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Iranian man stoned to death for adultery after serving 11-year prison sentence
July 20, 2007 10:19 AM   Subscribe

Iranian man stoned to death for adultery after serving 11-year prison sentence. Unsuccessful, unofficial investigation here. Amnesty International pleads for life of his partner.
posted by shivohum (44 comments total)

 
you know, maybe we -should- bomb these crazy fuckers.
posted by quarter waters and a bag of chips at 10:24 AM on July 20, 2007


Fundamentalists are the same drain on the rest of us everywhere they exist.
posted by SaintCynr at 10:27 AM on July 20, 2007


Yes, only America should be allowed to execute people.
posted by chunking express at 10:27 AM on July 20, 2007 [4 favorites]


hell yeah! let's bomb 'em--come on, let's bomb 'em all! cause killing hundreds of thousands of completely innocent citizens of another country ourselves is the best response when the people in that country kill some of their own. hell, let's just do it for fun this time! come one, boys! bring on the robot armies! sharpen those machetes! pile more wood on the fire!
posted by saulgoodman at 10:32 AM on July 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


Let's take their oil. That'll teach em.
posted by TrialByMedia at 10:34 AM on July 20, 2007


saulgoodman writes "hell yeah! let's bomb 'em--come on, let's bomb 'em all! cause killing hundreds of thousands of completely innocent citizens of another country ourselves is the best response when the people in that country kill some of their own. hell, let's just do it for fun this time! come one, boys! bring on the robot armies! sharpen those machetes! pile more wood on the fire!"

::::cough:::::
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 10:36 AM on July 20, 2007


Let's remember folks, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Sha'ria law and Islam itself.
posted by inoculatedcities at 10:38 AM on July 20, 2007 [6 favorites]


Iranian man stoned to death for adultery after serving 11-year prison sentence.

You shall not commit adultery.

Finally, someone is upholding God's law on Earth.
posted by three blind mice at 10:38 AM on July 20, 2007


MetaFilter: youtube with better grammar.
posted by Firas at 10:38 AM on July 20, 2007 [4 favorites]


Hopefully the woman will avoid the fate of her lover. Iran needs a new government. One that executes fewer people, amongst other things.
posted by chunking express at 10:42 AM on July 20, 2007


MetaFilter: grammar with Youtube.
posted by phaedon at 10:50 AM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


It does make you wonder why, does it not? They don't stone everyone to death who pops out of prison. Why this guy? What is the back-story here?
posted by Bovine Love at 10:56 AM on July 20, 2007


You know who else was stoned to death? That's right: The 70's.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:08 AM on July 20, 2007 [5 favorites]


It's at least kind of refreshing to see a man get stoned instead of just women. I had always had the impression that women were usually the only ones to get punished in adultery cases like this.
posted by tastybrains at 11:09 AM on July 20, 2007


I try and be pretty cosmopolitan and accepting of the views of others. I understand that there are cultural differences and something that I might find offensive might not even be given a second glance elsewhere...

But stoning is just barbaric, and any group or culture that condones it is not as good as cultures that don't. Period.

If you belong to a group of people that thinks that it's acceptable to throw rocks at someone till they're dead, then your culture is not as good as mine. Doubly so if you do with without trying them in an impartial court, and triply so if it's for something that the person has already been punished for.

You are a violent mob. That is not a good thing.
posted by quin at 11:09 AM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


This is going to turn into a more pathetic retread of the Yezidi stoning thread, meaning people are going to draw equivalences between stoning and the American death penalty, some people will try to distinguish the two while condemning both, and others will just snark.
posted by Falconetti at 11:13 AM on July 20, 2007


and others will just snark

Got you covered.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:14 AM on July 20, 2007 [3 favorites]


This is going to turn into a more pathetic retread of the Yezidi stoning thread, meaning people are going to draw equivalences between stoning and the American death penalty, some people will try to distinguish the two while condemning both, and others will just snark.

Well, yeah, I mean I don't really see the specific significance of this particular stoning case over any other.

I don't even know if it's the actual stoning itself that bothers me. I mean, it's horrible and cruel and really disturbing, but I don't particularly enjoy the thought of hurting / killing anyone. What has always disturbed me about the stonings that make the news is the reason, which is usually adultery (which sometimes refers to widows getting it on), or women being a little too loose for their family's / community's standards. The fact that such small potatoes issues that I think can be solved by a good dysfunctional family yelling match are being "solved" by breaking a person's head open with ROCKS ... well, that's what's disturbing to me.

