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Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?

champthom — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:32:06 -0800

In 1965, Peter Watkins produced a fictional documentary called The War Game in which the aftermath of thermo-nuclear attacks in Britain was depicted. The BBC declared that it was "too horrifying for the medium of broadcasting" and was not aired until 1985. Watch it here (warning: graphic depictions of effects of radiation). Related, When the Wind Blows (parts 1 , 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 , 7, 8), a sober animated tale of a British couple who try and survive nuclear holocaust based on the civil defense manual "Protect and Survive." (Previously).

By: aeschenkarnos

aeschenkarnos — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:34:56 -0800

I remember reading the graphic novel version of When The Wind Blows at the age of perhaps nine, and being scared witless by it. Back then, some of us really did think it could happen to us.

By: pruner

pruner — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:39:19 -0800

Excellent... I've been wanting to/meaning to see The War Game for a while.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:52:14 -0800

good post

By: telstar

telstar — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:04:25 -0800

for us eschatology freaks, this is pure porn. Fav'rit!

By: jonson

jonson — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:11:39 -0800

aeschenkarnos - me too! Particularly troubling was the fact that When the Wind Blows was a sequel of sorts to Gentlemen Jim, the comic novel so similar to all Raymond Brigg's other stuff to date, imaginarty, good natured, sweet. WTWB absolutely devastated me as a little kid, and reading it today gets me teary eyed.

By: jodrell banksmeadow

jodrell banksmeadow — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:13:16 -0800

By: nanojath

nanojath — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:15:43 -0800

I figured I'd just watch the last part of When the Wind Blows, on the theory that it would be horrible and depressing. Bingo! aeschenkarnos, do you honestly no longer believe that this could happen? There are something like 30,000 nuclear bombs out there. Just wanted to end the day on a bright note!

By: mattoxic

mattoxic — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:16:20 -0800

Threads is truly horrifying. Well worth a look

By: infini

infini — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:18:33 -0800

when the wind blows is my all time favourite graphic novel. In fact I'd recently pulled out my copy to read. thanks for the post!

By: mattoxic

mattoxic — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:23:07 -0800

Tis a good post, and in the spirit of the horrordoc, this is pretty darn good too Smallpox

By: jiawen

jiawen — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:29:37 -0800

Wow, the animation is amazing. How it shifts between 3D and 2D -- it looks like they did most of the 3D bits fully by hand, without CGI. Amazing.

By: Merik

Merik — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:37:40 -0800

This reminds me of the Terry Nation series: Survivors Similar to what you posted mattoxic, only done 28 years earlier. Its about a group of people who survive a virus that wipes out 95% of the population in a few days. Full selection of episodes on googtube. (first episode)(episode list) Turns out the bbc is remaking this series this year.

By: mattoxic

mattoxic — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:49:14 -0800

Merik thanks heaps, I remember this as a youngster. Fantastic, there WAS nothing on TV tonight.

By: davelog

davelog — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:52:58 -0800

Is the War Game worse than Threads? Because Threads fucked me up hard when I saw it as a teenager.

By: kid ichorous

kid ichorous — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:06:55 -0800

I've converted to using Threads as a yardstick for measuring psychological stress and sheer insomniac panic, and it's way better than the English system. For example, watching The Ring in the wreck of a flaming Delorian ranks in at exactly 0.3 Threads (0.3T), equivalent to watching Threads with your hands covering 70% of your field of vision. Remember your significant figures, folks.

By: kid ichorous

kid ichorous — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:08:22 -0800

That is, remember how scary Dr Who was when you were 5? That is how Threads affects adult minds.

By: Mblue

Mblue — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:08:30 -0800

If you duck, cover and use your fallout calculator, you'll be fine.

By: mattoxic

mattoxic — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:14:43 -0800

I remember the seeing the Day After at school in the early eighties, I had already seen Threads and thought, heh, that's nothing on Threads. Then I got beaten up by Damien Murphy.

