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Daily Kos vs. Bill O'Reilly
July 20, 2007 11:46 AM   Subscribe

Bill O'Reilly got word that Jet Blue was sponsoring the YearlyKos convention. He sent a camera crew to confront the CEO of JetBlue, asking why they were supporting radicals. He has spent the week comparing DailyKos to the KKK and Nazi websites. He spent the majority of his radio and TV shows discussing this "hate" site. He said the right-wing equivalent of Kos was Fred Phelps. Jetblue caved and apologized. Has someone ever misunderstood a website this bad?
posted by DougieZero1982 (90 comments total)

 
Has someone ever misunderstood a website this bad?

....
posted by neustile at 11:49 AM on July 20, 2007 [3 favorites]


Just Penisland.
posted by Lord_Pall at 11:51 AM on July 20, 2007 [7 favorites]


This is a story I've been following and tried my best not to link mediamatters and C&L stuff....

It's amazing how he chose to got to war against a very very mild democratic/liberal activism site.

...Radicals ,KKK, Nazi website?.... I mean.... I don't even think that's close.
posted by DougieZero1982 at 11:53 AM on July 20, 2007


Um, Bill? The Pope is a primate.
posted by grobstein at 11:54 AM on July 20, 2007 [6 favorites]


Maybe Jetblue decided that' it's better for their image to not be involved with the Raging Retards at Kos.
posted by rockhopper at 11:56 AM on July 20, 2007


Someone said "The pope is a primate" as a anonymous poster in a comment section on Kos.... Dosen't Bill know how the internet works?
posted by DougieZero1982 at 11:56 AM on July 20, 2007


This is bullshit. O'Reilly and right-wing talk radio is just as partisan as DailyKos. The issue with DailyKos (and many blogs) is that anyone is free to comment, including crazies and racists and even people who pretend to be the opposite of what they are in order to bring embarressment and criticism.
posted by bhouston at 11:57 AM on July 20, 2007


You know who I feel sorry for? The adult children and grandchildren of the curmudgeonly senior citizens who will be harangued about DailyKos based on what they heard about it on the O'Reilly show when they go home in upcoming weekends.
posted by deanc at 11:58 AM on July 20, 2007 [5 favorites]


So, O'Reilly's basis for condemning the site is that he considers some comments that were made on it to be offensive. Comments that were not moderated by the site's management prior to their being posted.

I'm pretty sure MySpace has more offensive stuff than this posted every day. MySpace is, of course, the same company as Fox.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 11:59 AM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


MySpace isn't in the running for Single Biggest Liberal Website, EMRJKC'94.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:05 PM on July 20, 2007


DailyKos is about as exciting as watching paint dry... It's a boring site.

He's crying wolf... What's he going to do when the KKK and Nazi's get together and create a really popular site.
posted by DougieZero1982 at 12:05 PM on July 20, 2007


Bill O'Reilly is trolling again? If we pay attention to him, surely he will stop!
posted by brain_drain at 12:06 PM on July 20, 2007 [6 favorites]


... the Raging Retards at Kos.

Hm, I haven't been around much in the last few months. Was there a 'September event'? Perhaps an influx of O'Reilly fans? It's just that sometimes it seems as though I can feel the average IQ drop suddenly....
posted by lodurr at 12:07 PM on July 20, 2007


including crazies and racists

Instead of just the host?
posted by inigo2 at 12:07 PM on July 20, 2007


What's he going to do when the KKK and Nazi's get together and create a really popular site.

Join?





C'mon, somebody had to say it.
posted by lodurr at 12:08 PM on July 20, 2007 [4 favorites]


Hm, I haven't been around much in the last few months. Was there a 'September event'? Perhaps an influx of O'Reilly fans? It's just that sometimes it seems as though I can feel the average IQ drop suddenly....

No, rockhopper's just going for the ParisParamus Resident Idiot Award for '07.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:08 PM on July 20, 2007


it's better for their image to not be involved with the Raging Retards at Kos.