But still, it's nice to see that it's not always the women. That's the only thing that really caught my eye about the article.
posted by tastybrains at 11:27 AM on July 20, 2007


I remember seeing a brief online videoclip of an actual stoning in Iran or somewhere. Not that I'm particularly keen of watching it again, but has anyone else seen it or know where it is?
posted by JaySunSee at 11:28 AM on July 20, 2007


Stonings just seem so odd to me. I mean, where do the stones come from? If I were right now to decide to stone the guy outside my window, I would have to spend at least a half-hour collecting stones to be able to do it. Either there are places in this world with a superabundance of stones, or people are carefully planning to stone someone, and assembling their arsenal. And, if that's the case, why get so caveman? Who so primitive? If you're already scheming to kill, isn't there a better way? If you're planning on sending a message, can't you be cleverer?

It's like when they crush people under walls as punishment. What -- do they have a wall they are just not using? Or do they build a wall for the express purpose of crushing someone?

Seriously, what the fuck?
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:29 AM on July 20, 2007


What are you trying to do Astro Zombie? Invite Yul Brenner and the Iranian National Rock Association into mefi?
posted by srboisvert at 11:41 AM on July 20, 2007


"It's at least kind of refreshing to see a man get stoned instead of just women."

"But still, it's nice to see that it's not always the women."


When they stone women, you have a problem: a murderously misogynist state. When they stone mostly women, you have two problems: a murderous state and a misogynist state.

I'm not thinking that's an improvement.
posted by Riki tiki at 11:44 AM on July 20, 2007


And this was just adultery.
I can't imagine what happens to people who parody Harry Potter spoilers.
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 11:48 AM on July 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


I'm not thinking that's an improvement.

I guess before I just thought that men had nothing to lose by having affairs with women, raping women, etc, all of these situations for which women get stoned. I do think it is an improvement that men have a deterrent as well. I'm certainly not saying it's a good thing.
posted by tastybrains at 12:01 PM on July 20, 2007


To Answer your question Astro Zombie:

They often have children gather the stones in small piles before hand and back in the day they sold stones... you wanted JUST the right size, you know. So you wouldn't throw your shoulder out.

As for the wall thing. Yes they often just build a pile of bricks - barely a wall - and pull it or bulldoze it over on to the sinner.
posted by tkchrist at 12:03 PM on July 20, 2007


Astro Zombie, whenever I hear about this sort of thing, it always seems to be broken masonry bricks that are being used. Maybe they are finding old houses/ walls to tear down to get the killing implements.

I want to make a joke about using something that is ready and on-hand to do the task, something about how in an office we would stapler someone to death, but honestly I just can't bring myself to try and find anything amusing in this punishment.
posted by quin at 12:05 PM on July 20, 2007


Background: Iran begins executions for adultery and other violations, July 10, 2007.

According to Amnesty International, "in 2006, 91 per cent of all known executions took place in six countries: China, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan and the USA...at least 1,010 people were executed in China during the year...Iran executed 177 people, Pakistan 82 and Iraq and Sudan each at least 65. There were 53 executions in 12 states in the USA."
posted by kirkaracha at 12:05 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


There were 53 executions in 12 states in the USA.

EXECUTION GAP!!!

We are sixth! How dare we be number six! The USA must strive to be only Number One.
posted by tkchrist at 12:08 PM on July 20, 2007


tastybrains: fair enough, but since no one's demonstrating that this is a reversal of previous male immunity we should assume that this deterrent hasn't done much to deter the cases we've seen before.

Indeed, I'd guess that this type of case only serves to further demonize women in these communities; now they're not just guilty of being temptresses, but their seduction can get you killed. We should probably enforce even harsher penalties against a woman who would dare display her ankles!
posted by Riki tiki at 12:12 PM on July 20, 2007


Ok. In Utah you can sign up to be on a firing squad. I'm assuming the selection process would require a test of one's marksmanship. So is there a sign up sheet for stoning? Do they test people's arms? (radar gun?), or do they have professional stone throwers?
posted by Gungho at 12:17 PM on July 20, 2007


It's at least kind of refreshing to see a man get stoned instead of just women. [...] But still, it's nice to see that it's not always the women. That's the only thing that really caught my eye about the article.

