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The girl who stares (her only talent) is quickly becoming a youtube phenomenon. Participate in the demise of our culture and watch her do nothing.
posted by pwally (179 comments total) 15 users marked this as a favorite

 
No.
posted by poweredbybeard at 8:07 PM on January 17, 2008


No.
posted by oddman at 8:08 PM on January 17, 2008


O.K. let me be the first but probably not the last to say that she looks like a Keane painting come to life.
posted by agatha_magatha at 8:08 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


Why?
posted by flatluigi at 8:09 PM on January 17, 2008


I win!
posted by furtive at 8:09 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]


No.
posted by arcticwoman at 8:09 PM on January 17, 2008


"...and she's buying a stareway to youtube..."
posted by jonmc at 8:09 PM on January 17, 2008 [18 favorites]


A good thread values uniqueness over novelty.
posted by Remy at 8:10 PM on January 17, 2008


I am Jack's complete lack of a comment.
posted by Token Meme at 8:12 PM on January 17, 2008


She's not very good. I saw her blink!
posted by amyms at 8:15 PM on January 17, 2008


eh
posted by jeblis at 8:16 PM on January 17, 2008


classic.
posted by shoepal at 8:17 PM on January 17, 2008


Appears to holding something in her mouth. Maybe she a mute and wants to get on the You Tube 15 minutes of fame train
posted by brickman at 8:17 PM on January 17, 2008


No.
posted by aaronetc at 8:18 PM on January 17, 2008 [3 favorites]


Well, that's 36 seconds I'm not going to get back.

Is this like the new "rickrolled" video? Are we going to get "starerolled" now?
posted by Kadin2048 at 8:18 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


Part of me is like "Oh, lame."

Part of me is like "Oh my god, she is so fucking cute".
posted by padraigin at 8:18 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]


O_O
posted by Effigy2000 at 8:19 PM on January 17, 2008 [7 favorites]


I'm not participating in the demise of our culture. I'm listening to "Disco Inferno" instead. I'm not trying to be funny or anything, that's really what I'm doing. Oops, sounds like Grand Funk Railroad is next. Plenty of culture here.
posted by marxchivist at 8:21 PM on January 17, 2008


Effigy2000: "O_O"

Alright. It's 11:21 PM, I'm dog-tired, and I have absolutely no skills with this sort of thing but imagine that I have just linked to an amazing video edit of this and the HypnoToad.

That is all, carry on.
posted by flatluigi at 8:22 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]


Great, am I going to die in seven days now?
posted by miss lynnster at 8:22 PM on January 17, 2008 [14 favorites]


she says something and beeps in this one.
posted by birdherder at 8:23 PM on January 17, 2008


If our culture really cannot withstand the not-so-blistering stare of a cute (half?) Japanese girl, maybe our culture wasn't worth much to begin with.

P.S. do it to me every time
posted by chrominance at 8:25 PM on January 17, 2008


jonmc wins the thread hands down.
posted by localroger at 8:26 PM on January 17, 2008


her blog (translated Here)

Meatballs by ravioli? o_o O_o
It is strange, but delicious. Mi ☆

♪ ♪ shared with my sister.
♪♪ My sister is always a dish I like ♪ ♪

(^v^*) People eat it up, I want to be happy (v ^ ^ *)

posted by Gary at 8:27 PM on January 17, 2008


she's not going to ask us to come over with wine coolers, is she?
posted by tremspeed at 8:29 PM on January 17, 2008 [3 favorites]


and you'd keep my fingernails clean
posted by cortex at 8:31 PM on January 17, 2008


jonmc wins the thread hands down.

no offense to jonmc, but is there really that much to win here?
posted by Mikey-San at 8:32 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]


damn if my assumptions are correct she sure won the happa lottery. She's like right out of an anime, eg. Crest of the Stars or something.
posted by panamax at 8:33 PM on January 17, 2008


I loved it, it was better than Cats.
posted by mattbucher at 8:34 PM on January 17, 2008 [4 favorites]


I'll bring home the turkey if you bring home the bacon
posted by ludwig_van at 8:36 PM on January 17, 2008


I loved it, it was better than Cats.

