I know they say it takes money to make money, but MY GOD was that guy good at turning nickels into dimes. 1.6 billion dollars, and yet most of today's core entertainment consumers have but a vague notion of who he was. He's like the Bill Gates of populist entertainment. posted by jonson at 10:47 AM on August 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
That said, Oprah Winfrey will almost certainly eclipse him in terms of media barony, and she succeeded while black & female in an industry run by white males. Still, not bad, Merv. posted by jonson at 10:49 AM on August 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
RIP, though I wish the YouTube related videos hadn't so easily led me first to this, and then to this. A different time, yes, but also a powerful way to stay ahead: keeping others down. Sigh. posted by coolhappysteve at 10:57 AM on August 12, 2007
"Merv Griffin did not turn himself in and is at large. If you have any information as to his whereabouts, call your local theatre manager." posted by kirkaracha at 11:01 AM on August 12, 2007
That said, Oprah Winfrey will almost certainly eclipse him in terms of media barony, and she succeeded while black & female in an industry run by white males. Still, not bad, Merv.
Yes, but it's still possible that Griffin was America's first gay media billionaire. So that's no small achievement. The gay rumors certainly were there when Griffin was sued in a sexual harassment lawsuit by former Dance Fever host, Danny Terrio. The writer Armistead Maupin even quipped, "They used to say that the only way you get on Merv Griffin was if you got on Merv Griffin."
Anyhow, whereever you are Merv, let us hope there's a lovely bunch of coconuts waiting there.
This has been a Merrrrv Griffin television production. posted by furtive at 12:06 PM on August 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
My friend's father would always insist that Merv Griffin was the smartest man alive. Why? Because he figured out how to put commercials inside of the TV show. This was years ago, before VCRs, let alone DVRs. You'll probably flip channels during a commercial, but you'll always sit through the 10 second description of a new dishwasher on The Price Is Right.
I don't know if Merv Griffin actually deserves credit for inserting product placement into game shows, but if he does, he certainly changed the face of television. posted by christonabike at 12:15 PM on August 12, 2007
did he ever come out? Even during the whole Deney Terrio thing he was closeted.
I think i'll call all my boyfriends "secretary/driver/horse-trainer/bodyguard" from now on, too. ; o posted by amberglow at 12:23 PM on August 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
long Rolling Stone thing on him: Dear Mister Fantasy--... Merv does not refute the underlying implication in both cases: that he is gay. Nor does he admit to it. Instead, he mentions the high-profile relationship that he began with actress Eva Gabor at the time of his legal troubles. They were photographed everywhere: Atlantic City, La Quinta, Hollywood premieres. Merv says that they discussed marriage, and he parries any direct questions about his sexual orientation. 'You're asking an eighty-year-old man about his sexuality right now!' he cries. 'Get a life!' ... posted by amberglow at 12:27 PM on August 12, 2007
I only remember him as the guy hosting the show my mom was always watching in the afternoons when I was 4. Then of course I saw his name in the credits of game shows. That's all I know. posted by rolypolyman at 12:35 PM on August 12, 2007
Doo, da doo doo doo... doo... doo. BOOM BOOM.
Merv ran out of time. I wonder how much he wagered. posted by Faint of Butt at 12:37 PM on August 12, 2007
He's gone to that great consolation prize in the sky. posted by amyms at 1:09 PM on August 12, 2007
Donald Trump went into television (somewhat) after becoming a billionaire real estate tycoon.
Merv Griffin was very succesful in television, then became a billionaire real estate tycoon (and bought a number of Donald's properties, including Trump Resorts International in Atlantic City).
Yes, I would say the guy is a genius. posted by eye of newt at 1:14 PM on August 12, 2007
I've never heard much negative about him either. Such a charming guy and he really seemed to enjoy his life. RIP. posted by vronsky at 3:18 PM on August 12, 2007
I'd say the man's just gone to residual heaven, except that he just left residual heaven: among his many other concepts, he wrote the Jeopardy theme ("Think!").
Midas has left the building. posted by rob511 at 3:21 PM on August 12, 2007
Did you know Merv was also a leader in fashion? Acc'ding to Wikipedia, "Griffin preferred to wear suits tailored by Botany 500, and many game show hosts followed his lead." posted by ameca at 5:43 PM on August 12, 2007
Merv Griffin: What I've Learned, from September 2006. (“I've outlived all of my diet doctors.”) posted by LeLiLo at 7:39 PM on August 12, 2007
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A showbiz legend.
Say, that obit is pretty great. A dark part of me wonders.. is someone writing these in advance for every $famousperson older than X? I mean, otherwise, was this an allnighter? posted by cavalier at 7:50 PM on August 12, 2007
Say, that obit is pretty great. A dark part of me wonders.. is someone writing these in advance for every $famousperson older than X? I mean, otherwise, was this an allnighter?
Noticed that also. I think that one was definitely pre-written since his death was announced this morning. You can be sure that for every ailing old celebrity, there is a draft of his obituary ready to be posted. It's one of those back pressroom secrets, I think. Anyone in the industry that knows anything about this care to comment? posted by Burhanistan at 7:55 PM on August 12, 2007
cavalier and Bur...about 3 or 4 years ago, CNN (I am pretty sure) accidentally released a whole bunch of pre-written obits for people who were still alive. Suffice to say...absolutely. posted by Kickstart70 at 8:06 PM on August 12, 2007
Say, that obit is pretty great. A dark part of me wonders.. is someone writing these in advance for every $famousperson older than X? I mean, otherwise, was this an allnighter?
