you need to use just about every muscle in your body. "Core strength" as well.

But if you look at something simpler like plain old chin ups and how few females can do them properly… a female pole vaulter is truly an Amazon to behold!
posted by uncanny hengeman at 10:40 PM on May 30, 2007


Let me break it down for everyone. She's pretty. It's a good photo. Shove the rest of your cheap platitudes up your ass then please post about how it makes you feel. Because that's all this thread is about now.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:41 PM on May 30, 2007


I just shoved the platitudes up my ass, and it made me feel all funny inside, rhizome23.
posted by Justinian at 10:45 PM on May 30, 2007


That means you were right all along, Justinian.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:47 PM on May 30, 2007


Let me break it down for everyone. She's pretty. It's a good photo.

Good photo? Pretty? I hardly noticed. For me it's the body.

Emma George has a head like a dented-in jerrycan, but holy crap she's got a fantastic body. I'd crawl over broken glass just to poke matchsticks in her shit.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 10:55 PM on May 30, 2007


You're obviously an investor in "THE PATRIARCHY", uncanny hengeman. I bet you're gay.
posted by rhizome23 at 10:59 PM on May 30, 2007


I have no real qualms about feeling morally superior. Feels fine. Thank you and good night!
posted by Burhanistan at 11:01 PM on May 30, 2007


I do not understand.

She is not a cat.

There is no caption.

????
posted by Artw at 11:04 PM on May 30, 2007 [17 favorites]


I think she's attractive, and it's a great photo of her, but it must suck to have your picture posted to the internet for a bunch of people to drool over without approving it. It's not like she's suing everyone from kingdom come, so I don't think she's overreacting.
posted by Snyder at 11:04 PM on May 30, 2007


News flash: young, fit females are attractive to many members of the opposite sex. ZOMG! Science! Next we'll discover that this is somehow related to evolution!

As for the photo: the pose is great, although the 3/4 view of her face does break a rule of portraiture where her nose breaks the line of her cheek. The visual appeal of a narrow depth of field makes up for this. I'm guessing it was shot with a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens. Personally, I'm lusting after that lens more than the girl.
posted by mullingitover at 11:20 PM on May 30, 2007


So I'm just going to say what I'm thinking.

She's attractive. Very attractive. I'm not denying that. I don't think anyone is.

Bit why is this an FPP?

How is this anyting other than a continuation of "oggle the hot chick"?

I did my fair share of oggling when I first saw these pictures. But aside from mega exposure via the internet, how is she any different than any of the super hot athletes at my school?

Why a post on the blue? Why this site?

These are not rhetorical questions. This isn't a snark, persay, at least not outright. I really want to know why this hasn't been deleted yet. I feel like I've missed something.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 11:21 PM on May 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


mullingitover: I'm trying to hard to agree with you on the lens thing, but I can't see the forest bokeh for the trees hot chick.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 11:24 PM on May 30, 2007


I can attest to the level of skill required to pole vault well. In fact, to my mind, it is by far the most technically difficult discipline in athletics. I had competed in virtually every track & field event during my teenage years and was lucky enough to have an olympic medal winning decathlete as a kind of advisor/mentor. I'd always done well at the jumping and sprint events and was so-so at the throwing disciplines. So by the time I was in the last year of school, I had in my mind the idea of extending my regimen to include pole vault with the hope of performing in a decathlon event one day. So I did maybe a month's prep. which basically consisted of 'having a bash' at run up and plant and vaulting over low heights with a couple of more knowledgeable people watching and giving some feedback --- in other words, not serious, but not altogether casual either.

By this time I was required to compete in the men's competition --- ie. just adults --- and this would be my first attempt at vaulting. From memory I *think* this was about the last time I actually competed in athletics, not least reason being because when I did compete in that first pole vault event and won, my final leap saw me sailing well over the end of the landing mats and getting a colles fracture of my left wrist. School soon ended and I went into a career that kind of interferred with continuing with athletics seriously so it wasn't just the broken arm or fear or whatever that kept me away.

Anyway, all power to anyone who can do that fucking sport successfully - I still like to watch the competitions but I always have mixed feelings about it of course.
posted by peacay at 11:45 PM on May 30, 2007


Interestingly enough, this entire kerfuffle started on shacknews with

Somewhat amusing to me.
posted by Lord_Pall at 11:47 PM on May 30, 2007


Let's try this again. It started with This Post.
posted by Lord_Pall at 11:47 PM on May 30, 2007


Why a post on the blue? Why this site?