So it's better to cave to the pressure of the Marching Morons at Fox?
posted by tkchrist at 12:11 PM on July 20, 2007


Who is it you think misunderstood Kos? Not O'Reilly, surely. It's 100% deliberate.
posted by DU at 12:13 PM on July 20, 2007


Daily Kos ... just like the KKK.
posted by Wulfgar! at 12:15 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


The only people who pay attention to Bill O'Reilly are Crimean War veterans and people who like to be outraged on the internet. What do you say we destroy half his audience in one fell swoop by not giving a fuck what some asshole says?
posted by ND¢ at 12:18 PM on July 20, 2007


< obligatory>

Christ, what an asshole.

< / obligatory>
posted by kittens for breakfast at 12:18 PM on July 20, 2007


I really hope Colbert picks up the Primate thing.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 12:20 PM on July 20, 2007


The irony of O'Reilly and Malkin accusing anyone of hating pegs the meter.

Rockhopper obviously knows not of what s/he speaks.

Next on Falafel Bill's list: those raging nutroots lieberals at Mefi!
posted by nofundy at 12:22 PM on July 20, 2007


I don't think Bill O'Reilly being an idiot is really news anymore. However I love any link to my shameful crush Michelle Malkin.

Sure she's pure evil, but other than that she's great. (I said it was shameful)
posted by Bonzai at 12:23 PM on July 20, 2007


Daily Kos vs. Bill O'Reilly

Isn't it more like O'Falafel vs. JetBlue? Like others upthread I find KOS kinda boring. Now, if they were really to take on O'Dildo I might start reading them again.
posted by telstar at 12:24 PM on July 20, 2007


I wonder what the JetBlue marketing department was thinking when they decided to sponsor an event like this. A smart company at least gives the appearance of being politically neutral.
posted by MikeMc at 12:24 PM on July 20, 2007


I have waded through the comments at Kos - When Cindy Sheehan posts, you get comments like 'OMG its really you. Cindy, thankew, thankew for what you've done. Please run for office, oh please...'

Then there are the antisemitic diaries...anybody here like those?

Shocker that corporations want to keep their name away from that shit.

Now, O'Reilly is the biggest bowl of cocks in America, but he's after ratings, just like every other news channel.

Course, I'm a conservative idjit, so I don't have the innate intelligence that all lefties have. Do you guys hear yourselves? How very satisfying it must be.
posted by rockhopper at 12:25 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


He sent a camera crew to confront the CEO of JetBlue, asking why they were supporting radicals.

Hey, Billy O'., CEO David Barger has donated to only one Presidential candidate. Guess which one? Yeah -- that's right -- Mitt "Flip" Romney ($2,100). Why didn't you ask him why he is supporting right-wingnuts? Oh, that's right: it'd mean you'd really have to be "fair and balanced."
posted by ericb at 12:25 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


Clinton and Gore never seemed to understand just how cravenly greedy Wall Street(tm) is. They had a nice polite Jewish* kid Rubin telling them how the best solutions were market solutions, balancing the budget was going to improve more peoples lives than investing in public infrastructure... Gore is still talking about market solutions to the environmental crisis.

Meanwhile the traders and brokers and trying to see how many zeros they can add to the end of their yearly bonus checks, *by any means necessary*... these are the people that the CEO of JetBlue ultimately answers to.

Wall Street is one big eating contest and the guy with the biggest appetite wins. Dictatorship aside, the nice friendly liberals at DailyKos may find out the hard way that if doing what's best for everyone costs big business a dime they're not to going to stand aside and let it happen without a fight. The idea that there are "blue" corporations and "red" corporations is misleading.

*(the Jews don't run Wall Street or Hollywood or the Banks and they don't like drinking blood, just bad wine and tasteless crackers once a year.)
posted by geos at 12:27 PM on July 20, 2007


rockhopper: please tattoo VICTIM on your forehead so people will know you're coming and avoid you. thanks.
posted by boo_radley at 12:29 PM on July 20, 2007 [13 favorites]


So, hold on a minute... Bill O'Reilly was criticizing a website for "trafficking in hate"? What was his compliant? That they weren't using his patented technique or something? I mean the man's entire career is based on articulating his hatred of one thing or another.

If the left had sense, they would go after his sponsors for the same reasons. They would not be short of examples, that's for sure.
posted by quin at 12:30 PM on July 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


boo-radley: way to address the original post.

(should I do that tattoo in the mirror?)
posted by rockhopper at 12:31 PM on July 20, 2007


Bill O'Reilly is trolling again? If we pay attention to him, surely he will stop!

