Ron Paul and the Sex Pistols
November 3, 2007 2:02 PM   Subscribe

"Ron Paul and the Sex Pistols!" Never thought I’d hear the words “Ron Paul and the Sex Pistols” in the same phrase.
posted by augustweed (62 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

 
They played "Anarchy in the UK."

*awkward*
posted by Reggie Digest at 2:08 PM on November 3, 2007


I'm not too surprised.
posted by delmoi at 2:12 PM on November 3, 2007


Of course. 'Cause John Lydon has NEVER taken the piss in his life, has he?
posted by howfar at 2:17 PM on November 3, 2007


Lydon has lost a step in his professional provocateurism. He should have endorsed Huckabee.
posted by ibmcginty at 2:19 PM on November 3, 2007


NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!!
posted by loquacious at 2:21 PM on November 3, 2007 [2 favorites]


I mixed up Ron Paul with Ron Silver.

My mind is going - is there a film or skit or something out there where Ron Silver plays an evil version of himself, hunting down someone? Or did I just make that completely up in some sick I've-watched-way-too-much-West-Wing-today moment?
posted by jb at 2:30 PM on November 3, 2007


I love it.
posted by caddis at 2:32 PM on November 3, 2007


jb, I think you’re thinking of Heat Vision and Jack.
posted by tepidmonkey at 2:35 PM on November 3, 2007


Wow, I don't think it gets much less punk then going on Jey Leno to promote your new song, re-recorded for Guitar Hero 3.
posted by delmoi at 2:39 PM on November 3, 2007


I don't think it gets much less punk then going on Jey Leno to promote your new song, re-recorded for Guitar Hero 3.

Unless you're the Sex Pistols, in which case, it's punk as fuck.
posted by psmealey at 2:52 PM on November 3, 2007 [4 favorites]


I mixed up Ron Paul with Ru Paul.
posted by Esoquo at 3:02 PM on November 3, 2007


I mixed up Ron Paul with someone who stands a chance at winning the GOP nomination.
posted by Poolio at 3:05 PM on November 3, 2007 [2 favorites]


is there a film or skit or something out there where Ron Silver plays an evil version of himself, hunting down someone?

I think it was Timecop.

I'm embarrassed I remembered that.
posted by LooseFilter at 3:07 PM on November 3, 2007


Ron Paul is the lolcat of politics
posted by Bighappyfunhouse at 3:21 PM on November 3, 2007 [5 favorites]


They played "Anarchy in the UK."

Now retitled "Libertarianism in the U.K."
posted by wendell at 3:24 PM on November 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


They sure did slow that song waaaay the fuck down. Is the Guitar Hero III vesion that lugubrious? DO NOT WANT
posted by BitterOldPunk at 3:44 PM on November 3, 2007


Fantastic!
posted by PHINC at 4:05 PM on November 3, 2007


They sure did slow that song waaaay the fuck down.

In the clip, it's roughly 3:39. According to Wikipedia, the single version of Anarchy is 3:31.

If eight seconds over 30 years is slowing waaaay the fuck down, then I'll have whatever Johnny's drinking.
posted by oncogenesis at 4:06 PM on November 3, 2007


I don't know much about Ron Paul, but I'd probably vote for anyone Johnny advocated just to be a dickhead.
posted by snsranch at 4:27 PM on November 3, 2007


Huh. Seemed faster when my ears were younger.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 4:27 PM on November 3, 2007


Last time I saw old John he was making daft animal programs... Punk's Not Dead!

Meanwhile here's some of Jello Biafra's thoughts on the matter...

"We need a new law that owners of SUVs are automatically in the military reserve. Then they can go get their own goddamn oil."
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 4:33 PM on November 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


I bet not one person here who has dismissed libertarianism or Ron Paul in this thread has ever bothered to find out more about either, and that is just despicable.

There, got that out of the way - someone was bound to say it at some point.

Anyway, Ron Paul makes me think of floods, droopy socks and tight underwear.
posted by KokuRyu at 4:41 PM on November 3, 2007


Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
posted by brevator at 4:49 PM on November 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


punk has just jumped the shark
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 4:51 PM on November 3, 2007


FWIW, every time I hear the original I am amazed at how slow it really is. I remember one of the Pistols (probably Johnny Rotten, not sure) remarking how punk is more effective if it isn't played so super-fast.

When I heard him say that - somewhere in the mid-nineties - I had only just discovered classic British punk a few years prior, and all I ever listened to at the time was high-octane California nth-wave punk rock, so let's say my mileage may have varied.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:38 PM on November 3, 2007


I bet not one person here who has dismissed libertarianism or Ron Paul in this thread has ever bothered to find out more about either, and that is just despicable.