I loved it, it was better than RENT.
posted by ericb at 8:37 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


She's got nothing on Jessamyn.
posted by Eideteker at 8:37 PM on January 17, 2008


Jesus. Are we going to have a post on Cracky-chan next?
posted by "Tex" Connor and the Wily Roundup Boys at 8:37 PM on January 17, 2008


>>> she says something and beeps in this one.

She's playing Brain Age on her Nintendo DS. Makes for a neat little cartoon moment around 0:08.
posted by grabbingsand at 8:39 PM on January 17, 2008


WGA eat your loquacious hearts out.
posted by sammyo at 8:40 PM on January 17, 2008


.
posted by Jikido at 8:40 PM on January 17, 2008


jailbait
posted by C17H19NO3 at 8:41 PM on January 17, 2008


I think what you guys are looking for is:
Cos I can't even look in your eyes without shaking

posted by felix grundy at 8:48 PM on January 17, 2008


I don't like the future anymore.
posted by pazazygeek at 8:50 PM on January 17, 2008 [3 favorites]


This is better staring.
posted by empath at 8:51 PM on January 17, 2008 [4 favorites]


Belladonna.
posted by alms at 8:51 PM on January 17, 2008


There's a reasonable amount of cleavage in this one.
posted by metaldark at 8:52 PM on January 17, 2008


Can't sleep. Girl Who Stares will eat me.
posted by Cyrano at 8:54 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]


( 0) ( 0)......( --) ( --)......( 0) ( 0)
posted by inqb8tr at 8:55 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]


Here kitty kitty kitty...here kitty...good kitty!
posted by unknowncommand at 8:57 PM on January 17, 2008


FREEBIRD!
posted by iamabot at 8:58 PM on January 17, 2008


I have been told that those 36 seconds are not returnable, nor redeemable for cash or credit except where required by law.
posted by Memo at 9:02 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


She too, is waiting for Godot.
posted by Tube at 9:03 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]


On one of her MySpace sites she writes:
"Let's forget the guns and just banggg."

Female
14 years old
Kodo, Tokyo
Japan

Mood: exanimate
™Love-a-Lot Bear is a weird-ass Japanese girl.

Discussed on another site:
she's not japanese, she's just a wanna be. In fact she's a 25 year old almost amish girl who lives in Pennsylvania working at cvs pharmacy about 20 hrs a week. SHe spends most of her time making youtube videos at home being a hermit. She's a high school dropout. How do I know all this? We used to be friends until we argued a lot. She had radical views about education and looked down on students who "wasted time and money" going to college. She said she's "happy" to make minimum wage for the rest of her life (lol wth?) She's anti-society. Everyday she attempts to make new youtube videos in hope of getting scouted by Japanese modeling agencies. The whole world revolves around her and her dogmatic views. Her parents are drunk amish people who neglect her and her younger sister. The woman has got some psychological issues =[

Wapanese, Wannabe Japanese?

The Encyclopedia Dramatica entry for MRirian.

My interpretation is that she's a conceptual artist doing a sophisticated feminist parody of the entire anime doe eyed submissive female stereotype. Well done Magi!
posted by nickyskye at 9:04 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]


It's better if you're listening to Guided by Voices while watching
posted by 235w103 at 9:04 PM on January 17, 2008 [3 favorites]


乳房
posted by birdherder at 9:04 PM on January 17, 2008


You see what I did there.
posted by moonbird at 9:04 PM on January 17, 2008


birdherder: 牛乳をしない私は、弟
posted by moonbird at 9:07 PM on January 17, 2008


My interpretation is that she's a conceptual artist doing a sophisticated feminist parody of the entire anime doe eyed submissive female stereotype. Well done Magi!