I don't think the 'Nah, nah, we can't hear you!' approach works. Direct confrontation and refutation of this wingnuts is in order.

Elizabeth Edwards is right:
"Ignoring the fact that [Ann Coulter] exists doesn't make her go away. If it did, you wouldn't hear me utter her name. So I think maybe the better thing to do is simply confront people like her. Are you going to stop them? Under no circumstances will you stop them. But maybe you empower other people to stand up, and maybe that has an effect. When I travel, so many older people thank me for what I did. Because the vile kind of way Ann Coulter thinks and talks, that was not ever part of the public discourse until recently...'
posted by ericb at 12:32 PM on July 20, 2007 [3 favorites]


Antisemitic diaries, eh?

Anti-Likudnik perhaps, or maybe some sympathy for the Palestinians, but anti-semitic?

My original statement stands since I can't hear my idjit self.
posted by nofundy at 12:32 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


Then there are the antisemitic diaries...anybody here like those?

no...not really.... it's just user created blogs in the network. There are also 9-11 conspiracy diaries and all sorts of wackos, BUT the majority of the people....99.99999% are fat librarians who simply support Democratic candidates....

I could go to the Ronald McDonald website and post an anonymous comment that I heard Ronald likes an occasional big clowny dick...
posted by DougieZero1982 at 12:33 PM on July 20, 2007 [3 favorites]


*these wingnuts*
posted by ericb at 12:33 PM on July 20, 2007


Rockhopper, "batshit insane Republican policies" is not what "semitic" means.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:36 PM on July 20, 2007 [6 favorites]


Come on, Boo, I'm ready - I've alreadt shaved my forehead...
posted by rockhopper at 12:36 PM on July 20, 2007


From the person whose articles on Daily Kos were part of the O'Really outrage.
posted by gsb at 12:37 PM on July 20, 2007


If the left had sense, they would go after his sponsors for the same reasons.

Here are some. Time to throw out your Tempur-pedic mattresses.
posted by wendell at 12:37 PM on July 20, 2007


Skeeter, what does it mean? Did you ever have the chance to read one of those diaries?
posted by rockhopper at 12:37 PM on July 20, 2007


Come on, Boo, I'm ready - I've alreadt shaved my forehead...

And I must say, the wife beater, red suspenders (I'm sorry, "braces"), black boots, and red laces are rather fetching on you.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:38 PM on July 20, 2007 [3 favorites]


clodhopper, bias much?
posted by telstar at 12:38 PM on July 20, 2007


Clodhopper? Heh, that's funny. I used to wear clodhoppers as a kid. Thanks for the memories.
posted by rockhopper at 12:39 PM on July 20, 2007


It's ok, cloddy. I know how frustrating losing the war is. But hey, your tyrant is still in power, so it's all good!
posted by telstar at 12:43 PM on July 20, 2007


Thanks, telly. But my tyrant will be out of power in a year and a half, and then it will be all unicorns and rainbows and unicorns with rainbows coming out of their mouths...
posted by rockhopper at 12:45 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


January 20, 2009: The End of an Error.
posted by ericb at 12:47 PM on July 20, 2007 [3 favorites]


Wendell wrote:"Here are some. Time to throw out your Tempur-pedic mattresses."

This didn't even start well for me. I had no idea those mattresses supported such a biased blight before I bought them.
posted by Cranberry at 12:56 PM on July 20, 2007


seriously, though, rockhopper: you addressed the "original post" in no real way yourself. Your rhetoric is empty (where are those antisemitic diaries? You've got a list in your hand? Could we see the list, Senator? No?) , and you make a victim of yourself by saying in an all-too-well practiced voice that you're a lone "conservative idjit" being picked on by inscrutable intellectuals.

I mean, really, if anything, thank me. I'm making your persecution complex come true.
posted by boo_radley at 12:56 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


I have heard so much vitriol directed at Hillary Clinton in the pay decade or two that this amuses me to no end.

Fuck Bill O'Reilly.
posted by kableh at 1:00 PM on July 20, 2007


Time to throw out your Tempur-pedic mattresses.