By: Merik

Merik — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:16:20 -0800

glad to bring it back for you mattoxic :)

By: andywolf

andywolf — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:19:24 -0800

thanks a ton for this, i randomly saw "when the wind blows" ages ago and love that movie. it comes to mind on occasion and i don't know anyone else that's seen it, i get a blank stare whenever i tell people about it, doesn't help that i forget the name. anyway, i'm rambling, i didn't realize it was a graphic novel. who made it? so i can track it down.

By: PenDevil

PenDevil — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:21:23 -0800

I took When The Wind Blows out of our public library when I was 12. I was depressed for two weeks after that.

By: stammer

stammer — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:48:42 -0800

Is the War Game worse than Threads? Because Threads fucked me up hard when I saw it as a teenager. No, it's not as bad. Not as overwhelmingly apocalyptic, and not as gross (no amputations or melting corpses). A lot of memorably grim scenes, though, and worth watching as an example of extremely inventive low-budget filmmaking. Watkins was definitely ahead of his time. His other movies are very good also.

By: pax digita

pax digita — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:56:01 -0800

Testament came out about the same time as Threads and was upsetting enough; the only way I ever intend to watch the latter is if I can stay drunk through the entire viewing.

By: vbfg

vbfg — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:02:23 -0800

I managed two seconds of When the Wind Blows just now. As soon as I saw the couple it brought back seeing it when I was young and crying for a long time afterwards. I don't want to cry at work.

By: vbfg

vbfg — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:06:50 -0800

i didn't realize it was a graphic novel. who made it? so i can track it down. Raymond Baxter. He's also responsible for unleashing Aled Jones on an unsuspecting public. This is either considerably less or considerably more horrific, depending on your point of view.

By: ninebelow

ninebelow — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:08:48 -0800

I watched The War Game a couple of years ago when the British Film Institute released it on DVD making it available for the first time. It was harrowing stuff, particularly the triage section. I'm pretty young - almost post Cold War - but even so they used to love this sort of stuff at school. We read When The Wind Blows and Brother In The Land. Are there a load of eco-catastrophe books that are going to become standard texts for given today's little kids nightmares? Nuclear war kinda pwns global warming for inducing terror. I guess that is part of the problem.

By: ninebelow

ninebelow — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:11:46 -0800

Raymond Briggs. And Aled Jones wasn't in The Snowman so its hard to blame him for that.

By: vbfg

vbfg — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:14:13 -0800

Doh, Briggs. Not the Tomorrow's World guy.

By: humblepigeon

humblepigeon — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:30:19 -0800

It's difficult to underestimate the effect these documentaries had on British people. For a while, people really thought inuclear war would happen. My mother told me recently that she had a plan if the nuclear klaxons started sounding back in the 80s. She intended to run to my school so she could be with my sister and me during our last few minutes alive. It was genuinely terrifying stuff.

By: rongorongo

rongorongo — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:44:16 -0800

Don't worry kids - just Duck and Cover like Burt (who has some cheery backing vocalists to accompany his Armageddon).

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:47:35 -0800

Wonderful. I read the comic / graphic novel as a kid or early teenager, saw the movie, too. Actually, it's kinda funny that the nuclear weapon thing seems to have fallen off the popular agenda since the end of the cold war. Back in the day these were produced, there were anti-nuke political parties making waves around the world, movies like The Day After terrifying people, and seriously large protest marches, at least on Hiroshima Day. These days, nobody seems to really live in that fear of impending nuclear attack or winter any more, even though the threat is probably greater, what with ex-Soviet nukes disappearing like polar icecaps...

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:48:29 -0800

* cues London Calling

By: electriccynic

electriccynic — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:57:16 -0800

Curse you metafilter. I've just spent the last twenty minutes on an apocalyptic fiction binge, and now I'm sick, nauseous and in dire need of a new brain. Or maybe it's radiation poisoning.

