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	<title>Comments on: Tanks a lot.</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:02:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Tanks a lot.</title>
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		<description>Ever wanted your own personal tank? Then the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/rip_saw_ugv_tank_fast_as_a_mot.html&quot;&gt;Rip Saw UGV&lt;/a&gt; might be just what you&apos;ve been looking for. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or maybe you need something more sporty? How about &lt;a href=&quot;http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hyanide.htm&quot;&gt;the &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/5fa21e6759a4c010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html&quot;&gt;Hyanide&lt;/a&gt;? 

Whether it&apos;s just something enjoyable to ride, or something far more sinister, either are perfect for your fun filled, post-apocalyptic, cross-country, zombie-infestation needs.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:46:52 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>quin</dc:creator>		<category>RipSawUGV</category>		<category>Hyanide</category>		<category>tanks</category>		<category>trackedvehicle</category>		<category>fun</category>
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		<title>By: Iridic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919534</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve never wanted my own personal tank.  But I find that I want the Rip Saw anyway.</description>
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		<title>By: Debaser626</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919552</link>	
		<description>WANT!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:06:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrzarquon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919592</link>	
		<description>Merge this thread with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/66694/USA-USA&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;. And we gots ourselves one heck of a zombie pacification device.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:18:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Artw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919596</link>	
		<description>stripped down Rip Saw + dual shotgun bed racks + twin auto shotguns = WIN!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:19:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Astro Zombie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919605</link>	
		<description>For the man who has everything except the Batmobile.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:21:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pantengliopoli</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919633</link>	
		<description>Rip Saw UGV tank, fast as a (slow) motorcycle!

Cool vehicle though.  I wonder if it could knock over/through a more substantial structure, like a well framed house or a concrete wall.  As mrzarquon says, we&apos;re getting close to the perfect zombie pacification arsenal.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:31:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pantengliopoli</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919648</link>	
		<description>No offense Astro.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:38:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kittens for breakfast</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919676</link>	
		<description>Dude, YES.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:53:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: prostyle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919679</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ever wanted your own personal tank?&lt;/em&gt;

No, but I have wanted an RKG-3 to throw at my neighbors the next time he rolls up his drive.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:56:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Long and Troublesome Lameness</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919722</link>	
		<description>This reminds me of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088224/&quot;&gt;greatest movie in the history of western cinema.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:19:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeffamaphone</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919751</link>	
		<description>How did I know what that would be before I even clicked on it.  I don&apos;t know how I sat through that movie.  Oh wait, I was in the midwest at the time.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:37:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pax digita</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919795</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;(in best Crocodile Dundee voice)&lt;/small&gt;

Tank?  &lt;i&gt;Tank?&lt;/i&gt;  Heh.  That&apos;s no tank.  That&apos;s a somewhat-more-rugged than-usual ATV.    I bet the curb weight on this baby is way less than a six-wheel transfer truck.

One lousy .50 round in the right place and this thing&apos;s a $200,000.00 paperweight.  And that&apos;s nothing compared to what a &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; antitank weapon or a round from a  actual tank -- even a WW II-vintage &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman&quot;&gt;M-4 Sherman&lt;/a&gt; -- would do to this &quot;tank&quot;; you&apos;d be really tired if you started walking around trying to identify all the far-flung debris.  

Let&apos;s see these Ripsaw guys try &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vord.net/friends/skoda/bigtank.html&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.  And remember, anymore the Sherman&apos;s a &lt;i&gt;small&lt;/i&gt; tank (in its day, it was classed as a &quot;medium&quot; tank, in fact).   A &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_2_tank&quot;&gt;Challenger&lt;/a&gt; or an &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrams_tank&quot;&gt;Abrams&lt;/a&gt;, now, that&apos;s a &lt;i&gt;big&lt;/i&gt; tank -- either has a curb weight more than twice that of a Sherman.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:09:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wfrgms</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919811</link>	
		<description>Uhh... pax digita&apos;s sherman tank is flying a confederate flag?  WTF?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:22:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Toekneesan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919818</link>	
		<description>Does it come as a hybrid? How many cup holders?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Artw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919835</link>	
		<description>wdrgms - Perhaps it&apos;s escaped from a crappy Harry Turtledove novel?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:39:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Artw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919838</link>	
		<description>Also seconding the not-tank-actually-somewhat-more-rugged than-usual-ATV. 

Though it&apos;s still less silly than a H2.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:41:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Malor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919891</link>	
		<description>Yeah, that&apos;s probably not armored as well as even an APC.  It&apos;d be good against light machine gun fire -- maybe -- but not much else.   