Along with my guns, they'll have to pry my Tempur-Pedic mattress out of my cold, dead hands. Seriously. That thing is wonderful.
posted by mrbill at 1:01 PM on July 20, 2007


CEO David Barger has donated to only one Presidential candidate. ... Why didn't you ask him why he is supporting right-wingnuts?

There's a distinction between a CEO donating money as a private citizen versus corporate sponsorship. Equally, there's a difference between donating money to a candidate versus sponsoring a generically partisan political event. Apples and oranges.

Elizabeth Edwards is right...

About what?
Ignoring the fact that [Ann Coulter] exists doesn't make her go away. If it did, you wouldn't hear me utter her name.
"If X worked, I'd do it. I'm not doing X, so X must not work."
Are you going to stop them? Under no circumstances will you stop them.
Right. So quit wasting your breath and cast your attention elsewhere.
posted by cribcage at 1:04 PM on July 20, 2007


kos actually posted a really good update that puts YearlyKos into context:
YearlyKos will be addressed this year by just about the entire Democratic Party leadership -- Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, and Dick Durbin.

It will feature a candidate forum of all the top Democratic candidates -- Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, and Bill Richardson.

It will also be addressed by other notable elected Democrats like Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, Sen. Jon Tester, Reps. Rahm Emanuel, Paul Hodes, Lynn Woolsey, Mike Panetta, Tim Walz, and Steve Kagen. Gen. Wesley Clark will be there, as well as dozens of other mainstream, notable Democrats.

Anyone who tries to claim this is a "hate" gathering is saying, essentially, that the entire Democratic Party is a "hate" party. And sure, there are plenty of rabid crazies on the other side that would make such a claim, but no reasonable person will think that.

And that's the key -- anyone who claims this event is anything but a celebration of the best the Democratic Party has to offer is simply, to put it mildly, blinded by partisan rage and completely out-of-touch with reality.
Fact is, kos is some guy who turned a website into one of the major influential media organizations for the Democratic Party. Bill O'Reilly and Michelle Malkin are corporate-paid twits who like to pretend they're journalists. kos gets future presidents to speak at his "hate fest" wheras Michelle's big appearance this year was the undercard for Ann Coulter in the basement ballroom at CPAC in the Arlington Marriott.

I think JetBlue are shitheel cowards for letting O'Reilly tantrum his way into thinking he's important, but the difference between YearlyKos and The O'Reilly factor remains which one you'll actually see the Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader, and the future President of the United States bothering to show up for.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 1:10 PM on July 20, 2007 [6 favorites]


Also, what I really don't get is why, as soon as O'Reilly started whining about Daily Kos, kos didn't just switch the homepage over to giant-font links to Bill O'Reilly's sexual harassment settlement and all the comments he made to the staffer on his show he was trying to molest.

I'm pretty sure that would have dissuaded his interest in directing people to kos none too quick.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 1:14 PM on July 20, 2007 [3 favorites]


Ann Coulter was the clean-up speaker at last years biggest Conservative conference, where Cheney headlined (CPAC). She was giddily introduced by "big fan" Mitt Romney. She's a very big deal to mainstream Republicans and conservatives -- they love her to death. When she calls someone a faggot or a sand-nigger, however, she gets a pass as a "humorist."

Look, you people made her -- now you get to live with the consequences of your hidden or outright bigotry.

That said, DailyKos is so 2004. They do good work during election cycles (just ask Jim Webb and George Allen, and notice the dateline -- nobody thought Webb had a shot at that race). But there are much better straight-up liberal pundits out there -- digby and Glenn Greenwald primarily.

But keep up your efforts rockhopper, despite the fact that the majority of Americans are now Anti-war, anti-Bush, and anti-Republican! Good times!
posted by bardic at 1:15 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


but the difference between YearlyKos and The O'Reilly factor remains which one you'll actually see the Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader, and the future President of the United States bothering to show up for.

