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Cool eyeball science

daver — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:37:37 -0800

Cool eyeball science Quick summary of interesting research on the output of the eyeball. 3 really cool things: 1, we know much more about the output of the eyeball now than a few years ago; 2, they've got a neural network doing visual processing like the eye; 3, most of what you see your brain makes up!

By: aladfar

aladfar — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:12:04 -0800

OK, this is creepy. What we see can't really be described as reality, it's more of a mutually agreed upon fabrication. Heavy . . . it's a good thing I didn't read this article back when I used to "indulge" in various substances. It most certainly would have resulted in many wasted hours, and perhaps a full blown "freak out".

By: Zool

Zool — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:08:31 -0800

As i keep telling people, when you see a tree it's only a tree because of mass consensus.

By: jrbender

jrbender — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:00:07 -0800

Too bad the Nature article is off limits (costs $7.00 to read). So much for the free flow of ideas in science.

By: daver

daver — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:20:39 -0800

Yes, I agree. I was actually looking at the subscription rates before being distracted by *gasp* WORK. The most interesting part for me is not so much the mass consensus thing as this: When you and I consciously see something it's already undergone a tremendous amount of processing. We commonly assume that we only act on what we consciously 'see', because that's the first time we 'see' it. Looks more and more like there's a lot of 'seeing' that happens well before you 'see' it in the theater of your mind...

By: Hankins

Hankins — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:15:52 -0800

On the topic of eye studies, the UC Davis Neurological Eye Simulator is pretty neat. If you're into eyes, that is. It's a nice manifestation of Flash being used for good, rather than merely eating bandwidth.

By: whatnotever

whatnotever — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:24:30 -0800

"most of what you see your brain makes up!" Yeah? Tell that to the dancing purple monkeys, man!!!

By: kindall

kindall — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:07:57 -0800

Some guys doing vision research at a university wrote a computer program that used a special sensor to track what word in a screenful of text your eyes were looking at. Then it randomly changed words you weren't looking at to words of the same length. It never changed a word you were looking at while you were looking at it. Without exception, the person whose eyes were being tracked had the impression that the screen was not changing at all. Of course, observers whose eyes weren't synced to the subject's found this very amusing because it was perfectly obvious to them that the screen was changing almost constantly. They would all refuse to believe that they wouldn't notice it if they were sitting in the chair with the eye tracking sensors trained on their eyeballs. Then they'd sit down and say, "Okay, you can turn it on now" -- but it was already turned on. The part of your retina with which you do most of your seeing (because it has the highest dencity of image receptors) is called the fovea. Vision researchers use the verb foveate to talk about pointing that part of your retina at a subject. I love that word and go to great lengths to work it into conversations. "I'll foveate you later." While initial research into artificial eyes will probably focus on replacing existing vision for people who have lost it, I hope eventually we'll be able to buy super-eyes. I wanna buy a pair of Zeisses with a 4X foveal density.

By: fooljay

fooljay — Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:09:07 -0800

Yes, I've always loved this paradox. When you see white lettering on a black background, it may very well be teal on brown. Now how gauche is that?!