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		<title>Historic Celestial Atlas Illustrations</title>
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		<description>In 1627, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/services/digital/ebooks/schiller/schiller005.shtml&quot;&gt;Schiller&apos;s Coelum Stellatum Christianum attempted to replace the mythical constellation figures with Christian figures&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/services/digital/index.shtml&quot;&gt;More&lt;/a&gt; from the Linda Hall Library Digital Services Unit. &lt;b&gt;Art, illustration, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; astronomy aficionados&lt;/b&gt; will appreciate the beauty of historic celestial atlas illustrations: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usno.navy.mil/library/rare/Bayer%201603.htm&quot;&gt;Bayer&apos;s Uranometria 1603&lt;/a&gt; (also the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usno.navy.mil/library/rare/Bayer%201603.htm&quot;&gt;1661 Edition&lt;/a&gt;), &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.genie.it/utenti/c/caglieris_gm/fortin/costellazion_englishi.htm&quot;&gt;Flamsteed - Fortin Atlas Celeste - 1776&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.genie.it/utenti/c/caglieris_gm/fortin/english.htm&quot;&gt;text intro&lt;/a&gt;),  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usno.navy.mil/library/artwork/jamieson.htm&quot;&gt;Celestial Atlas by Alexander Jamieson&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://hubblesource.stsci.edu/sources/illustrations/constellations/&quot;&gt;HubbleSource&lt;/a&gt; is cleaning up scans from one historic atlas and &lt;a href=&quot;http://hubblesource.stsci.edu/sources/illustrations/constellations/&quot;&gt;making them available in web and hi-res versions&lt;/a&gt; for use in non-commercial applications. (See also: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidrumsey.com/directory/what/Celestial/&quot;&gt;David Rumsey Map Collection&lt;/a&gt;, and the exhibition &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/events_exhib/exhibit/exhibits/stars/intro.htm&quot;&gt;Out of this World&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/events_exhib/exhibit/exhibits/stars/index.htm&quot;&gt;index&lt;/a&gt; &amp;amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/events_exhib/exhibit/exhibits/stars/toc.htm&quot;&gt;T.O.C.&lt;/a&gt;), more &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usno.navy.mil/library/artwork/artwork.html&quot;&gt;Images, Artwork and Historical Objects at the US Naval Observatory&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note: &lt;i&gt;Some&lt;/i&gt; of the links above have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/43193/Star-Atlases-Mercator-Globes-and-Celestial-Sundries&quot;&gt;posted&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/52987/Antique-Celestial-Maps&quot;&gt;previously&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:32:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>spock</dc:creator>		<category>historic</category>		<category>illustrations</category>		<category>celestial</category>		<category>constellations</category>		<category>astronomy</category>		<category>uranometria</category>		<category>ephemera</category>
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		<title>By: spock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1944939</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;Saint Peter&apos;s Boat formerly Ursa Major.&quot;&gt;St. Peter&apos;s boat, formerly Ursa Major&lt;/a&gt; (Big Bear/Big Dipper), &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lhl.lib.mo.us/services/digital/ebooks/schiller/schiller037.shtml&quot;&gt;St. Michael the Archangel, formerly Ursa Minor&lt;/a&gt; (Little Bear/Little Dipper).</description>
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		<title>By: spock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1944953</link>	
		<description>See also: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ianridpath.com/atlases/urania.htm&quot;&gt;Urania&apos;s Mirror&lt;/a&gt;,  a boxed set of 32 constellation cards first published by Samuel Leigh of the Strand, London, in or shortly before 1825.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1944958</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Warning:&lt;/b&gt; You could spend a &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;lot of time&lt;/b&gt; at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lhl.lib.mo.us/services/digital/index.shtml&quot;&gt;&quot;more&quot; link&lt;/a&gt; alone.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:47:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mister_A</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1944970</link>	
		<description>Neat! I like to say &quot;flamsteed&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1944985</link>	
		<description>Ugly, but informative: &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mythinglinks.org/ct~starlore.html&quot;&gt;Common Themes, East &amp;amp; West:Star Lore &amp;amp; Astrology&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gtosiris/index1.html&quot;&gt;Studies of Occidental Constellations and Star Names to the Classical Period: An Annotated Bibliography&lt;/a&gt;, including &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gtosiris/page11.html&quot;&gt;Illustration Gallery: Astronomical Artifacts and Cuneiform Tablets, etc.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:57:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Horken Bazooka</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1944993</link>	
		<description>I miss the old flamsteed.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:59:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945018</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;&quot;The urge to redesign the sky is hardly new. In the 6th century AD, Gregory of Tours, a Frankish bishop and historian, wanted no part of the astrology and astral religion of the ancients. In his treatise &lt;i&gt;De Cursu Stellarum&lt;/i&gt; (&quot;On the Course of the Stars&quot;), he replaced the traditional figures with more suitable Christian imagery. Cygnus, the Swan, became the Greater Cross. Delphinus, the Dolphin, and Lyra, the Harp, which flank Cygnus, were transformed into Alpha and Omega, the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. In Christian symbolism, they represent totality and often accompany the Cross.&lt;/small&gt;
&lt;small&gt;Similarly disturbed by the pagan origin of the ancient constellations, Bede of Jarrow, an English monk, advocated replacement of the 12 constellations of the zodiac with 11 Apostles and John the Baptist.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;small&gt;Almost a millennium later, in 1627, Julius Schiller&apos;s biblical reformation of the sky turned all of the constellations into a new celestial testament. Schiller was a German Catholic lawyer committed to astronomical cartography. His &lt;i&gt;Coelum Stellatum Christianum&lt;/i&gt; populated the northern celestial hemisphere with New Testament figures like Mary Magdalene (Cassiopeia), St. Peter&apos;s Boat (Ursa Major), and the Apostle Paul (Perseus). Characters from the Old Testament, including King David (Canis Major) and Abraham and Isaac (Centaurus), put chapter and verse into the southern half of the sky. Although the Dutch cartographer Andreas Cellarius included Schiller&apos;s scripturally correct skies in &lt;i&gt;Harmonia Macrocosmica seu Atlas Universalis et Novus&lt;/i&gt; in 1660, Schiller&apos;s evangelical astronomy did not permanently convert the constellations to Christianity.&quot;&lt;/small&gt; (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.skytonight.com/documents/200704047048.pdf&quot;&gt;Private Astronomy&lt;/a&gt; - PDF)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Artw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945054</link>	
		<description>You know, this would be ideal for some kind of alt-history story where the enlightenment never happened.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:43:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WPW</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945292</link>	
		<description>Brilliant stuff.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:41:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: generalist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945370</link>	
		<description>Excellent post, thank you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:09:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945490</link>	
		<description>Nice post!