By: louche mustachio

louche mustachio — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:26:50 -0800

Wow. When the Wind Blows is just devastating. I don't even know if I can watch it again. Not that you shouldn't see it if you have not, because it's brilliant. But it's very sad.

By: imperium

imperium — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:03:47 -0800

Topical. On the day of the first Parliamentary vote in British history against a nuclear weapons system. yes, the Scottish Parliament, not Westminster, hence the wording, but hey, the missiles are based in Scotland.

By: autodidact

autodidact — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:16:31 -0800

THANK YOU for posting When The Wind Blows. I haven't seen it for fifteen years!

By: andraste

andraste — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:36:02 -0800

Both of these, plus Threads, seriously freaked me the shit out as a teenager. When the Wind Blows is just gutwrenching.

By: adamvasco

adamvasco — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:18:34 -0800

Complementary to both of these films I recommend The Third World War - The Untold Story By Gen Sir John Hackett NYT review/>

By: gimonca

gimonca — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:01:48 -0800

The Wikipedia article on The Day After has interesting detail on the production and shooting, and some of the behind-the-scenes controversies.

By: WPW

WPW — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:08:54 -0800

One of the most creepy things about Threads - which is amazing, I have it on DVD - is that, as its Wikipedia entry states, it's an optimistic view of nuclear war. Despite the unspeakable horror and slaughter, central government survives (albeit at medieval-despotism level) and recovery begin. That, my friends, was the best-case scenario for full nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union, the rose-tinted version. Which makes watching it all the more difficult and disturbing.

By: unSane

unSane — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:29:34 -0800

I can remember watching THE WAR GAME in a drafty methodist church hall with a lot of other young people in around 1981/2. People think about the '50s being the atomic age but I thought about nothing more than being vaporized by atomic bombs during about 79-85. My nightmares were all about mushroom clouds. My grandfather lived next to a nuclear bomber airfield which made me especially nervous when we went round for tea, since it was a first strike target.

By: kittens for breakfast

kittens for breakfast — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:32:19 -0800

For true horror, consider the fate of the director of Threads, who left the UK for Hollywood and a career directing such modern classics as...The Bodyguard (yes, the one with Whitney Houston and Kevin Costner) and Volcano (yes, the one with Tommy Lee Jones and a big fucking volcano). Seriously, what the hell happened there?! (Threads is an incredibly good, powerful movie, and I thank God I saw it for the first time a few years ago -- as an adult. My heart goes out to anyone who saw it as a kid; letting your kid watch this may qualify as child abuse.)

By: vbfg

vbfg — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:39:12 -0800

Threads was shown to a generation of British school kids at school, fwiw. That's where I first saw it.

By: kittens for breakfast

kittens for breakfast — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:43:33 -0800

Yeah, that would NEVER have flown here. Well, maybe you could have shown it to high school kids.

By: kimota

kimota — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:09:03 -0800

So, was On The Beach the Day After/When The Wind Blows of the previous generation, or did it fail to make a dent in the universe in 1959?

By: Artw

Artw — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:46:03 -0800

After watching Threads I needed a hug.

By: acro

acro — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:51:12 -0800

kimota... I was scrolling down to post likely the same link ;)

By: acro

acro — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:54:01 -0800

Cover image from On the Beach (Nevil Shute)

By: The Card Cheat

The Card Cheat — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:57:13 -0800

I read this book a little while back, and while it was a sobering read in general, there was one bit of (bleak) hope offered in regard to the prospect of nuclear war; almost all military commanders hate the idea of all-out nuclear war. Not because it would result in the end of civilization as we know it, but because it renders their profession irrelevant (i.e. there will be no use for cunning military strategy, ground troops, etc. during a nuclear war). Based on the comments here, there is no way I am ever going to watch Threads.

By: acro

acro — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:07:08 -0800

Mblue's radiation calculators--Inside the Making of 'Dr. Strangelove' tells how they used them as promotional items at theaters when the film opened...