QFT. I wasn't trying to bash DKos as much as say that it's definitely waned in importance, only because a lot of folks took Markos' example and did their own thing. (And he had a kid and some other stuff, and seems content to let other people be more active in its daily operations. More power to him.)
posted by bardic at 1:17 PM on July 20, 2007


The irony is these die hard ORLY mouth breather dopes spouting off about Kos DON'T GO ANYWHERE. They don't fly on JetBlue. The demographic for JetBlue more closely matches the HuffPo or Kos audience than is does idiots like ORLY.
posted by tkchrist at 1:18 PM on July 20, 2007


They visited their brother in Kansas three years ago.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:22 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


cribcage:
Ignoring the fact that [Ann Coulter] exists doesn't make her go away. If it did, you wouldn't hear me utter her name.
"If X worked, I'd do it. I'm not doing X, so X must not work."
nitfilter: That's a really odd way to parse what Edwards said. The more conventional way -- and the way that would be more in line with American English grammar -- would be "X does not work. If X did work, I would do X. I do not do X." Note the absence of an implied causal relationship between 'X does not work' and 'I do not do X'.

Note also that Elizabeth Edwards was regarded as a pretty good lawyer before she started makin' babies, so I expect the phrasing is intentional....
posted by lodurr at 1:24 PM on July 20, 2007


tkchrist: especially since JetBlue's two main hubs are in New York City and California -- two places no true god-fearing 'murrican should ever set foot in, lest they fall prey to the homosexual menace or multiculturalism.
posted by InnocentBystander at 1:25 PM on July 20, 2007


I've never flown JetBlue. Now I never will.
posted by spitbull at 1:40 PM on July 20, 2007


the Raging Retards at Kos

If you're going to do that, at least come up with a full alliteration, rather than something half-assed like that. To wit:

The crazy cranks at Kos
The cliched crackpots at Kos
The cracked cocksuckers at Kos

For the record, I am a sometime member at Kos, and while it does annoy me at times and haven't been in a while, it does ahve a pretty fair representation of libs to mods among its ranks, and there is a pretty fair amount of open dissent there (despite a few well known and irritable partisans). The anti-semitic stuff, I really can't speak to, but if it's of the YOU ARE ANTI THE ACTIONS OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL, SO YOU ARE ANTI-SEMITIC nature, then I call bs.

It's hardly an comparable of monolithic ideologue sites like FR and LGF.
posted by psmealey at 1:42 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


LOLreilly needs to shut up and sit down before he does irreparable damage do his cause. Eventually people are going to equate idiots like him, and his style and presentation of rhetoric, to the nonsensical bullshit he spews...plenty of us have already made that connection, but the backlash hasn't started yet. When it does, people are going to look at O'Reilly like they did Joe McCarthy- asking him to leave at speaking events and such.

It's really only a matter of time. Enjoy it while it lasts, airbag, because soon enough people will be practically paying you not to be around when the cameras are going off.
posted by baphomet at 1:56 PM on July 20, 2007


The big difference is that FR and LGF tend to delete your comments and ban you for saying anything that goes against the party line, while you can post just about anything that's both legal and on-topic at dKos. Hell, you can be an open and enthusiastic fan of George W. Bush, and while they'll certainly revile you, they won't ban you.

That's the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. The Republicans want to enforce message discipline. The Democrats want to talk things out and discuss. Both have their advantages and disadvantages, but when you're as violently removed from reality as the Republicans have become, enforcing message discipline requires that anyone in touch with reality be suppressed as harshly as possible.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:58 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


LOLreilly needs to shut up and sit down before he does irreparable damage do his cause.

O'Reilly's cause is himself and his bank account. His greatest accomplishment? Using populist rhetoric to convince conservative, lower- and middle-class Americans that he truly gives a fuck about them or their children.

I mean, the guy is an obvious perv who likes to shove things up his own butt. And that's fine. I'd argue for anyone's right, as an adult, to do what they want with other consenting adults. I just don't think they should become moral arbiters or sell children's books is all.
posted by bardic at 2:05 PM on July 20, 2007


*second link
posted by bardic at 2:07 PM on July 20, 2007


bleh when news and psudo news has to worry strictly about ratings in order to survive you end up with horse crap like this, which isn't news, it's a raging op-ed and like all shows shouldn't be really associated with "news". Ratings should be one tool amongst many to determine the quality of news, but when the bottom line, the ONLY bottom line is the level of profit then things suffer. ANYTHING that exists for the common good which relies exclusively on such things is flawed.
posted by edgeways at 2:33 PM on July 20, 2007


Bill O'Reilly is truly a fascist scumbag. The only thing favorable which could be said for his viewpoint is that out of fear of his destination/ideal a certain kind of people gets a little fire under their ass every time he speaks up.
posted by nervousfritz at 2:38 PM on July 20, 2007



O'Reilly does schtick. He is making a boatload of cash playing to the ignorant masses who cannot abide anyone who voices a dissenting opinion against the U.S. Govt.-- and there are literally tens of millions of these imbeciles. It is a a HUGE demo.

