Comments on: The Ghost Fleet of Mallows Bay

The Ghost Fleet of Mallows Bay

peeedro — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:12:40 -0800

The Ghost Fleet of Mallows Bay. What happens when you have more obsolete steamships than you can burn? You end up with one of the largest shipwreck fleets in the Western Hemisphere.

Historian Donald G. Shomette speaks about the shipwrecks, both their history and future, on a recent radio interview. Wonderful pictures and trip reports from kayakers.

By: peeedro

peeedro — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:13:42 -0800

Inspired by this great thread.

By: Slithy_Tove

Slithy_Tove — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:29:11 -0800

[this is excellent]

By: Tacodog

Tacodog — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:38:30 -0800

Filed under 'awesome.' Nice post.

By: maxwelton

maxwelton — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:51:11 -0800

Very cool! Nice post.

By: borkingchikapa

borkingchikapa — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:53:37 -0800

This is not that far from where I live! ADVENTURE TIME!

By: LarryC

LarryC — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:18:23 -0800

Wow! I am teaching a workshop on using Google Earth to teach history and I am so stealing this.

By: poweredbybeard

poweredbybeard — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:32:45 -0800

That Google Maps picture is just... eerie. Nice post.

By: tellurian

tellurian — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:28:56 -0800

"dozens of independent salvors daily picked over the carcasses of the great fleet. At least five floating brothels and no fewer than 26 illegal stills were reportedly erected nearby." How enterprising. Nice post peeedro.

By: woodblock100

woodblock100 — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:24:17 -0800

Without knowing where Mallows Bay is, I assumed when I saw this post that it was referring to the dozens (hundreds?) of ships buried along the San Francisco harbourfront, especially with the mention of brothels and stills. Wrong! But great stuff ...

By: ItsaMario

ItsaMario — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:06:30 -0800

Wow the google image reminds me of a school of iron fish..

By: eriko

eriko — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:13:17 -0800

Excellent post.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:34:07 -0800

Superb post. I knew nothing about this. The pictures are nice, but the story is... well, I'm not sure whether to say "appalling" or "business as usual." Some sleazebag talks the government into paying for a thousand wooden ships ("The Hun can't sink 'em all!"):

Yet, by October 1918 only 134 wooden steamships had been completed; another 263 were less than half finished. When Germany surrendered on November 11, none had crossed the Atlantic. Congressional charges of ineptitude within the program soon followed. A Senate probe revealed that of the 731 wooden steamships contracted for, only 98 had been delivered. Of these, only 76 had carried cargo in trade. Charges flared that the vessels were badly designed, weakly constructed, poorly caulked, leaked excessively and were too small and expensive for long-distance cargo hauling. Still, the ships continued to slide down the ways...

The damn things wound up "cost[ing] American taxpayers between $700,000 and $1 million per vessel," and that was back when a million bucks was real money. Nothing ever changes.

By: peeedro

peeedro — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:34:16 -0800

Without knowing where Mallows Bay is, I assumed when I saw this post that it was referring to the dozens (hundreds?) of ships buried along the San Francisco harbourfront... That's a great link woodblock100. There's also hints that the same might be true about New York Harbor but I've only run into dead ends looking for good articles on the web.

By: killdevil

killdevil — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:39:08 -0800

Awesome.

By: saladin

saladin — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:43:04 -0800

Tremendous, thanks peeedro.

By: killdevil

killdevil — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:43:26 -0800

I grew up not too far from here, and knew about the Navy's enormous James River Reserve Fleet, but I've never heard of this before.

By: mediareport

mediareport — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:49:44 -0800

Very cool post.

By: exogenous

exogenous — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:10:19 -0800

Awesome. I recently started taking flying lessons and have flown over these wrecks a couple of times - it's great to know the story behind them.

By: COBRA!

COBRA! — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:46:31 -0800

Fascinating, thanks a lot for posting this.

By: zap rowsdower

zap rowsdower — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:52:11 -0800

I've anchored my sailboat in Mallows Bay several times, but I didn't know anything of the history...very interesting. I can tell you, though, in late fall, after a 70+ mile trip up the Potomac without seeing another vessel, spending a night alone in that bay is one of the creepiest things imaginable. Beautiful, but damn creepy.

By: idiotking

idiotking — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:10:38 -0800

Outstanding post. I had no idea these were so close by (I too thought they must have been on the West coast.)

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:37:21 -0800

This reminds me, during the early days of the Civil War, a fleet of whale ships was sunk by the Union in the channel of Charleston SC harbor to block to port. The US govt put out a call to buy the oldest and most decrepit ships at "rock bottom" prices, which were 90% whale ships from New England, and sailed south filled with New England rocks and scuttled in the channel. Interestingly, the Confederates thought it was an armada come to attack the city so they also sank their own ships in the channel! It was discovered after the war the ships completely disintegrated and didn't really do much, but it destroyed a large part of the whaling fleet and was one reason after the war the whaling industry didn't recover (along with the discovery of oil in PA).

By: M.C. Lo-Carb!

M.C. Lo-Carb! — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:04:45 -0800

Man, some of us should go down there and try to get these things running again.

By: padraigin

padraigin — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:21:01 -0800

I grew up not too far from here, and knew about the Navy's enormous James River Reserve Fleet, but I've never heard of this before. posted by killdevil at 5:43 AM on September 14 People in the Bay Area are probably familiar with the Suisun Bay Reserve Fleet, up near Benicia. It's pretty neat. I think there's one in Texas as well.

By: bonehead

bonehead — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:27:50 -0800

According to the BLS calcualtor, $1,000,000 in 1917 is about $16M today. That would be a $3 billion boondoggle today. How much is Iraq costing a day again? About $200 million? So, 2 months in Iraq, or so, is one of these fleets.

By: wallstreet1929

wallstreet1929 — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:50:40 -0800

Artist photographer captures this theme best at a New York location, Shooters Island.

By: empath

empath — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:07:26 -0800

I grew up near there and had never heard of this. I think I may make a trip there.

By: chinston

chinston — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:35:52 -0800

The satellite photo is the piece de resistance. Nice post.