What's far more despicable is that most of the people I've met who support Ron Paul know even less about him. And anyone who idolizes the Sex Pistols as the prime movers of punk is missing the mark.
posted by freshwater_pr0n at 6:04 PM on November 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


fearfulsymmetry, thanks for that!

I will cheerfully be repeating the phrase "coin-operated candidate" umpteen zillion times up to the election.
posted by telstar at 6:06 PM on November 3, 2007


Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

If by cheated you mean you took it painfully in your ass from a dildo not called Steely Dan with no lube from a group that was an anti-hero Monkees with horrible songs*, why yes, I do all the time.

As for the Ron Paul connection: uh, what? They appeared on fricking Jay Leno together. I don't think a handshake and "Hello, Mr. Paul" within a song constitutes Elvis-asking-for-the-Bureau-of-Narcotics-and-Dangerous-Drugs-badge hysteria.**

Not that bucking the two-party system isn't some form of mild anarchy. But it's easy to see that within a society as large and diverse as the US, anarchy has no place any more than straight socialism does (and before any anarchists come in pooping their pants, I'm with you to an extent... actually, I'm probably more of a utopian socialist way-out-of-time when it comes to living my life more than anything, but whatever it is besides capitalism, I really don't think it will ever work in the US and those who are like minded have to make informed decisions accordingly). So, what's the dilemma?

Oh well, I'm glad to see Paul Cook and Steve Jones (with whatever bass player they have now) have something to do.

Thanks fearfulsymmetry for the Jello link. I hadn't caught that yet.

And BP, as much as I hate to say this, cops are cops (and conservatives are conservatives) no matter what uniform they wear.

I'm almost sorry for the screed. Meh. What does it matter, I'll probably just get hit by a car anyway.

And thanks, augustweed, for the post.

*What, that's what I always hear when seeing that clip from Winterland Ballroom, SF.

** And you know what, if some libertarian actually gets the idea that the Iraq war is really horrible from Ron Paul, maybe, just maybe, when Paul doesn't get a nomination they'll vote for someone that believes the same thing, whether that person is ultimately liberal or conservative. Or maybe I'm too optimistic on a beautiful NW Saturday afternoon. All I can see on such a wonderful afternoon is that, as Americans, we are fucked again.

posted by sleepy pete at 6:29 PM on November 3, 2007


I bet not one person here who has dismissed libertarianism or Ron Paul in this thread has ever bothered to find out more about either, and that is just despicable.

I've dismissed Ron Paul based on his voting record, no matter how great he sounds when he berates Bush and the war. He's libertarian, sure, but like a lot (most?) libertarians, he's very right-leaning on a lot of fiscal and social issues. And that's why I've dismissed libertarianism. Not entirely dismissed, but why do all libertarians sound like they've drunk the Kool-Aid? The word "cult" springs to mind.
posted by zardoz at 6:31 PM on November 3, 2007


I mixed up Ron Paul with Ru Paul

Lydon thought he was endorsing Ron Jeremy for President.

Anyway, Ron Paul makes me think of floods, droopy socks and tight underwear.

I think you've mixed up Ron Paul with Ru Paul.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 6:35 PM on November 3, 2007


Ron Paul addresses the forthcoming flood

(Fuck Rotten. Whoever Martha Wash endorses gets *my* vote!)
posted by PeterMcDermott at 6:39 PM on November 3, 2007


Zardoz, reading that voting record makes me really sad and articulates why I feel so sad and hurt when I see a Ron Paul sign in a friend's front yard, always the yard of a young, male, single friend who comes from a stable background.

Ron Paul's revolution is a selfish revolution. It's about ending the war in Iraq not because it's an unjust war, but because we don't want to get drafted ourselves. It's about sacrificing women's right to choose for the right to spark up a J before Trailer Park Boys comes on. It's about learning that people I thought were on my side are willing to toss social justice out the window in favor of comfort. It makes me cry.
posted by freshwater_pr0n at 6:57 PM on November 3, 2007 [3 favorites]


Hey, remember when presidential hopeful Steve Forbes hosted SNL and the musical guest was Rage Against the Machine?
posted by Reggie Digest at 7:02 PM on November 3, 2007


I remember one of the Pistols (probably Johnny Rotten, not sure) remarking how punk is more effective if it isn't played so super-fast.

They would think that, being that their music was basically an evolution of pub rock.
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:10 PM on November 3, 2007


@freshwater_pr0n

what? Ron Paul wants to end the Iraq War because it's an unjust war. Who cares that selfish pricks will vote for him because they don't want to get drafted? At least someone like that is honest about it. If their vote ends the occupation of Iraq then so be it. Ends justify the means and all that.