I admire your optimism, nickyskye.
posted by Memo at 9:13 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


i still say she's jailbait
posted by C17H19NO3 at 9:13 PM on January 17, 2008


She's definitely not Japanese, and that definitely doesn't look like a Japanese house.
posted by empath at 9:18 PM on January 17, 2008


I am Jack's complete lack of a comment.
posted by Token Meme at 10:12 PM on January 17 [+] [!]


That's pretty goddamn eponysterical.
posted by middleclasstool at 9:20 PM on January 17, 2008 [3 favorites]


moonbird: mac translator tells me you said...

As for me who do not do the milk, the younger brother
posted by birdherder at 9:20 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


she's a 25 year old almost amish girl who lives in Pennsylvania

this explains the quilts on the bed then
posted by inqb8tr at 9:21 PM on January 17, 2008


That's the same look I get from the puppy, until I say "C'mon, wanna go for a car ride? Yes you do. Let's find your collar, ok?"
posted by ninjew at 9:21 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


Is this the Mike Gravel version of "Obama Girl"?
posted by naju at 9:22 PM on January 17, 2008 [7 favorites]


birdherder, thanks for the LOL that shot wine at a high velocity from my nose (white, cabernet sauvignon).
posted by moonbird at 9:25 PM on January 17, 2008


I'll give her something to stare at!

I don't even know what I mean.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:31 PM on January 17, 2008


I loved it, it was better than Cats.

Oh, as if something is WORSE than Cats?

"Midnight... and the kitties are staaaring..."
posted by miss lynnster at 9:31 PM on January 17, 2008


Cut it out with the cleavage and tits jokes, already.
posted by Rumple at 9:47 PM on January 17, 2008


She has no epicanthral folds. And she seems a little young for eyelid surgery. So... I guess hapa?
posted by pseudostrabismus at 9:51 PM on January 17, 2008


She reminds me of my Wii.
posted by smackfu at 9:58 PM on January 17, 2008


Some people don't just stare.
posted by tellurian at 10:03 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


i think her "quickly becoming a youtube phenomenon" has less to do with her staring and more to do with her chest. but i'm with @nickyskye, this gal's totally sanjayan' us.
posted by joshuajcohen at 10:07 PM on January 17, 2008


Wait... that's ME in that youtubery!! I'm... staring back at me! B-But I didn't.... huh... how? did...? I wasn't there... I was never there! just... staring...
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!

[We'll return with more "Outer Limits 2008" on the SciFi Channel after these words from our sponsors.]
posted by not_on_display at 10:11 PM on January 17, 2008


Cut it out with the cleavage and tits jokes, already.
posted by Rumple at 11:47 PM on January 17


Uh, no?

She's an attention whore. She doesn't get to choose what kind of attention she gets. And I doubt she cares, as long as the hit counter keeps advancing.

This is the future, where everyone is famous, just briefly.

Who knew the 15 minutes of fame would become 15 seconds of YouTube 500k hits?
posted by Ynoxas at 10:11 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


She doesn't get to choose what kind of attention she gets.

And you don't get to decide how many people read your petulant comment scraps and decide you're a childish dolt, somewhere above kindergarten, somewhere below housetrained.

And nickyskye, that was actually a very keen observation.
posted by peacay at 10:22 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]


nickyskye writes "Her parents are drunk amish people who [sad part omitted]."

Drunk Amish?

I bet their furniture sucks.

I got nothin ...
posted by krinklyfig at 10:27 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


Umm. Sugar Plum Faries?
posted by billtron at 10:42 PM on January 17, 2008


Clearly a cry for help.

If I l lived in Pennsylvania and worked at a CVS, I would totally turn Japanese.
posted by Skygazer at 10:53 PM on January 17, 2008


No. A thousand times no.
posted by squirrel at 10:57 PM on January 17, 2008


The great bit about this is when you get to the end of the vid, and youtube asks you 'Would you like to watch again?'