I think even the pillboxes with wheels from WW1 could probably take one of those out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:14:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ROU_Xenophobe</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919906</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;One lousy .50 round in the right place and this thing&apos;s a $200,000.00 paperweight.&lt;/i&gt;

I&apos;ll admit that this was my reaction too, but to me it looked like you could punch holes in it with a deer rifle.

And no protection for the tracks and drive wheels.

Probably safer in some good old fashioned Detroit Iron from the mid 60s.  I&apos;m sure you could take down a tarpaper crap-shack with a 65 Caddy, too.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:26:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: freshwater_pr0n</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919911</link>	
		<description>It both amuses and terrifies me to find out that this thing is designed and built by identical twins.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:29:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrzarquon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919917</link>	
		<description>Well, it looks like you got plenty of space on that to add some more armor, beefier engine to keep you moving quickly, and you have a decent light recon scout that adds more maneuverability than a heavier unit.

Not to mention a really good base to put an attack robot on.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:34:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pax digita</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919924</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;It&apos;d be good against light machine gun fire -- maybe
&lt;/em&gt;
You couldn&apos;t get me to sit inside that while it got strafed with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m249.htm&quot;&gt;SAW&lt;/a&gt; or an &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPK&quot;&gt;RPK&lt;/a&gt; for any amount of money.  I think that sheet metal&apos;s just heavy-gauge enough to contain the rounds that penetrate it initially so they&apos;ll ricochet around the interior of the vehicle doing additional damage to whatever else they hit.

wfrgms, it&apos;s even funnier when you realize that like most redneck dumbfucks, they&apos;re expressing their Southern &quot;heritage&quot; not with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Confederate_Flag.htm&quot;&gt;actual Confederate flag&lt;/a&gt; (scroll down) but with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&amp;um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=com.google%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=FqI&amp;q=confederate+navy+jack&amp;btnG=Search+Images&quot;&gt;Confederate Navy jack&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:38:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919928</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Probably safer in some good old fashioned Detroit Iron from the mid 60s.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&apos;t disagree, but the average &apos;67 Impala doesn&apos;t quite have the same climbing abilities. 

Though if someone happens to have one that they feel proves me wrong, I&apos;ll be happy to take it as a donation. 
&lt;em&gt;
I&apos;m sure you could take down a tarpaper crap-shack with a 65 Caddy, too.&lt;/em&gt;

*considers*

We need a &apos;65 Cadillac and a tar paper shack. This is for Science! damn it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:41:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wckdgfy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1919965</link>	
		<description>Looks useful for SF Bay Area freeways!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:05:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mattoxic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1920010</link>	
		<description>A tracked vehicle has superior off road capabilities to a wheeled vehicle? No way, man. No way.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:41:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Balisong</title>
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		<description>This will be awesome for post-apocalypse road-warrior combat.
You&apos;ll need to add a crossbow/ballista turret and spikes and expanded metal windshield to fend off molitov cocktails.  

And a hockey mask.  You&apos;ll need a hockey mask.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:45:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: phoffmann</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1920607</link>	
		<description>If you watch the 13 minute movie you will find that the true purpose for the rip-saw is to solve domestic abuse situations.  I always wondered what people did in maine all winter.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:41:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slap*Happy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1920915</link>	
		<description>The army doesn&apos;t currently have a Fast Attack Vehicle since the jeep was retired. The Hummer is really a half-ton truck, re-purposed beyond all feasability. 

As a weapons platform, ammo hauler, comm center, or any other go-anywhere heavy hauling small vehicle, it&apos;s great. As a conveyance for mobile infantry, it sucks. Slow, awkward, thirsty. They need something like the ripsaw to reprise the FAV niche - maneuverable and fast and comparatively efficient.

What&apos;s more, main battletanks and APC&apos;s are on their way out. Too slow and too big - they&apos;re perfect targets for new and cheap next-gen anti-armor RPGs and anti-tank missiles. Something that&apos;s too small and quick to point a Wampyr at and its engine too small to be interesting to Javelin&apos;s targeting system.

A ripsaw with a big commodity pickup-truck diesel engine and composite armor (rather than big slabs-o-steel) is a fantastic idea. Light, so it&apos;s easy to airdrop, fast and maneuverable in all terrain... including urban environments.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:08:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Artw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1920932</link>	
		<description>Of course there is the invention known as &quot;The helicopter&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:22:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slap*Happy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/66724/Tanks-a-lot#1921060</link>	
		<description>Choppers? 30 million bux each, guzzles aviation fuel, needs an eight man maintenance crew and a pair of officers with a few hundred hours of training to pilot, and is also hard to hide in the treeline.

Ripsaw? Quarter mill each, gets 20mpg on farm-grade diesel, needs two dumb grunts and a motorpool mechanic. You can hide it under a big hardware store tarp. Really good at hauling around shoulder-mounted anti-hellicopter missiles.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:20:17 -0800</pubDate>
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