&lt;small&gt;If we&apos;re going to revamp the constellations MetaFilterically, I get dibs on Ursa Major.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:15:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grimgrin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945566</link>	
		<description>I can see why it never caught on there. Instead of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_(constellation)&quot;&gt;The Lion&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpius&quot;&gt;The Scorpion&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurus_%28constellation%29&quot;&gt;The Bull&lt;/a&gt; and so forth, you&apos;ve got &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/services/digital/ebooks/schiller/schiller083.shtml&quot;&gt;The guy with the stick&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/services/digital/ebooks/schiller/schiller089.shtml&quot;&gt;the guy sitting down&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lindahall.org/services/digital/ebooks/schiller/schiller077.shtml&quot;&gt;the guy with two sticks&lt;/a&gt; and on in that vein.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:58:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Opposite George</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945642</link>	
		<description>First of all, great post!

Art, illustration and astronomy afficionados &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; also appreciate H. A. Rey&apos;s (yes, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-2308643-0058840?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=curious+george&amp;x=0&amp;y=0&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; H. A. Rey) &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395248302/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Stars:  A New Way to Look at Them.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;  

One problem with traditional constellation drawings is that their connection to the star layout could be charitably described as fanciful at best.  Curious George&apos;s dad sticks with the traditional Western sky culture, but redraws them in a more-cartoony style, making them much more easy to recognize and remember.   Compare &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/images/00030V-7397.JPG&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; (from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0000jS&quot;&gt;Edward Tufte&apos;s blog entry on the book&lt;/a&gt;) to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unf.edu/~lkmao/astronomy/skies/july.jpg&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;

I say astronomy afficionados &quot;might&quot; appreciate Rey&apos;s book because many belittle the book -- the drawings aren&apos;t traditional, Rey replaces Greek and Latin names with English, he employs dimmer stars to make his drawings work.  Yes, all of that is true but Rey&apos;s method nonetheless is a great, non-intimidating introduction to getting acquainted with the sky (hey, it worked for me.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:40:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lathrop</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1945862</link>	
		<description>The astronomical graphics of Guy Ottewell are quite remarkable as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:12:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peacay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1946052</link>	
		<description>Thanks for this!
It&apos;s said that there were four great star atlases - Bayer in 1603; Hevelius in 1690 (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aai.ee/muuseum/Uranomeetria/HTML/index.html?hevelius.htm&quot;&gt;b&amp;amp;w&lt;/a&gt;); Flamsteed in 1729 and Bode in 1801 (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aai.ee/muuseum/Uranomeetria/HTML/index.html?bode.htm&quot;&gt;b&amp;amp;w&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atlascoelestis.com/15.htm&quot;&gt;colour&lt;/a&gt;).
These are both excellent resources too: 
--&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/celestia/celestia.htm&quot;&gt;Historical Celestial Atlases on the Web&lt;/a&gt; 
--&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atlascoelestis.com/&quot;&gt;Atlas Coelestis homesite&lt;/a&gt;. 
&lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;(psst! The St Peter&apos;s Boat linky is borked)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:32:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/67418/Historic-Celestial-Atlas-Illustrations#1946090</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lhl.lib.mo.us/services/digital/ebooks/schiller/schiller039.shtml&quot;&gt;Corrected St. Peter&apos;s Boat linky&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:54:34 -0800</pubDate>
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