Butterfly Kisses - International Female Girl love Collective

July 8, 2007 12:52 PM

Butterfly Kisses is a group of women who love little girls. A group to change the "knee jerk" reaction to "controversial" topics as sexual love between a woman and a girl. (Yes, appears to be real...)
posted by IronWolve (38 comments total)

I did a search, didnt see it as a repost.
posted by IronWolve at 12:55 PM on July 8, 2007

Gee, it's NAMBLA, only pastel. You've come a long way, baby.
posted by FelliniBlank at 12:55 PM on July 8, 2007

Girl of the month seems to be only available to those who log in, and tempted though I might be, I'm *definitely* not going there.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 1:00 PM on July 8, 2007

There's no good in this.
posted by From Bklyn at 1:07 PM on July 8, 2007

The International Female Girllovers Collective (IFgLC) was formed in 2001. It was inspired by the struggle of many women and girls (my emphasis) through the years to have their love recognized and accepted by society, governments, religions and the law.

Really? Do little girls struggle to get some hot women-girl action? I've must have missed those demonstrations...
posted by Foci for Analysis at 1:10 PM on July 8, 2007

There's not. My CreepyMeter said, "Listen, don't click on that 'Poetry' link," but I disregarded it and got an eyeful of the Industrial Strength Creepy. Ugh.
posted by FelliniBlank at 1:10 PM on July 8, 2007

Interestingly enough, while it's not a double the site did come up in a previous incarnation about five years ago in Metatalk—hi, Migs!—where a travel-weary Matt argued the letting-dirty-secrets-be-exposed angle in the long and contentious thread.
posted by cortex at 1:13 PM on July 8, 2007

Without clicking on the link, my gut says male pedophiles behind all of this.
posted by Ironmouth at 1:14 PM on July 8, 2007

I remember a sequence from the Vagina Monologues in which the woman from that show (too lazy to google her) related the sexual awakening of a young girl by an older woman.

Later I asked the woman with whom I saw the show if she thought that was glorifying the sexual abuse of a minor. She said no it did not and in fact it was beautiful. The other young woman with us concurred.

That struck me as a little hypocritical.....and creepy. Not that I condone any abuse at the hands of adults male or female. It was just weird to me that these women (professed feminists) would accept that as reasonable behavior from an adult female.
posted by strontiumdog at 1:17 PM on July 8, 2007

I misread the first part of that last comment as Viagra Monologues.
posted by tula at 1:24 PM on July 8, 2007

Ugh. Not right.

That's my "kneejerk" reaction to this, and I'm sticking with it.
posted by WPW at 1:24 PM on July 8, 2007

Ironmouth - I kinda wondered the same thing; if this isn't some sort of effort by NAMBLA to try and legitimize male homosexual pedophilic eroticism, by seeing if society gives female homosexual pedophilia a warmer reception.

(And I know, I'm using the term 'pedophilia' loosely, there is a difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia, etc.)

I didn't visit the site, haven't decided if I want to. Sounds like a good way to get a "Joe's Flower Delivery" van parked permanently outside your house.
posted by Kadin2048 at 1:29 PM on July 8, 2007

Agreed, strontiumdog. Seems odd and wrong for this to be less creepy than oft-punchlined NAMBLA. But such is our difference in perception of the sexes.
posted by supercres at 1:29 PM on July 8, 2007

Sorry, should read: "less creepy, however slightly..."

Because it is creepy.
posted by supercres at 1:31 PM on July 8, 2007

I ran across this a few years ago. Pretty damned creepy, and now the original butterfly kiss (brushing the skin of a loved one with your eyelashes) is forever ruined for me.
posted by lekvar at 1:32 PM on July 8, 2007

@strontiumdog: Seems to me as if there's a kind of unspoken sexist assumption there, namely that a girl needs someone to "wake up" her (presumably latent) sexuality, while that's not necessary for a boy, hence why girl/woman sexual contact is more acceptable than boy/man, at least to some people.

I'd like to hear the actual feminist justification for that, because I don't really get it.
posted by Kadin2048 at 1:34 PM on July 8, 2007

@tula

Viagra Monologues - the new show from Colin Quinn, or Denis Leary, or ah take your pick.
posted by strontiumdog at 1:35 PM on July 8, 2007

Ironmouth: Thank you for your informed, constructive opinion.

I for one find it easy to accept that various lesbians, especially the bull dyke manhater variety, would prey upon little girls. Thus I find it a bit disheartening that your instant reaction is to blame men. I am, of course, not suggesting that all lesbians are pedophiles. Far from it, yet I acknowledge that sexual predation is not limited to any particular subset of society.

I quickly browsed through the personal stories, and though many of them were posted by people with male names there was plenty of reason to believe many of them were just females who have chosen male sounding names for themselves.

Most disturbing was the mother who described a 2-year sexual relationship with her 10 year old daughter. yick.

on preview: like lekvar, the term butterfly kiss is forever tainted for me.
posted by polyhedron at 1:39 PM on July 8, 2007

@kadin2048

I don't get it either. Of course, I will never understand the female of the species.
posted by strontiumdog at 1:40 PM on July 8, 2007

I for one find it easy to accept that various lesbians, especially the bull dyke manhater variety, would prey upon little girls

Not stereotyping much, are we?