FARK + Righteous Indignation = Metafilter Gold!!!
posted by blenderfish at 11:49 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


You talked and talked and over-thought and talked and while you were talking and thinking your plate of hot polevaulters went cold and stodgey.

I hope you're happy with yourselves.
posted by The Monkey at 11:50 PM on May 30, 2007


If not for this FPP, it is unlikely I'd ever have had the joy of viewing that beautiful photograph. Yea, me, a gay man, finds joy in her beauty.

And the woman is 18. She isn't a child or a 'girl'. She's a woman. Quit trying to frame it as though she's just a kid. That's as sick as anything else going on here. Do you get your bone on by accusing people of being peverted? Nothing perverted at all about appreciating that beauty. In fact, it's healthy.

So, she's also a brain? Now that is dangerous. OMG, she might learn that she can distract silly men with her looks while using her brain to take an advantage. Worse, if she does it right, they'll thank her for it. Very dangerous indeed.

Rob511: Thank you for your kind efforts. Unfortunatly, none of the photos you linked were nearly as special as the OP. Funny enough, I'm not sure I've ever noticed pole vaulters before. (perhaps because I grew up watching track events, the track being near the house).
posted by Goofyy at 11:53 PM on May 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


Sorry to rain on the irony party, but this IS what it's like for a girl: no matter how good you are at what you do, you can never escape judgement, one way or the other, for the reaction of men to your physical appearance.

I dunno, Miko. I can hear what you're saying, and it resonates to an extent, but I think you and this girl are engaging in a bit of an overreaction with respect to the relationship between an image and the supposed reality behind that image.

Everyday we chance upon visually attractive things. A nice piece of architecture, a flower, a landscape, an appealing person passing in the street, a photo of this or that. In this case, it's a nice photo of a girl. When we have no more information to go on, our sole criterion is visual, so to judge something as appealing or unappealing in visual terms is simply all we can do. It's not saying that the non-visual reality of those things is irrelevant, just that we don't know anything about it.

The building has many stories, for example, the flower & landscape fit into complex biological & geographical systems & the person in the street & in this photo have their own non-visual qualities, good or bad. However, if we encounter them only as images, then that's the basis on which we react to them.

In this case, we have a tiny bit more information upfront: she appears to be an athlete. So, we have an attractive picture of an apparent pole-vaulter. Still nothing more upon which to judge, unless we venture into stalker-territory & start googling, in which case we might find out that she's an accomplished cellist, with bipolar disorder & a penchant for seafood.

At this point, we have crossed over from the image-only basis into a deeper understanding, at which point I wonder what the complaint is against: evaluating "her" on one single photo, or seeking out the person behind the photo? It seems that if people are going beyond the image, then they are seeing the bigger picture, whereas those who respond to the image alone are simply responding to an image, and leaving the person herself totally out of it. You can't have it both ways, and I get the feeling that you and Ms Stokke are fudging the boundaries between these two very different things.

There's no doubt that women are often reacted to, in part, according to their appearance, but this does not mean that appearance is always a major consideration. Those at extreme ends of the attractiveness curve, for example, might find it to be a major factor in how people treat them, whereas for the majority in the middle, the effect may not be that significant. Conflating the extremes with the majority does nothing for the power of the argument that women are always rated visually.

Now, where are my beans?
posted by UbuRoivas at 12:05 AM on May 31, 2007 [4 favorites]


There is no caption.

I HAS A POLE
INVISIBLE WALL I'M HOLDING UP
IS IT CAN BE JUMP TIEM NOW PLEES?
I HAS A ARMPIT
THAT MAH BUCKIT OVER THERE?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 12:18 AM on May 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


CitrusFreak12: But why is this an FPP?

It's a privacy issue. Kind of like the Prisoners of YouTube.

Being a celebrity is difficult, even for Hollywood actors and actresses who actively court the media. It must be even more difficult for someone like Stokke who's become a celebrity involuntarily.

It's also a technology issue, because this wouldn't have happened without the Internet.