WHY THE FUCK would I want to watch that again? I'm just beginning to come to terms with the simple fact that I watched it the first time, and I'm probably years away from quite understanding why I made it to the end.
posted by pompomtom at 11:21 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


Is that an American flag reflected in the window on the right in this video? What does it mean? What does it all mean?
posted by rfbjames at 11:28 PM on January 17, 2008


Ironically, when she filmed that, I was at her window, just staring at her.

Oh, sure, when I do it, it's creepy.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:38 PM on January 17, 2008 [14 favorites]


If her videos are blowing up at youtube, it's because she's cute and she's making puppy-dog faces. She's not really just staring at the camera.
posted by 23skidoo at 11:44 PM on January 17, 2008


So what's the sexism flag count looking like on this thread so far? Some of you guys are acting like fucking sleazebags. Unless you're 15 years old or in a frat, you have no excuse.
posted by empath at 11:45 PM on January 17, 2008 [10 favorites]


Bob: ...No.

Charlotte: ...no.
posted by From Bklyn at 12:08 AM on January 18, 2008


This is only the youtube vid John Cage wishes he'd made. Nature abhors a vacuum but the internet loves one - the more empty and pointless a post, the more of a Rorschachian ink blot it becomes. The final iteration of this will be a five minute movie of a black screen with the text 'THIS MOVIE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK'.
posted by RokkitNite at 12:12 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


I'll give this person credit for being able to carry a facial expression with no guile whatsoever. It is an eentsy bit compelling from that perspective, inasmuch as a person rarely encounters such a thing in life.

But mostly, this is just a reminder of why my kids won't get computers in their rooms.
posted by davejay at 12:22 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Wait until the video response is posted... some dude blinking.
posted by Effigy2000 at 12:23 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


So what's the sexism flag count looking like on this thread so far?

I took comments like When does she take her top off? as less of an attempt at sexism and more of an attempt at, "What's the point?" But maybe that's just because that's all I took away from watching the video. I was hoping for something freaky (err...not that freaky), or otherwise remotely emotionally moving/appealing/engaging/something.

I suppose it's postmodern like the painter who puts up a blank canvas as his offering. I'm failing to see the merit.
posted by Brak at 12:37 AM on January 18, 2008


I came in here to see how quickly people pegged her as an American wannabe and nickyskye has it, like, thirty posts in. Like we need proof that she's not actually Japanese? I mean, the voice! The sort-of-not-really-accented-enough English! She's faking the whole thing so hard it's painful to watch. I'd rather that she actually DID stare at the camera in ALL her videos.
posted by lou at 12:50 AM on January 18, 2008


Yeah, like i'm going to spend my time putting up with the blank stares of some random person on youtube. I do that enough at work.
posted by sambosambo at 1:19 AM on January 18, 2008




Much more exciting than snooker.


But then, y'know, what isn't?
posted by No Mutant Enemy at 2:00 AM on January 18, 2008


I recommend playing this in the background while watching her videos.

Go ahead and skip to the 3:36 minute mark for a single use.

TOTALLY EPIC BRO.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 2:04 AM on January 18, 2008


her Japanese intonation and fluency quotient is actually better than 80-90% of the (non-Asian) foreigners in Japan, so that's something. She wouldn't have much of a shelf-life as a tarento perhaps, but she's got the basic angle to get her there.
posted by panamax at 2:19 AM on January 18, 2008


She needs a pancake on her head. Then she'd have something.
posted by MarvinTheCat at 2:35 AM on January 18, 2008 [4 favorites]


She's got to be using an Amish laptop. Hope she's got protection against that Amish computer virus thing.