You can hate him all you want- which is fine. I hate him, too. But he's just playing the numbers.

Bob Pittman (the founder of MTV) "consulted" a failing apolitical DJ named Rush Limbaugh - and got him to feed off this gravy train decades ago.

It should also be known that Pittman also "discovered" or "invented" the same type of schtick Morton Downey Jr. did in the '80's.

And who is surprised that 25 years later, that same act is now being performed on a "legitimate" mainstream news network? Only in America. Land of the dumbasses.
posted by wfc123 at 2:40 PM on July 20, 2007


Agree totally with bardic. kos is a darn good writer, but he's never there anymore.

His promoted diary bloggers who now write most of the material on the site are boring, flatulent, windbags. Their blog entries rival Edward Bulwer-Lytton for prolixity and yawn-inducing tedium.
posted by blucevalo at 3:01 PM on July 20, 2007


Agree totally with bardic. kos is a darn good writer, but he's never there anymore.

Because kos was on vacation for a month. He's back, and has written three posts already today.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 3:08 PM on July 20, 2007


Not to pick too much of a nit, but Markos has definitely changed the dynamic of KOS from his personal site, with some occasional contributions from others, to a liberal opinion aggregator. (And some of those first-wave contributors have gone on to do some excellent work in their own right, RIP Steve Gilliard.)

And that's fine. But it's more than just his recent vacation. The people who now do most of the writing at KOS just aren't that great, IMO, compared to many others. That makes DailyKOS of victim of its own success more than anything else, certainly not a failure by any stretch of the imagination.
posted by bardic at 3:21 PM on July 20, 2007


The Republicans want to enforce message discipline.

Nicely said PG. And this is one of those things that has driven me nuts about the past couple of years. I am so. fucking. sick. of the concept of talking points. I mean, there comes a point when you are listening to the news and you hear the same three phrases uttered by five different people, dozens of times.

Honestly, it makes me want to start causing harm. It's literally nothing more than a low level form of brainwashing (repetition) and it kills me that people are so simple as to not understand what they are being exposed to.

Whenever a new talking point comes up, I just know I'll be able to walk through the office, and at some point I'll hear someone parroting it back.
posted by quin at 3:53 PM on July 20, 2007 [2 favorites]


East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 is on to the way to respond to this.

MySpace contains tens of thousands of assholes. Rupert Murdoch owns it, and Bill O'Reilly works for him.

Every form of arbitrary offensive statement can be found somewhere on MySpace. Name it, it's there. Thus, we can claim that Rupert Murdoch supports Policy X, where X is equal to anything at all.
posted by JHarris at 4:13 PM on July 20, 2007 [1 favorite]


funny things I've got a sub-200 userid at dkos and haven't even visited the damn place in months if not years.

Went from steak to McDonald's with the addition of diaries.
posted by Heywood Mogroot at 4:23 PM on July 20, 2007


quin,
that's because most people are simply not focused on things outside of their immediate sphere of reality. They do not focus on the things they think or say because it's easier to just repeat something you heard than to draw a connection of why you are saying what you are saying.

Received wisdom is almost always never wise for understood beyond the syllables that make up the words.

Thankfully, some people are aware, but sadly, it is too few to fight the current power structure. Herding cats, as it were.
posted by daq at 4:26 PM on July 20, 2007


Now, O'Reilly is the biggest bowl of cocks in America, but he's after ratings, just like every other news channel.

When did this become acceptable, excusable, and morally appropriate? That is, can I do pretty much anything I want, so long as it's in the quest of profits (directly, via ratings, or via any other method) and be okay so long as it's not illegal, and everyone should still love me?

I say carry a moral compass wherever you go, and don't be afraid to stand up when someone's needle swings to the side because of a large pile of money nearby.