In the same way that it's "nice" to see that women also get raped in US prisons... I suppose.
posted by kid ichorous at 12:20 PM on July 20, 2007


China, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan and the USA

The US is in some great company there.
posted by chunking express at 12:20 PM on July 20, 2007


EXECUTION GAP!!!

Come on Texas, you're not trying. There must be a retarded child or two floating around in the prison system down there just waiting...
posted by Aversion Therapy at 1:20 PM on July 20, 2007


If you believe the Bible is the literal word of God, how could you possibly oppose this? It's right there in black and white. At least the Iranians are consistently applying their bronze age morality, unlike all those salad bar Christians and Jews who aren't stoning adulterers and people who gather sticks on the Sabbath.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 1:58 PM on July 20, 2007


Let's remember folks, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Sha'ria law and Islam itself.

Bears repeating. No, I don't care that the Bible condones stoning - because I don't believe in the Bible, and it has nothing to do with this particular incident.
posted by chlorus at 2:23 PM on July 20, 2007


Let's remember folks, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Sha'ria law and Islam itself.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what little I've read that appears to be misleading. Apparently, it's true that stoning for adultery is not prescribed in the Koran, but there are many references in the Hadith describing Muhammad ordering people to be stoned to death.

Now this may not be representative of the "best" interpretation of Islam or the Sharia, but...
posted by shivohum at 2:34 PM on July 20, 2007


The middle east, the gatekeeper to our spectacles of tolerance.
posted by nervousfritz at 2:34 PM on July 20, 2007


Death by Stoning: the Bible vs the Quran compares prescribed punishments by stoning.

Bible: 13*
Quran: 0

* "Disobeying parents"? I'm screwed. And if "touching Mount Sinai" means what I think it means it's gonna be even worse.

Everybody must get stoned
posted by kirkaracha at 5:45 PM on July 20, 2007


Another soul goes home to god, good one god, you're the best, thank fuck there is only one of you.
posted by mattoxic at 6:24 PM on July 20, 2007


Somehow I think my sarcasm didn't translate.

While it's true that the Koran doesn't explicitly mention stoning as punishment, sha'ria law in practice comes from many different sources (the Koran but equally so from the hadiths and fatwas proclaimed by Islamic scholars throughout recent history) and this more definitively embodies the reality of what today might be termed Islamic jurisprudence. It is this repugnant, barbaric tradition that endorses the Bronze-age idea of stoning people to death for adultery.

Of course if you take the Christian or Hebrew Bibles literally seriously, you'd be obligated to believe all manner of dim draconian nonsense. All the more reason to anesthetize faith in whatever incarnation it reveals itself trudging out into modern life to murder normal people for imagined cosmic injustices.
posted by inoculatedcities at 7:14 PM on July 20, 2007


From the first article: Mohammad Ali Abtahi says Islam has the capacity to adapt itself to time and place.

Mohammad Ali Abtahi should open his eyes.

Islam (as it is practiced in Iran) is the biggest hindrance for many countries to adapt themselves to the 21st centurty. There is a strong correlation between the political influence of Islam and the degree in which that country is stuck in the dark ages -- countries where Islam rules (the most extreme example was Afghanistan under the Taliban) are living hells. Those where Islam is held in check (e.g. Turkey) prosper.
posted by sour cream at 2:13 AM on July 21, 2007


Kirkaracha: Death by Stoning: the Bible vs the Quran compares prescribed punishments by stoning.

This is relativist horseshit.

The legal system in Western countries goes way beyond what it says in the Bible and what some clerics make out of it.
It is precisely because we have realized more than 200 years ago (in an era called enlightenment) that the Bible is full of bunk that we have developed our legal traditions and are now lightyears beyond this crap. We honor our priests, but we sure as hell wouldnt want them to be our judges. Sure, even our legal systems are not perfect, but I am glad that we are past stonings, sawing off hands and executing minors for having a drink or holding hands in a park.

Those that advocate the rule of Sharia, on the other hand, are stuck in the mentality of camel herders from 500 years ago.
posted by sour cream at 2:20 AM on July 21, 2007


Independent thought Islamophobia alarm!
posted by Krrrlson at 10:01 AM on July 21, 2007


Islamignorance alarm!
posted by asok at 4:33 AM on July 22, 2007


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