Women are capable of abuse, too; I don't think anyone denies that. My feeling about the site (without reading it) is that it's probably the work of a very small group of individuals of both sexes.
posted by jokeefe at 1:44 PM on July 8, 2007

Yuk. I need to wash my brain out with soap.
posted by triggerfinger at 1:49 PM on July 8, 2007

Far from it, yet I acknowledge that sexual predation is not limited to any particular subset of society.

Not limited, but if you look at the actual evidence distribution, male sexual predators probably outnumber female sexual predators by many hundreds to one.

Therefore, if I were a gambling man, I'd usually be happy to bet that a man was behind something like this. In this instance, I think the tone of the site undermines that notion, but I see no reason whatsoever to assume that these are bull dykes rather than femme dykes or lesbians of no particular persuasion one way or the other -- other than simply being attracted to other females.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 1:52 PM on July 8, 2007

Erm. Not going to click the link. Why would this be something we want to link to on MeFi? Why has nobody asked this question already?

*flags and moves on*
posted by nthdegx at 1:54 PM on July 8, 2007

I know "various lesbians, especially the bull dyke manhater variety," and every one, to a woman, would sooner pluck out their own large intestine than engage in the behavior this website condones.

This isn't sexuality, this is a mental disorder.
posted by lekvar at 1:54 PM on July 8, 2007

Can never listen to the song butterfly kisses again. THANKS YOU BASTARDS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgZftrobqlg
posted by IronWolve at 1:55 PM on July 8, 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgZftrobqlg
posted by IronWolve at 1:55 PM on July 8, 2007

jokeefe: Perhaps a little much. I've personally known a few"bull dyke manhaters" who were deranged enough that sexually exploiting their daughter(s) in an attempt to prevent them from accepting men (in particular the girls' father) was not beyond them.

Not all bullish dykes are manhaters, fwiw. Yet you can't tell me there isn't a subset of lesbians who despise men merely for owning a dick, I've met them (much to my displeasure).

Steering back toward the topic, am I getting the right impression that mefites are somehow more accepting of this form of child abuse than if the perpetrator was male?
posted by polyhedron at 1:58 PM on July 8, 2007

Why has nobody asked this question already?

See cortex's link above.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 1:58 PM on July 8, 2007

If you look at the evidence, you find that female sexual predators are massively underreported. When a man abuses a girl, it's a crime. When a woman abuses a boy (or girl), it is often seen as a gift. Doesn't get called out as much.

Thus the recent spate of teacher/student news stories, as more and more kids realize it isn't better just because it was a woman instead of a man.
posted by dwivian at 1:58 PM on July 8, 2007

"am I getting the right impression that mefites are somehow more accepting of this form of child abuse than if the perpetrator was male?"

No. Can we delete the thread now, please?
posted by nthdegx at 1:59 PM on July 8, 2007

Googling the URL seems to bring up a lot of disgust around the website, but no one seems to have sourced out whether or not it's real, or just male fantasy - which seems unlikely to me - or....well, it's the internet. Who knows.

Anyways. Gross.
posted by Salmonberry at 1:59 PM on July 8, 2007

This is not the best of the web.
posted by Afroblanco at 2:00 PM on July 8, 2007

If you look at the evidence, you find that female sexual predators are massively underreported.

Underreported, perhaps. Massively? I've not seen any evidence to suggest that.

How are all these female rapists, sex killers and abusers managing to avoid detection?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 2:03 PM on July 8, 2007

wow, that site has been up since 2002?! And its still active and not many people talk about it....
posted by IronWolve at 2:04 PM on July 8, 2007

The FBI had some good reports on sexual predators, and females made up about 1/2 of them. If we just watch the news, mostly male predators are in the news. I think that classifies as massively.
posted by IronWolve at 2:07 PM on July 8, 2007

PeterMcDermott: I did not mean to imply that only bull dyke manhaters would perpetrate lesbian pedophilia. But I certainly did find enough evidence of their presence on the site (enough for me anyhow), and my own experience has shown me people I have plenty of reason to beleive could be capable of such things.

Furthermore my response was in the context of the wild, baseless, and irresponsible assertion by Ironmouth that he beleived this must be run by men. When taken in that light my gratuitous use of stereotype does not strike me as exceptionally egregious, merely illustrative and colorful use of language. Take it for what you will.

Due to longstanding societal biases I find it difficult to accept that the statistics accurately reflect the incidence and distribution of sexual abuse.
posted by polyhedron at 2:09 PM on July 8, 2007

"See cortex's link above."

Sorry, missed that. I remember that MeTa thread. I have to say I don't agree, but I guess that was clear already. I don't particularly understand the motivation for posting links to these sites - given that most people have said they're not going to click and don't want to look, what's the point?

Seeing as cortex has commented and it appears the thread is staying I might be tempted to respark the discussion in MeTa. I didn't put my two pennies in last time ;)
posted by nthdegx at 2:10 PM on July 8, 2007

I confess I would have liked some of my females teachers to have taken advantage of me.

Especially my 10th grade homeroom teacher. Damn, was she hot.
posted by strontiumdog at 2:10 PM on July 8, 2007