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June 24, 2007 11:26 PM Subscribe
US Serviceman arrested in Sydney for allegedly grooming a teen for sex. The teen turned out to be a police officer, however the US wish to handle the case themselves. Why would that be?
Topical here, especially in light of this.
This post was deleted for the following reason: Blech. Short news article on guy busted for attempted ephebophilia = not a quality post. -- cortex
They say harsher US penalties and court martial proceedings overseas do not outweigh any potential deterrence value gained from the publicity of a successful Australian prosecution.
What is the penalty for this in Australia?
posted by delmoi at 11:51 PM on June 24, 2007
What is the penalty for this in Australia?
posted by delmoi at 11:51 PM on June 24, 2007
There's a pretty standard clause in alliance treaties to the effect that if our servicemen commit crimes that we retain the right to try them by court martial instead of submitting them to local justice.
Under that treaty clause we can waive that and yield up servicement to local criminal justice. That happened a couple of years ago in Japan WRT some American servicemen who were convicted of rape in Japanese courts and are currently serving prison sentences there.
But usually we don't. A couple of American pilots flying in the mountains of Italy a few years ago ran their jet into a cable holding up a cable-car at a ski resort. The cable-car crashed to the ground and everyone in it was killed. The Italians wanted to try the pilots, but the US tried them instead.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 11:51 PM on June 24, 2007
Under that treaty clause we can waive that and yield up servicement to local criminal justice. That happened a couple of years ago in Japan WRT some American servicemen who were convicted of rape in Japanese courts and are currently serving prison sentences there.
But usually we don't. A couple of American pilots flying in the mountains of Italy a few years ago ran their jet into a cable holding up a cable-car at a ski resort. The cable-car crashed to the ground and everyone in it was killed. The Italians wanted to try the pilots, but the US tried them instead.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 11:51 PM on June 24, 2007
In my least snarkiest voice I wish to express my opinion that this is not really a very good post. There are very few details and I'm not sure why an isolated case of chatroom sting deserves special mention anyway. Low level newsfiltery.
posted by peacay at 12:02 AM on June 25, 2007 [3 favorites]
posted by peacay at 12:02 AM on June 25, 2007 [3 favorites]
David Wayne Budd
New of the Weird used to have a section every week where they listed felonies committed by people with the middle name "Wayne", with the theory being that such people were more likely to commit crimes. While this might be statistically dubious, this is the first thing I thought of here.
posted by hupp at 12:03 AM on June 25, 2007
New of the Weird used to have a section every week where they listed felonies committed by people with the middle name "Wayne", with the theory being that such people were more likely to commit crimes. While this might be statistically dubious, this is the first thing I thought of here.
posted by hupp at 12:03 AM on June 25, 2007
The piracy case in the second link was discussed here previously
posted by bystander at 12:28 AM on June 25, 2007
posted by bystander at 12:28 AM on June 25, 2007
dudd- I've always heard it as Lee, Ray or Wayne.
posted by showbiz_liz at 1:12 AM on June 25, 2007
posted by showbiz_liz at 1:12 AM on June 25, 2007
To my American ear, the phrase "to groom [someone] for [something]" sounds really off. To me it meanssomething along the lines of to train someone, over a period of time, for an event.
posted by notsnot at 3:13 AM on June 25, 2007
posted by notsnot at 3:13 AM on June 25, 2007
While this might be statistically dubious, this is the first thing I thought of here.
If there's any truth in that, it might be because parents put (or used to put, anyway) standard names first and hide the relatively crap names in the middle only to please someone's brother Wayne or uncle Ray, or because it was a family surname. The name wasn't supposed to be used anywhere except in official papers. It's only when one little Johnny grows up and kills someone that they dig out the middle name, probably because the reporters are copying the police and the police are being carefully specific in reading from the official records.