By: davelog

davelog — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:17:21 -0800

Based on the comments here, there is no way I am ever going to watch Threads. Oh, but you should, though. It's disturbing as fuck, but with the cold war looking like it might ramp back up, it should be seen by this generation. I know it showed me possibilities and implications that I hadn't considered, and reinforces with a heavy hand the thought that we as human beings should do anything possible to make sure something like that NEVER happens in real life. You need to see it. You also need to plan on a week of very little sleep.

By: atrazine

atrazine — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:42:27 -0800

hese days, nobody seems to really live in that fear of impending nuclear attack or winter any more, even though the threat is probably greater, what with ex-Soviet nukes disappearing like polar icecaps... Sure, but one or two nukes going off wouldn't be as horrifying, the real horror of films like Threads is that there is nowhere to go. Even if you survived, there is no-one coming to get you out of your shelter and to safety.

By: The Card Cheat

The Card Cheat — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:43:10 -0800

I hear you, davelog, but I'm an '80's kid, and I've already had enough nuclear war nightmares to tide me over until the real thing.

By: meehawl

meehawl — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:45:07 -0800

Thanks. Several months ago my Michigan-born wife and I sat down to watch Threads. I hadn't seen it since I was a teenager. She stopped watching after around 30 minutes, horrified and professed herself unable to continue. She says now she understands when I became a cynic. My Dad's told me how The War Game similarly affected him.

By: brundlefly

brundlefly — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:21:26 -0800

Great post.

By: allaboutgeorge

allaboutgeorge — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:25:02 -0800

*wonders if paperback copies of Pat Frank's "Alas, Babylon" and Jonathan Schell's "The Fate of the Earth" are greppable at home*

By: HyperBlue

HyperBlue — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:16:51 -0800

Great posts and all, but is anyone actively doing anything to counter the nuclear threat? Did any of these films dating back some 40-odd years put a stop nuclear proliferation? Has anyone given you or I better training than that pamphlet in When the Wind Blows provided? Does Amurica still have idiot leaders that entertain the use of pre-emptive nyukular strikes? [crickets chirping] nope, didn't think so. Fuckit then, there are worse ways to die and I'm not going to be bothered wondering which Boogyman has my name. Debussy's Clair de Lune in Threads was pretty though. Perfect musical sentiment to go with the mild depression that accompanies hopeless resignation. Somebody get me my Soma.

By: davelog

davelog — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:25:30 -0800

Fuckit then, there are worse ways to die and I'm not going to be bothered wondering which Boogyman has my name. I think the point is, in this scenario it's better to die right off. There aren't worse ways to survive.

By: HyperBlue

HyperBlue — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:49:59 -0800

Luxurious, deep underground, well-stocked bunkers for the rich, powerful, and privileged. Different Faces of Death for the rest of us. And so it goes.

By: vbfg

vbfg — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:55:22 -0800

Threads was shown to a generation of British school kids at school, fwiw. That's where I first saw it. And having just watched it again, I was reminded of the entire class breaking out in mass hilarity when the woman pees herself. That was also the moment the first bomb goes off. Tsk. Kids.

By: jessenoonan

jessenoonan — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:51:08 -0800

To steer slightly away from cold-war-kid nuclear angst (in which I have previously indulged,) the dvd from which that youtube version of The War Game was taken also includes Culloden, which is well worth watching. Worst sentence structure ever. Not editing. Also see Watkins' Punishment Park. HyperBlue, davelog: we must not allow a mineshaft gap.

By: andywolf

andywolf — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:06:25 -0800

fallout 3 trailer.

By: jbickers

jbickers — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:38:35 -0800

Anybody remember Special Bulletin? Can't seem to find it on the video sites, but I remember it messed with me pretty bad at the time.