The only reason the small percentage of people who do support the Iraq war do so BECAUSE they haven't been drafted or are perhaps too old to are the real fucking assholes in my book.

And I've said it before:
A vote for Ron Paul wouldn't necessarily mean an end to Roe v Wade. And if it did, so what? South Dakota has already proved that the citizens of the state will vote to keep abortion legal even IF the state legislature does an end run around the will of the people. Ending Roe v Wade might very well be the end of the Republican Party. IMHO, if that law goes away, a lot of evangelicals would flock to progressive causes.
posted by strontiumdog at 7:43 PM on November 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


...from a group that was an anti-hero Monkees with horrible songs...

I'm sorry, all I heard was, "blah, blah, blah, I don't shit about great rock 'n' roll."

respek, Sleepy Pete, we see eye to eye on a great many things musically, but sadly, the Sex Pistols is not among them
posted by psmealey at 8:17 PM on November 3, 2007


I don't care about Ron Paul, but that was actually a very good live rendition of "Anarchy in the UK".

Fuck all you gobs that say different.
posted by yhbc at 8:25 PM on November 3, 2007


There's a weird tendency for libertarians to look like sideshow geeks (previously) and now Ron Paul seems to be sinking into that morass, though very gently.

It's a pity he has no chance of being elected. The only Republican candidate with anything to say about civil liberties is Paul, and the only Democrat is Kucinich. Neither has a snowball's chance in Hell of being elected, and I won't throw away my vote on anyone else in either party. Too often I have forgotten the rule about the lesser of two evils.
posted by jet_silver at 8:26 PM on November 3, 2007


I feel the same way jet_silver.

Those two guys are the ONLY candidates in either party I think are worth their salt.
posted by strontiumdog at 8:32 PM on November 3, 2007


A vote for Ron Paul wouldn't necessarily mean an end to Roe v Wade. And if it did, so what?

You don't have a uterus, do you?

South Dakota opted not to pass a law that's clearly unconstitutional under Roe and its progeny. If that weren't the case, states would pass different laws.
posted by ibmcginty at 8:34 PM on November 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


@ibmcginty - I see where you're going.

It took a VOTER referendum to abolish the law that the state legislature put on the books to make abortion illegal in SD. I understand that it would have been stricken based on its unconstitutionality under R v W. But the voters by a wide margin voted to have it stricken in a write in vote. Clearly, a majority of voters think abortion should be legal.

R v W is a tired old law that served its purpose. Trash it now so it's not a lightning rod for one issue voters anymore.

Abortions will still be legal.


And I don't need a uterus to see the nuance involved, thanks
posted by strontiumdog at 9:35 PM on November 3, 2007


Libertarianism is a cold war relic, lamely reinventing itself along anti-abortion lines (because its reputation is still useful as a leftover snare for the undecided). The idea of opposing Soviet inspired communism in theory is over. Now that there is no big bad Russian program to compete with, the US doesn't need to pretend that libertarianism is anything but the crazy bluff it always was. But what was really lost after the cold war was the sincere need for the US to try win the world's charm at being fair to its citizens--providing some effort here and there. No more. It's down to the party of labor and cynical capitalist wannabes again, just like before WW2.
posted by Brian B. at 10:19 PM on November 3, 2007


no, libertarianism is just freedom with a different name
posted by caddis at 11:12 PM on November 3, 2007


I'm sorry, all I heard was, "blah, blah, blah, I don't shit about great rock 'n' roll."

respek, Sleepy Pete, we see eye to eye on a great many things musically, but sadly, the Sex Pistols is not among them


Agreed, completely. But rock = spectacle (all though I like the duckwalk)? I can take it or leave it each time, know what I mean?

same goes for this election's candidates, sadly.
posted by sleepy pete at 12:20 AM on November 4, 2007


Libertarianism is a cold war relic, lamely reinventing itself along anti-abortion lines

Ron Paul, as an individual, is anti-choice and a bit loopy which is why he will be unlikely to receive my vote.

Libertarians are, on the other hand, very much pro-choice which is why I usually do vote for them. The U.S. federal government has no more business "protecting the unborn" than they do providing health care, keeping troops garrisoned all over the world, or monitoring my communications.

Libertarianism is not a relic, it is a groundswell reaction to the oppressive growth of government since the cold war under both the Democrats and Republicans.

Government is the problem; not the solution. Giving individuals control over their own lives, bodies, and money - - and getting government busybodies out of our lives - is the best way of advancing liberty. If a small group of neo-cons could reverse the direction of the Republican party, the participation of a much larger group of Libertarians can too.