So even if the guy was generally known by two more typical names, if he kills someone, Lee Oswald becomes Lee Harvey Oswald, John Gacy becomes John Wayne Gacy, Jim Ray becomes James Earl Ray, and so on. Killing someone makes you more likely to become a three-namer, and a three-namer is more likely to have one of those odder names in the mix.
posted by pracowity at 3:17 AM on June 25, 2007
If there's any truth in that, it might be because parents put (or used to put, anyway) standard names first and hide the relatively crap names in the middle only to please someone's brother Wayne or uncle Ray, or because it was a family surname. The name wasn't supposed to be used anywhere except in official papers. It's only when one little Johnny grows up and kills someone that they dig out the middle name, probably because the reporters are copying the police and the police are being carefully specific in reading from the official records.
So even if the guy was generally known by two more typical names, if he kills someone, Lee Oswald becomes Lee Harvey Oswald, John Gacy becomes John Wayne Gacy, Jim Ray becomes James Earl Ray, and so on. Killing someone makes you more likely to become a three-namer, and a three-namer is more likely to have one of those odder names in the mix.
posted by pracowity at 3:17 AM on June 25, 2007
To me it meanssomething along the lines of to train someone, over a period of time, for an event.
Isn't that exactly what they are talking about: coaching some kid to eventually have sex?
posted by pracowity at 3:20 AM on June 25, 2007
Isn't that exactly what they are talking about: coaching some kid to eventually have sex?
posted by pracowity at 3:20 AM on June 25, 2007
The Italians wanted to try the pilots, but the US tried them instead
yes, they tried them alright. But then, in the good ole times a Marine who killed a bunch of krauts and wops could expect a medal, this guy got himself a trial instead. luckily, justice was swiftly done.
there's something to be said for a pilot who's flying his plane and suddendly finds a cable-car full of tourists cross his path -- how fucked up is that, why did they invade American air space with their runaway cable-car?
*snicker*
PS the American bad faith in this case was so evident that they even had to release to Italian authorities an Italian citizen convicted for a Black Panther robbery in the US who was doing time in an American prison, that's how shameful that reverse-kanagaroo court verdict in the streetcar case was
posted by matteo at 4:15 AM on June 25, 2007
yes, they tried them alright. But then, in the good ole times a Marine who killed a bunch of krauts and wops could expect a medal, this guy got himself a trial instead. luckily, justice was swiftly done.
there's something to be said for a pilot who's flying his plane and suddendly finds a cable-car full of tourists cross his path -- how fucked up is that, why did they invade American air space with their runaway cable-car?
*snicker*
PS the American bad faith in this case was so evident that they even had to release to Italian authorities an Italian citizen convicted for a Black Panther robbery in the US who was doing time in an American prison, that's how shameful that reverse-kanagaroo court verdict in the streetcar case was
posted by matteo at 4:15 AM on June 25, 2007
Well, here's a simple idea. Let the aussies have him, then when he gets out of prison the US can try him and send him to prison. It's win-win for everyone.
Well, almost everyone, but as he's a sexual predator it's not like we care what he thinks!
(this post appears courtesy of my new Daily Mail reader's letter emulation software...)
posted by kaemaril at 4:17 AM on June 25, 2007
Well, almost everyone, but as he's a sexual predator it's not like we care what he thinks!
(this post appears courtesy of my new Daily Mail reader's letter emulation software...)
posted by kaemaril at 4:17 AM on June 25, 2007
To my American ear, the phrase "to groom [someone] for [something]" sounds really off. To me it meanssomething along the lines of to train someone, over a period of time, for an event.
It's standard professional terminology (yes, in the US) for adults vamping on teens for sex. Whether it's your funny uncle or a guy on MySpace.
He said such a move was allowed under a bilateral "status of forces agreement'.
Wait, does that line still work? Oh, wait, I think I skipped over something.
posted by dhartung at 5:08 AM on June 25, 2007
It's standard professional terminology (yes, in the US) for adults vamping on teens for sex. Whether it's your funny uncle or a guy on MySpace.
He said such a move was allowed under a bilateral "status of forces agreement'.
Wait, does that line still work? Oh, wait, I think I skipped over something.
posted by dhartung at 5:08 AM on June 25, 2007
wait...wait...somebody *please* tell me he was trying to "groom" a teenaged blackfella up north...*PLEASE*!
posted by UbuRoivas at 5:38 AM on June 25, 2007
posted by UbuRoivas at 5:38 AM on June 25, 2007
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