Uses of a TASER device in this [Arizona] department increased from 71 in the year 2002 to 164 in the year 2003. Additionally, the number of officer-involved shootings decreased by 7 during this time period.In other words, it's about 93 taserings to prevent 7 shootings, meaning that for each person you taser instead of shooting, 12 others (who would not have been shot) get it too.
the key to an argument is to simultaneously criticize someone for putting words in the other person's mouth and not do it yourself. it looks incredibly silly.Accidental as it may be, you stumbled on the point of my doing that. Good for you.
the *reality* of the situation didn't support his being tasered as you see it. that's not a comment on how reality is subjective to your opinion on a subject, it's based on the interpretation of the facts.Yes, we all "interpret the facts", oh, obtuse one. Of course, you wouldn't do that. I'm still trying to parse your second sentence. For some reason you think when someone interprets the "facts" and reaches a different opinion than you, they are being subjective. You, however are obviously plugged into a higher reality.
you have said that you do not believe the old man put his hands up to hit the officer; you believe it was in self defense. i don't necessarily believe that, based on the other facts in the case. as such, our positions differ.Oh, you did. I guess it's a different kind of subjectivity when you do it.
the only people who truly have the "reality" of the situation are the old man, his wife and the two cops who were there.Which doesn't stop you from forming an opinion that only the police are to be believed. Interesting.
the rest of us are in a fantasy story world.No, only some of us.
if you can't recognize that, i can't help but feel sorry for you. you're as much of an armchair quarterback as this "mefi tough guy" is. you just think your emotional attachment means you're not.Well, I should feel sorry for someone in "fantasy story world" who undermined his own right to have his opinion taken seriously by claiming everything everyone else says is subjective, and yet goes right on opining as if his own subjective appraisal of the facts weren't. Yet, I don't. You are just confused as all hell, aren't you? That's what happens when you claim to adhere to "facts" when it is obvious that you started with a conclusion and are just retro-fitting facts to it.
At no point does Dziekanski appear to be a threat to others, who attempt to help him while they wait for airport security or the police.If one of the airport staff had helped the mother to find her son, he'd still be alive. None of them did.
Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers finally arrive and surround Dziekanski, who does not appear to be acting in a threatening manner toward them either. Nevertheless, they quickly Taser Dziekanski, who falls to the ground, is descended upon by the officers and is apparently Tasered again.
Mr. Dziekanski arrived with three bags, two of which were filled with geography books.Indeed.
it's the little things, the details, that often break your heart.
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And somebody who needed subduing in an airport got tasered with an extremely unfortunate outcome.
Move along.
posted by Frasermoo at 9:20 AM on November 10, 2007