This is why I don't put any photos of my children on the Internet, no matter how cute they are.

pyramid termite: all i can say is that going to the washington post about it might not have been the best way to deal with this

I'd have to disagree. It's a chance for her to get her side of the story across to the public, so that people realize she's a person too, not just an object of lust. I'd say it's worked, at least to some extent: whoever was behind the "unofficial fan site" has taken it down, for example.
posted by russilwvong at 12:22 AM on May 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Wha makes the photo hot is that she looks competent and controlled, in command of her destiny.

Competent -- being really good at someting, whatever that is -- tis hawt, regardless of gender.
posted by orthogonality at 12:39 AM on May 31, 2007


women spend a lot of time, money and effort to appear beautiful to others in our society.
when one achieves this recognition and others comment on it, there's always a posse of women objecting to this, trying to denigrate the male commenters as creeps/slaves to their gonads/whatever. i believe this has been going on since the pleistocene. i can hear oona hectoring grok "no grok, sheela is more than a pair of tits in a bearskin, she wants to be appreciated for her mind." as always, grok reassures her that he appreciates sheela for this too.
my theory: the posse is resentful that it wasn't one of them who received this recognition. underneath their disparagement of men, they're cursing their fate to be born less beautiful than say, allison stokke, and the consequences of this fate on a planet as totally unfair as earth. she'll always get a second interview for whatever she applies for, many of the posse members won't, and i agree this is unfair, but i did not create this situation and can do nothing to change it, which means it's not my problem, it's your problem. all i can do is express my condolences, and suggest that there's a beautiful woman inside of most plain girls struggling to get out, and she can be most readily assisted by 1) a positive attitude, and 2) a competent photographer.
posted by bruce at 12:47 AM on May 31, 2007 [4 favorites]


As mentioned above, one option would be to find a good sports agent and at least try and make some money from this fiasco. Usually it is only the rich and famous that have to endure (or exploit) this type of fandom so she might well consider trying to make something from it.

As a professional photographer, I also have a bit of sympathy for whoever took the shot - that much coverage and reproduction of one image without any benefit or recognition. (Unless I've missed something..?)

(It's worrying that idiots from across the world think that this myspace profile is actually her.)
posted by Kiell at 12:52 AM on May 31, 2007


Hmm, ok since I'm home from work I can now see what all the fuss is about. Wow am I about to become unpopular.

I'm quite serious. No one is saying the woman isn't good-looking -- just that she didn't seek attention as a sex symbol.

Hmm, 45 favorites for basically denying others the right to see of you what they see fit? A lot of insecure people around here.

Some see beauty. Some see talent. Many see both. And some of those people are moronic, forehead-salivating (thanks Brian B!) frat boys. How dare they think what they want of me!

Oh please. Do grow up.

I can attest to the level of skill required to pole vault well. In fact, to my mind, it is by far the most technically difficult discipline in athletics.

Egads, you think so? Way back in high school I lucked into the 3rd regional spot the only time I ever tried it, having no experience and zero idea regarding technique. And yeah, the regionals were full of people who had it down to an art, but it is just one thing, done over and over. It's not brain surgery, people. That doesn't mean she doesn't deserve respect, of course. My thing is long distance running, and that's just putting one foot in front of the other. But this whole "pole vaulting is soooo hard" stuff is kinda beside the point, too.

Most athletics is insane practice of one tiny thing over and over, about which practically no one outside of your field will appreciate.

Wha makes the photo hot is that she looks competent and controlled, in command of her destiny.

Do I really have to throw you 50 photos of confident looking, ugly people of either sex? Seriously, that wasn't even a competent dodge. This thread is so full of BS a flush wouldn't clear it.
posted by dreamsign at 1:28 AM on May 31, 2007


"I worked so hard for pole vaulting and all this other stuff, and it's almost like that doesn't matter. Nobody sees that. Nobody really sees me."

YOU JUMPED OVER A BAR WITH A POLE AND GRADUATED HIGHSCHOOL, PLEASE TAKE THIS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AND BE OUR PRESIDENT.
posted by dgaicun at 1:42 AM on May 31, 2007 [4 favorites]


Nope, MetaFilter isn't a boyzone.

Right. Keep on telling yourselves that.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:55 AM on May 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


"Boo hoo hoo, I'm a successful, attractive athelete - life's so unfair."
posted by jiroczech at 1:55 AM on May 31, 2007


YOU JUMPED OVER A BAR WI