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	<title>Comments on: John Henry was a steel-drivin&apos; bastard</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:38:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>John Henry was a steel-drivin&apos; bastard</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard</link>	
		<description>You&apos;ve got just over two weeks to make it to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://alabamafolklife.org/John%20Henry%20in%20Leeds.htm&quot;&gt;John Henry celebration&lt;/a&gt; in Leeds, Alabama, where some folks believe the legendary steel driving contest actually took place.  Maybe you already made it to &lt;a href=&quot;http://west-virginia-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/summers_county_west_virginia&quot;&gt;John Henry Days&lt;/a&gt; in Talcott, West Virginia (or read a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385498209/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;fictionalized account&lt;/a&gt;), where some more folks claim the same.  John Garst, Scott Nelson, and other folklorists weigh in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibiblio.org/john_henry/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, supplemented by a wealth of links and resources on the subject.  While you think on it let &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54GNI2K3-ec&quot;&gt;Mississippi Fred McDowell&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmFwxWgpc4&quot;&gt;The Boss&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osVaxSJqFIc&quot;&gt;Ralph Stanley&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiw2Uc-0qN0&quot;&gt;John Jackson&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfkihMR7e3Y&quot;&gt;Merle Travis&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1Cm_QLFCQ&quot;&gt;Jason Isbell&lt;/a&gt; tell their own versions.

John Garst and his research mentioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/35788/Casey-Jones-Stagolee-Frankie-and-Johnny-Murder-and-Death-Ballad-Back-Stories&quot;&gt;previously&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:34:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roman Graves</dc:creator>		<category>johnhenry</category>		<category>folklore</category>		<category>americanfolklore</category>		<category>westvirginia</category>		<category>alabama</category>		<category>youtube</category>		<category>folkmusic</category>
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		<title>By: dhammond</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816741</link>	
		<description>That Mississippi Fred McDowell clip is fucking brilliant.  Thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:38:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pjern</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816766</link>	
		<description>Not to mention &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/nwturbine/nflkturb.htm&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:06:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flapjax at midnite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816820</link>	
		<description>Fine post, Roman Graves. Many thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:41:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flapjax at midnite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816833</link>	
		<description>This tale of a man beating a machine (admittedly, dying shortly afterward, but still &lt;i&gt;beating&lt;/i&gt; it) is a powerful one, born of the industrial revolution but still resonating today: we still &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to believe a human chess master, for example, could always beat a computer...

Sure do wish I could go to that Leeds, Alabama (state of my birth and my youth) seminar: I&apos;d like to hear Garst and others speak about their research and such.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:57:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marxchivist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816841</link>	
		<description>Great post, thanks. The Onion gives us&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/news/modern_day_john_henry_dies_trying&quot;&gt; the modern equivalent&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:14:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: trip and a half</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816860</link>	
		<description>Also not to be missed is Mississippi John Hurt&apos;s classic interpretation, &lt;em&gt;Spike Driver&apos;s Blues&lt;/em&gt;. You can hear a snippet &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Studio-Recordings-Mississippi-John/dp/samples/B00004Z3VB/ref=dp_tracks_all_1/103-5682089-2647823?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1188388101&amp;sr=8-1#disc_1&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:54:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: trip and a half</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816874</link>	
		<description>(Um, also just realized you can hear a complete version by clicking the &quot;Listen to songs about John Henry&quot; link at the bottom of the page in Roman Grave&apos;s &quot;here&quot; link in the original post.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:15:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: geos</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816910</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.creationiscrucifixion.com/mp3/cic_iconography.mp3&quot;&gt;The Iconography of John Henry&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;
Projecting humanity&apos;s soul to a corporate killing machine with an ideology of greed and a hierarchy of screams. We are John Henry&apos;s children and as this we are alone eliza was a program John Henry had a soul. The screams that built an icon are a story left untold the useless battle was won by the owner of both machines. Bleed the fucking owner and we&apos;ll bleed the fucking machine. The remains will feed the earthworms and our screams will bow be heard. We are automata.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:17:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: clavicle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1816965</link>	
		<description>Pop reference to the story: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(album)&quot;&gt;The album&apos;s name, a reference to the man vs. machine fable of John Henry, is roughly an allusion to the band&apos;s fundamental switch to more conventional instrumentation, especially the newly-established use of a human drummer instead of a drum machine.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:54:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rangeboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1817101</link>	
		<description>Excellent post. By the way, John Henry was also the inspiration for at least one &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Irons&quot;&gt;superhero&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:42:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MtDewd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1817442</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibiblio.org/john_henry/The_Saga_of_John_Henry.mp3&quot;&gt;Smothers Brothers&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:36:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BitterOldPunk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1817732</link>	
		<description>Cool.

I think I&apos;ll go. Leeds is thirty minutes down the road (and is near Moody&apos;s Crossroads, where my father was born).
Thanks for the Jason Isbell link. He needs more press. The original of that song (a much more rawk version) is on The Drive-By Truckers record &quot;The Dirty South&quot;. I urge anyone who likes smart twangy pop to buy Isbell&apos;s &quot;Sirens of the Ditch&quot;, his first solo effort, and pretty damn good, IMHO.

And that Oak Mountain tunnel is too accesible by vehicle, cuz I&apos;ve  ridden through it on a mountain bike, not knowing anything of its historical significance, just trying to get out of a summer thunderstorm. But yeah, I guess you can&apos;t actually, you know, DRIVE to it.

*scrolls down*

Wow! Donna Thornton is the sister of a guy I went to middle school with. He&apos;s a banker in Atlanta now. Small world.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:22:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rangeboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1817797</link>	
		<description>Seconding BitterOldPunk&apos;s Isbell recommendation. It&apos;s a great album, if not quite as good as the Truckers&apos; &lt;em&gt;Decoration Day&lt;/em&gt; (still his finest moment, IMHO).</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:08:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PeterMcDermott</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1818023</link>	
		<description>I love me some Colson Whitehead. John Henry Days was a great book. The Intuitionist was even better.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:46:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roman Graves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1818042</link>	
		<description>If ya&apos;ll haven&apos;t seen the Truckers live, or Isbell by himself, I highly recommend the experience.  I caught his solo show for the first time last week and he blew me away.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:55:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: harkin banks</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1818088</link>	
		<description>continuing the Isbell/DBT derail:  I saw DBT as the other half of a double-bill with Son Volt last April, and came away wondering  just how I had missed out for so long.  I had never heard a note of their music before, but that show made me go out and pick up most of their recent CDs.  I&apos;m sorry Isbell left -- his songs are highlights on the DBT records he participated in.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:34:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: exlotuseater</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64248/John-Henry-was-a-steeldrivin-bastard#1818390</link>	
		<description>I remember being taught a version of the folk-song when I was in elementary school, and being so touched by John Henry&apos;s death that I couldn&apos;t sing the end of the song. (I was 9 or 10 at the time)</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:20:57 -0800</pubDate>
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