No guile, davejay? Her performances (my fave) are guile to the nth. She's milking that kawaii kindergarten look for all its worth.

sanjayan'

ha. That was a good one joshuajcohen. Love those postmodernist layers.

a pancake would do it

Good one (actually, they were dorayaki). Or a waffle (RIP Oolong). Or maybe a job selling these?
posted by nickyskye at 2:55 AM on January 18, 2008


Ugh. Come on now, WHO actually goes around speaking in the high, cutesy tones of Super Pink Happy Lucky Anime Character? (A lot, but you know what I mean.)
posted by Xere at 2:56 AM on January 18, 2008


I liked it better when she as swinging that leek around.
posted by bunglin jones at 3:13 AM on January 18, 2008 [2 favorites]


Oh, I love that spinning leek, this one's the techno version, it's right up there with Schnappi [click at your own meme addiction risk].
posted by nickyskye at 3:28 AM on January 18, 2008 [2 favorites]


*it's worth, ach
posted by nickyskye at 3:29 AM on January 18, 2008


Amish internet? That's a hell of a lot of pigeons!
posted by Sparx at 3:50 AM on January 18, 2008 [9 favorites]


How do you keep an idiot audience in suspense......................?
posted by doctorschlock at 3:56 AM on January 18, 2008


I have a strong urge to punch her in the face.
posted by dasheekeejones at 3:59 AM on January 18, 2008


MetaFilter: TITS OR GTFO
posted by Eideteker at 4:03 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Whenever something small and big-eyed stares that intently at me, I want to pat it on the head and check my pockets for a biscuit.

I have been well trained by my dogs.
posted by cmyk at 4:11 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


SHE BLINKED! FINALLY! I win a virtual staring contest! I been trying for years!
posted by ZachsMind at 5:04 AM on January 18, 2008


Some of you guys are acting like fucking sleazebags.

Newcastle Mefite Meetup.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 5:16 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Staring girl is watching you masturbate.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 5:23 AM on January 18, 2008 [3 favorites]


My interpretation is that she's a conceptual artist doing a sophisticated feminist parody of the entire anime doe eyed submissive female stereotype. Well done Magi!
Oh, nickyskye, all mammals are cute when they are young, even hyenas. It's the large eyes, I guess. But you know she's probably either a Borderline or a Narcissist.
posted by RussHy at 5:30 AM on January 18, 2008


WARNING: If you stare long enough into the Abyss, the Abyss stares also into you.
posted by languagehat at 5:53 AM on January 18, 2008 [4 favorites]


An eight year old with breast implants. Frightening on so many levels.
posted by Lucy2Times at 6:21 AM on January 18, 2008


My favorite part is how every now and then she opens her eyes a bit more or moves her head forward a bit to stare at you with renewed intensity.
posted by danb at 6:23 AM on January 18, 2008


I can tell you why it's popular. It reminds guys of being 15, sitting at a table somewhere and staring into the eyes of the girl of their dreams. Or at least they wished that was what happened; more likely they were staring into the eyes of the Super Nintendo.
posted by fungible at 6:31 AM on January 18, 2008


In joshuajcohen's "chest" link, she's reading from a book that says JAPANESE GRAMMAR on the cover. I mean, it's got those words in English. I guess that won't tell us anything about her ethnicity, but it makes a pretty strong argument for her not having grown up in Japan.
posted by nebulawindphone at 6:32 AM on January 18, 2008


Drunk Amish?

Yeah, I'm puzzled too. I grew up in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, which is near the two major counties of Amish country: Lancaster and Lebanon County, Pennsylvania. If the post "exposing" her is for real (and I have my doubts), the poster might be referring to some parents that "sowed their wild oats" before getting the adult initiation into the church, but never returned to the Amish fold. On the other hand, her parents might have belonged to some other German pietist sect, such as the Mennonites or some other group that wears the prayer bonnets that people occasionally confuse for the Amish. The Amish are also known for their...er...um...lack of genetic diversity...founder effect...er...um...if you know what I mean. (For example, Verne "Mini-Me" Troyer is the offspring of Amish parents.) In fact, is this a trend? The idiosyncrasies of the character Dwight Schrute on NBC's version of the Office seem to be attributed partially to a backstory that suggests he had an Amish or quasi-Amish upbringing.
posted by jonp72 at 6:40 AM on January 18, 2008


My 7 month old son dug it. He smiled, cooed a couple of times, and then he spit up. And now he's cranky. Thanks for nothing, staring girl.
posted by JT at 6:53 AM on January 18, 2008 [3 favorites]


Meh, Some Grey Bloke's Staring contest is better. (I apologize if that link has been posted here.)
posted by soundofsuburbia at 7:02 AM on January 18, 2008


Oh look, everybody! A pretty girl of non-specific ethnicity is doing something! Let's all look at the pretty girl be pretty!

