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	<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:01:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Bent fruit</title>
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		<description>An &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/quickref/general/espalier.html&quot; title=&quot;pronounced es-PAL-yer&quot;&gt;espalier&lt;/a&gt; is a plant trained to grow flat against a wall, fence, or trellis.  Developed by the Romans, they were popular in Middle Age Europe as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://gardenline.usask.ca/trees/espalier.html&quot;&gt;source of fruit&lt;/a&gt; in castles and monasteries because they could be grown against the keep&apos;s stone walls leaving open space unencumbered. Now  they are an excellent choice for apartment and condo dwellers with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening/basics/techniques/growfruitandveg_espalierapple1.shtml&quot;&gt;small&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://flowersandweeds.blogspot.com/2007/05/spring-trimming-of-espalier-trees.html&quot;&gt;yards&lt;/a&gt;. For larger yards  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scenicnursery.com/archives/002422.html&quot;&gt;espaliers&lt;/a&gt; can be used as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSCN3598_espalieredpeartree_e.JPG&quot;&gt;decorative&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/gt/espalier/espalier.htm&quot;&gt;feature&lt;/a&gt;, to provide &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/hooker79.html&quot;&gt;shade&lt;/a&gt; or to increase the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rarefruit-sa.org.au/Espalier/Espalier.htm&quot;&gt;variety&lt;/a&gt; of trees under cultivation. University of Florida &lt;a href=&quot;http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/MG/MG27300.pdf&quot;&gt;PDF&lt;/a&gt; detailing the technique.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:52:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mitheral</dc:creator>		<category>trees</category>		<category>fruit</category>		<category>Espalier</category>		<category>gardens</category>		<category>history</category>
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		<title>By: lekvar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1838860</link>	
		<description>Best of the Turn Off Your Computer.

Now I wish I had a real yard to plant in.</description>
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		<title>By: twistedonion</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1838868</link>	
		<description>Brilliant. My yard will thank you for this!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:25:09 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>twistedonion</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1838889</link>	
		<description>I can&apos;t look at stuff like this. It&apos;s a practical use of space if fruit is all you&apos;re after, but it&apos;s ugly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:50:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: substrate</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1838906</link>	
		<description>Why don&apos;t planting fruit trees so close to your house threaten the structural integrity of your foundation? At my parents place an oak tree&apos;s roots moved the basement wall several inches. It took a couple 10&apos;s of thousands of dollars to restore the integrity of the foundation.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:43:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: twistedonion</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1838910</link>	
		<description>I think the Key would be planting it in a container which would restrict both root growth as well as the size of the tree?

Other solution would be to use a dwarf variety of fruit tree.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:54:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DU</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1838975</link>	
		<description>No no no--the point of an espalier isn&apos;t to save space.  The point is to use the thermal mass of the wall to grow more/better/earlier-and-or-later-in-the-season/in-a-colder-climate fruit.  Also, you can incline the wall to get more direct sunshine especially in the winter.

Except I can&apos;t find the image of that that I&apos;m looking for.  Maybe &quot;espalier&quot; is the term for the space-saving take on the idea I&apos;m looking for...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:27:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DU</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: agregoli</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1838995</link>	
		<description>Fantastic!  I&apos;ve seen this but didn&apos;t know it had a name - thanks for the great post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:00:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cog_nate</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839010</link>	
		<description>substrate, the reason it&apos;s not a problem with trees like this is that dwarf fruit tree root systems are not very robust and remain very shallow.  In fact, most dwarf fruit trees require staking for the entirety of their lives to prevent them from being blown over in storms.

Great post, Mitheral.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:11:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rmless</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839025</link>	
		<description>Wow, that pear tree (decorative link) in the cloisters is so pretty! I&apos;ve been putting off making the long subway trip up there, but now I have another reason to go.
Thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:51:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Salmonberry</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839044</link>	
		<description>There is a problem with trying an espalier as an apartment dweller - preventing the roots from freezing in winter. I have a bright white wall that only gets 3-4 hours of sunlight in summer (not enough for fruiting) so I opted for a very heavy pot and a clematis. The large heavy pot will help the roots stay protected, but even at that the clematis can handle it. No fruit, but it suits it better. If I could get away with a pretty espalier, I&apos;d do it for sure.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:16:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fupped Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839073</link>	
		<description>I recall an article a long time ago in the HY Times advocating the planting of a vinelike Bitter-orange plant not for the fruit but for the effect the spiny plant gave in keeping people from climbing in windows...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:53:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mumkin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839078</link>	
		<description>Beyond espalier, there&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleaching&quot;&gt;pleaching&lt;/a&gt;, in which several trees are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.englishcottagegardening.com/pleachng/pleach1.htm&quot;&gt;closely planted&lt;/a&gt; and bent or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kirchersociety.org/blog/2006/02/28/houses-woven-out-of-trees/&quot;&gt;woven together&lt;/a&gt;. The more extreme practitioners call it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arborsmith.com/&quot;&gt;arborsculpture&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plantware.org/&quot;&gt;plantware&lt;/a&gt;. Others &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grown-furniture.co.uk/how.html&quot;&gt;grow furniture&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:58:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mitheral</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839102</link>	
		<description>None of the resources mention a problem with roots.  I&apos;m guessing like cog_nate said that the minimal above ground growth is mirrored underneath.

DU several of the articles mention the extend growing season as a benefit.  I wonder if cordon isn&apos;t the term you are looking for.  A cordon is a single branch grown straight or at an angle.

&lt;b&gt;mumkin&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href=&apos;http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839078&apos;&gt;writes&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;em&gt;&quot;Others &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grown-furniture.co.uk/how.html&quot;&gt;grow furniture&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Ya, I did a post on that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/56888/Three-trees-one-stool&quot;&gt;previously&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:23:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DU</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839128</link>	
		<description>No, the picture I saw was these...I guess &quot;embankments&quot; is the best word.  Basically an angled, concrete platform that the vines (I think this was a vineyard) were growing on.  The embankments were lined up in rows so that the southerly ones just barely didn&apos;t shade the more northern ones.

I also read about them in a &quot;history of solar power&quot; book, so that would explain the emphasis.  I wonder which reason actually gave the impetus to create them.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:46:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: blue_beetle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1839258</link>	
		<description>This thread is useless without pictures.

[NOT A FRUITIST]</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:30:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: five fresh fish</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/64762/Bent-fruit#1840014</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve been thinking of trellising grapes on the two sunny sides of the house, more to act as a natural heat barrier to reduce my air conditioning costs than as a food source.  I suspect training it rigidly would be wise; I could force it to provide even coverage.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:00:46 -0800</pubDate>
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