Incidentally, I did send a note to JetBlue (as I'm a customer) that they probably won't read, and here's an excerpt that summarizes my issue with the whole thing (which you probably won't read either -- I love the internet!)
Now news of your publicly caving to Bill O'Reilley's smear campaign -- and
simultaneously continuing to advertise on Fox -- makes me very sad indeed.
I'm not very comfortable with the idea that I'll be more likely to
encounter the kind of ill-informed, closed-minded people that take smear
campaigns like this one seriously, yet (through caving to the pressure,
and seeking out Fox viewers, aka O'Reilly viewers, as customers) these are
the very people you appear to be courting as customers.

I hope in the future the people in charge of making such decisions will
consider this: if people are divided over an issue, the right decision to
make -- not just morally, but for profitability -- is the one that
supports and embraces the best in everyone. By publicly dropping support
for the DailyKos web site and kowtowing to an individual and a network
who are manufacturing confrontation in order to boost ratings, you've made
a mistake.
posted by davejay at 4:40 PM on July 20, 2007


davejay, Thank You for Smoking had the line "I did it to pay the mortgage. It's the Yuppie Nueremburg Defence."
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:25 PM on July 20, 2007


had the great line, that is.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:26 PM on July 20, 2007


I love Hitler! And now, by ironclad logic, so do all of you! METAFILTER LOVES HITLER! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!
But seriously: (a) it's not a good sign that this O'Reilly creature has been able to take things this far, and (b) I'm not positive, but it may now be every patriotic American's duty to get on any website attributable to said O'Reilly and post that Bush is the Antichrist. Really, Mr. O'Reilly, how could you?
Or -- and this is a longshot -- somebody could explain to America that if you open up your blog to comments, not every opinion is yours.
posted by uosuaq at 7:34 PM on July 20, 2007


I have heard so much vitriol directed at Hillary Clinton in the pay decade or two that this amuses me to no end.

And Bill Clinton too. I love when conservatives whine about "hate speech" coming from the left - are their memories that short that they forget things like this? Or this?

By the way, I'm going to Yearly Kos! : )
posted by SisterHavana at 7:49 PM on July 20, 2007


Has someone ever misunderstood a website this bad?

Bill O'Reilly is many things, but he is not stupid.

In many ways, that is the most maddening thing of all.
posted by dhartung at 10:28 PM on July 20, 2007


(should I do that tattoo in the mirror?)

I wouldn't, if I were you, Clodhopper. Given the lack of space between your brow and your hairline, it could be a very tricky undertaking.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 3:10 AM on July 21, 2007


I actually happened to turn on the television and watched this for a few minutes before changing the channel. The guy is irritating. Anyway, has Bill O'Reilly promoted killing political figures on his TV show? This was the specific complaint that he had about DailyKOS, people jokingly or openly advocating the deaths of certain politicians.
posted by erikharmon at 1:01 AM on July 22, 2007


So, they did what the DailyKos crowd has been doing.. they went after the advertisers and complained.

But when O'Reilly gets involved, it's news? It shouldn't be. Maybe he's just pissed off that they booted Cindy Sheehan, because she was fodder for many news segments.
posted by drstein at 6:58 AM on July 22, 2007


Colbert Applauds O’Reilly For Smearing Kos
posted by homunculus at 10:06 AM on July 26, 2007


Bill O'Reilly's Website Investigated By Secret Service for Threats to Hillary's Life
posted by homunculus at 10:32 AM on July 26, 2007


More from the O’Reilly-approved messageboard.
"Bill O’Reilly said recently, 'When we see objectionable things [on my website], we take it off immediately.' AmericaBlog notes a commenter on billoreilly.com who suggests a terrorist attack against the U.S. Capitol building. For pointing that out, John Aravosis says he has now been banned from the site. BarbinMD from DailyKos was banned too."
posted by ericb at 10:45 AM on July 26, 2007


Home Depot dumps O'Reilly: "We will not... advertise on the Bill O’Reilly show"
posted by ericb at 11:43 AM on July 31, 2007


Very very late to the party, but why can't the DailyKos sue for slander or libel? Wouldn't the allegations made by BillO fall under that category? Hesitations about an overly litigious society aside, isn't this a viable option for a website or a community dealing with such accusations - speaking to their Faux vilifiers in a language they can understand?
posted by rudster at 4:06 AM on August 1, 2007


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