Yes. Major newspapers and media chains have people responsible for constantly maintaining biographies of notable people so that upon their death an obituary can be ready on the fly. In 2003 CNN accidentally made several of them live, including Cheney and Fidel Castro.
My dad, who works at the New York Times, actually volunteered to handle one out of devotion to the subject. He was responsible for the biography of Carl Barks (the guy who created Scrooge McDuck) and kept everything up to date until Barks' death in 2000. He had a three-inch thick folder of pertinent documents, clippings, and even personal correspondence with Barks. When Barks died, he had a half-page obituary in the Times the following morning. posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:59 PM on August 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
Cavalier and Burhanistan, here's the awesome Smoking Gun archive of the pages Kickstart mentions, beginning with our dear Vice President, and including Mandela, Castro, Ford, and a few others. posted by coolhappysteve at 8:59 PM on August 12, 2007
"Carnivores who live on herbivores who live on plants
Are all consumed by omnivores in pants."
He said his name was Moondog and he was blind because he'd triggered a dynamite cap when he was a kid living out in the country and when it exploded, it blinded him.
So he appeared on the show, which I thought was wonderful of Merv Griffin to do, respectfully acknowledge a homeless musician on national TV. I waited in the wings, listening with awe, got a smidgen of birthday cake too and helped him back to his street corner. It was a fun adventure. Moondog and I remained friends for years. Appearing on the show helped Moondog's life and for that I'd like to posthumously thank Mr. Griffin.
Wow, Nicky...what a groovy story! You know, I think I'll always remember Merv even more fondly than I otherwise would have because of that tidbit. Thanks. :) posted by dejah420 at 10:09 PM on August 12, 2007
At some point when I was a kid, I used to mix up last names for Merv Griffin and Andy Griffith. As it turns out, I wasn't alone. (Thanks for the memory, edgeways.)
I used to love his afternoon show as a kid. I'd see folks like Gore Vidal, Linus Pauling, Betty Davis (who was always a hoot), along with all the regular flogging celebs. It was fun background watching for homework time. posted by lodurr at 3:48 AM on August 13, 2007
I wasn't much for his singing but I loved his interviews, especially when he was hanging out with Zsa Zsa Gabor, not sure why but they always cracked me up together. Really wish I had 1/10 of his understanding on how to make money... he was an absolutely brilliant businessman.
I used to go to brunch at his hotel in Beverly Hills once in a while. He was living in the hotel so I passed him as he walked his little dogs in the lobby a few times. He wore pink spectactularly well, which surprised me. posted by miss lynnster at 11:24 AM on August 13, 2007
Merv Griffin's Dangerous Closet-- ... Finally, Griffin's closet had him firing gay men who'd actually made it up through the ranks of his own company, simply because they were openly gay. There is a story in Queer in America about a man identified as "The Mogul" who did just that. I can now reveal that The Mogul is Merv Griffin. Open homosexuality is a threat to the closeted, and powerful people in the closet like Merv Griffin will often do whatever it takes to squash those who are open and who might advocate that all among the powerful should come out. ... posted by amberglow at 6:06 AM on August 15, 2007
I'm mostly opposed to outing, and I'd like to think outing isn't necessary -- as a straight, I suppose I have those luxuries. But at some point, when there's that much fear involved, and that much money (really, what were they going to do, take it away from him?), maybe a little outing was just what Mervin needed. posted by lodurr at 8:06 AM on August 15, 2007 [1 favorite]
It's the fact that he punished and fired others who were out that tips the balance way too far. It would have been one thing if he was just a closetcase himself and never lifted a finger to help others or anything, but to purposely harm others because they weren't closeted and therefore were a threat to him? Appalling and inexcusable.
Just another hating (selfhating and of others) GOP closetcase in the end. posted by amberglow at 8:18 AM on August 15, 2007
Why didn't you say he was a Republican, dammit? That explains everything.
Actually, I'm kind of not joking about that... posted by lodurr at 8:24 AM on August 15, 2007
Honestly, by the way he sauntered through his hotel lobby with his yippy little dogs, I don't know how anyone who had ever shared a room with him could ever DOUBT he was gay. Didn't take much brainwork to figure it out. posted by miss lynnster at 8:31 AM on August 15, 2007
and that "lovely bunch of coconuts" song that made his name ages ago is a classic mincing sissy song from Brit Music Halls/Vaudeville. posted by amberglow at 12:09 PM on August 15, 2007
Why should that be so uncomfortable to read? Why is it so difficult to write? Why are we still so jittery even about raising the issue in purportedly liberal-minded Hollywood in 2007? We can refer to it casually in conversation, but the mainstream media somehow remains trapped in the Dark Ages when it comes to labeling a person as gay. ...
hortense I have had that image in my head forever but couldn't remember where it was from! Thanks! I used to subscribe to Spy so I remember that Merv/Kissinger cover was sitting on my coffee table for a while. posted by miss lynnster at 5:27 AM on August 18, 2007
Now that's a headline --...You'd think the matter of an obit about or reminiscence of a public figure wouldn't generate all this brouhaha, but that's what happens when the world outside of the closet is so frightening to people in Hollywood that all sorts of insane measures are taken to reinforce the message is that there is something inherently wrong with being gay. posted by amberglow at 3:46 PM on August 18, 2007
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