By: stinkycheese

stinkycheese — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:48:23 -0800

Oooh, Punishment Park. That was great. Nthing the being permanently scarred by these shows, esp. "Threads". Does anyone remember Carl Sagan being interviewed after "The Day After" premiered? It was live as I recall, and he was being asked questions by a couple of guys in suits. Dr. Sagan was asked about the realism of the preceding film, and patiently explained that, in the event of a real nuclear war, not only would you have the horrible deaths caused by the explosion and the resulting radiation, but that huge clouds would rise up into the air and block out the sun, and that there would be a nuclear winter, and basically all life on Earth would end. And one of these guys said, "well, if we weren't depressed before, we certainly are now".

By: spitbull

spitbull — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:53:32 -0800

It's hard to find, but the 1988 Steve De Jarnatt film "Miracle Mile" scared me more than any other nuclear apocalypse on film. It fucks the viewer up by means not dissilar to *When The Wind Blows,* but it's set in LA, and with real actors, and with a terrifying cinematic trick that takes your breath away when it happens. I cannot recommend it enough, or at all. It was that good/awful. And yes, we've forgotten about it, but we live in the shadow of this fate every single day. And now that Russia is rattling sabers, and Iran becoming a flashpoint, and Israel a cornered tiger, and China a world power, and North Korea an unchecked rogue state, and the US a global imperial bully, and India and Pakistan ethnonationalist antagonists, how long can it be before we start to see, and then accept, a certain level of nuclear holocaust as (like AIDS and climate change) just part of the modern world. And thus did we decline and fall with a series of bangs and whimpers. God damn. And it's such a beautiful day today too.

By: Senor Cardgage

Senor Cardgage — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:11:12 -0800

Stinkycheese, I heard about that and have been wanting to find a copy for YEARS! Spitbull, that movie ruled

By: Artw

Artw — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:12:04 -0800

To be honest Yanqui "after the bomb" type films never really had the same impact on me. Part of that would be that it wasn't a familiar, everyday setting to me, but a lot of it would be the "real actors", and the make up, and the glossy sheen of the decent filmstock and lighting. British nuke films shiot to make everyone and everything look like ass and with all-over-the-place acting by the local am-dram society just seemed so much more real to me. (Plus as a kid I'm not completely sure I thought of America being bombed as that bad a thing. Sorry guys. )

By: spitbull

spitbull — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:17:27 -0800

Nuclear war knows no borders, Artw. I wouldn't expect a child to know that, but as grownups we see that no one wins the day it starts. No one. Anyway, trust me on Miracle Mile. Every death is individual, in the end. This is no less true when everyone is dying, horribly. Stripped of the ideological messages, no matter how important or grotesque they may be, it's just about pain and loss. Miracle Mile nails this by personalizing the story completely, not to "dramatize" any general condition, but just to tell a very sad story. I need to see it again, now, and soon. I'm just watching the scene in The War Game where the constables are putting the writihing dying out of their misery with pistols. Jesus Christ.

By: Senor Cardgage

Senor Cardgage — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:26:22 -0800

Important to note about Miracle Mile is that I believe that once the countdown starts, the film progresses in pretty much real time. Not positive about that, but I believe so.

By: davelog

davelog — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:46:49 -0800

Anybody remember Special Bulletin? Hell yes. There are VHS copies of it floating around on ebay.

By: thedaniel

thedaniel — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:58:18 -0800

do you honestly no longer believe that this could happen? There are something like 30,000 nuclear bombs out there. War. War never changes.

By: Neilopolis

Neilopolis — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:14:34 -0800

Ah, yes, Punishment Park. That's another Watkins flick well worth seeking out (although I mean "flick" in the most facetious way, of course). Nice post!

By: gimonca

gimonca — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:36:32 -0800

Special Bulletin was great for its almost-parody of cheesy news graphics, and especially the very end bit: "And in other news...."

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:55:05 -0800

Miracle Mile's available from Amazon and Netflix.