The Sex Pistols performing at 50 proves that punk doesn't age well in the bottle. Only the young vintages are worth drinking.
posted by three blind mice at 12:55 AM on November 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


I bet not one person here who has dismissed libertarianism or Ron Paul in this thread has ever bothered to find out more about either, and that is just despicable.

I dismiss Ron Paul because he stinks of closeted facism. I dismiss Ron Paul because all of his all-too-earnest supporters remind me of Brown Shirts and The Third Wave. I dismiss Ron Paul because the guy's history reads as the history of an opportunistic prick.

Randian libertarianism I dismiss out of hand because it is inhumane, anti-social, and a bunch of utter crap. Libertarianism as social anarchism I embrace, because it is right and true, organic and self-actuating without inhumaneness.

For you to assume that any of us - particularly here at MetaFilter - have not yet done our homework is hubristic stupidity at it's best. Enjoy your fallacies, sir.
posted by loquacious at 2:11 AM on November 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


Well, shit, that pretty much erased all the good will I had left over for Lydon after Public Image Limited.
posted by Football Bat at 5:06 AM on November 4, 2007


Ending Roe v Wade might very well be the end of the Republican Party. IMHO, if that law goes away, a lot of evangelicals would flock to progressive causes.

No, then they start working for a federal law and/or constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion in the entire nation.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 6:22 AM on November 4, 2007


anarchy has no place any more than straight socialism does

What about queer socialism? Given that Mick Farren now lives in Hollywood, surely there's a place in the USA for the Pink Fairies?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 6:52 AM on November 4, 2007


that was actually a very good live rendition of "Anarchy in the UK"

I agree. Jonesy blew the first solo break, but I actually thought it was pretty damn good.

Interestingly, most of the criticism of the Pistols on this thread seems unimaginative, rote and perfunctory (unlike their performance, which, 30 years later, was still pretty fresh), but the criticisms of Ron Paul are valid.
posted by psmealey at 7:23 AM on November 4, 2007


I always cast a write-in for RuPaul, for what it's worth.

Beats voting for Nader.
posted by hermitosis at 9:40 AM on November 4, 2007


Libertarians are, on the other hand, very much pro-choice which is why I usually do vote for them.

This is probably not true anymore. Most libertarians are voters who identify with the slogans and philosophy, they are not candidates who belong to a party--just like Ron Paul is runnng as a Republican. As voters, they vote for anti-choice Republicans most of the time. Libertarians have recently targeted the neo-gun crowd, who are mostly crazies who collect automatic weapons and read endoftimes novels, and they recently nixed their pro-abortion platform from their website.
posted by Brian B. at 9:46 AM on November 4, 2007


Government is the problem; not the solution. Giving individuals control over their own lives, bodies, and money - - and getting government busybodies out of our lives - is the best way of advancing liberty.

Government prints and insures the money you referred to back there. We also pave the roads and provide mass transit, and water and sewage, and education and preventive healthcare for those who can't afford it. That's real freedom, and we guarantee it for each other as defense and police. How libertarians get this so wrong is why I consider it a psychological position of being trapped somehow, not a political one.
posted by Brian B. at 11:00 AM on November 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


Brian B. writes "How libertarians get this so wrong is why I consider it a psychological position of being trapped somehow, not a political one."

Your inability to grasp another's political position is not that interesting.
posted by krinklyfig at 11:19 AM on November 4, 2007


Your inability to grasp another's political position is not that interesting.

I thought I was grasping it, because I just smashed the shit out of it on the public sidewalk.
posted by Brian B. at 11:24 AM on November 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


I think you can have libertarian views and favor small government without being fundamentalist about it. That would describe a lot of people. Government is necessary, but keep it small and targeted to those things which are truly necessary. All of the things that Brian B. mentioned a couple of posts up seem necessary to me. Nation building and destroying programs, not so much so, nor farm subsidies for large farms, etc.
posted by caddis at 12:10 PM on November 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Ron Paul Wins!
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 4:02 PM on November 4, 2007


Metafilter: Your inability to grasp another's [insert anything really] position is not that interesting.
posted by Football Bat at 7:09 PM on November 4, 2007


As for the Pistols, it was a pretty damn good rendition, but, for fuck's sake, Leno? No arguments about selling out please, but that just shows a lack of taste.
posted by Football Bat at 7:11 PM on November 4, 2007


said by someone who will never be good enough to get on Leno
posted by caddis at 7:34 PM on November 4, 2007


Yeah, he's rejected my Dada noise poetry over three dozen times.
posted by Football Bat at 12:23 AM on November 5, 2007


Ron Paul = Guy Fawkes?
posted by homunculus at 10:20 AM on November 5, 2007


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