That video proves that women are going to take over the world. At the time I'm writing this, all but one of the 14 video responses are from men twice her age imitating her and generally acting like shitheads. "Wow, she has anime eyes. Maybe she'll like my video." She doesn't and neither do I.

Do the earth a favor and die. Lichens and beetles will make better use of your biomass than your are.
posted by Pastabagel at 7:21 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


And you don't get to decide how many people read your petulant comment scraps and decide you're a childish dolt, somewhere above kindergarten, somewhere below housetrained.

A thousand apologies! I didn't realize we were talking about Big Important Topic! I thought we were talking about Ridiculous YouTube Narcissism.

In the future, I will try to be more respectful of Big Important Topic! USA #1 OK!

Seriously, peacay, I consider you to be a little more "with it", and able to identify sarcasm and farce when you see it.

But, whenever topics of sex or race come up, 95% of the MeFi population looses all rationality, reason, and restraint.

I love how many posters here immediately give the benefit of the doubt to the SUBJECT of the posts, rather than other members of the community.

Honestly, 90% of the "conflict" seen on MeFi could be chalked up to nothing but a compulsion to give most participants the least-generous reading possible in a thread.

If I have to explain, then yes, I meant my topless comment to be funny, since, oh, I don't know, 99.7% of the webcam videos on the net that start with a girl staring plaintively at the camera end up with her disrobing or singing Part of Your World, or sometimes both.

Or maybe that's just on my internet.

And, yes, she is the textbook definition of an attention whore. That is a common phrase used both on MeFi and the rest of the internet. You can't possibly be that sheltered.

The Amish are also known for their...er...um...lack of genetic diversity...founder effect...er...um...if you know what I mean

Can we really not say "inbred" anymore?
posted by Ynoxas at 7:25 AM on January 18, 2008


I don't get it.
posted by agregoli at 7:30 AM on January 18, 2008


And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

And Youtube is about the biggest abyss I can think of.
posted by slimepuppy at 7:36 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Eh, Conan did it better.
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 8:03 AM on January 18, 2008


The internet culture of people younger than say about 21 has finally become incomprehensible to me, hurray! I mean, I understand their preening narcissism, that's natural, but the rest of it is as much gibberish as the preliterate way they communicate. Eventually they will kill the written word entirely and will just sit out there on youtube staring at each other like so many kawaii obsessed hydrocephalic barn owls.

The future is here and as I expected I am bored, a little scared and entirely pissed off, which is what I deserve.






The point with the boob talk is not that you might or might not be joking, but that it clearly underlines that taking off their tops is what many men expect of women and not much more. It's depressing, although I did read Ynoxas' comment as fairly innocent.
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:24 AM on January 18, 2008 [3 favorites]


Exactly my take on the boob talk too, Divine_Wino, including the fairly innocent part. It's still tiring.
posted by agregoli at 8:27 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


The future is here and as I expected I am bored, a little scared and entirely pissed off, which is what I deserve.

Look on the bright side: give it five years and a barrel of scotch and you'll be Andy Rooney.
posted by cortex at 8:28 AM on January 18, 2008


Wait, sorry, that's the shrieking, horrific side. Okay, new bright side: we might die before the robots come.
posted by cortex at 8:28 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


So... comments were deleted? Because I can't follow the infight here.
posted by Wood at 8:30 AM on January 18, 2008


Ynoxas, you miss the point. It doesn't matter whether it's sarcasm, humour or performance art. It is irrelevant whether or not I 'get it' (as if there were unplumbed theses in those words of yours). It's contributing to an atmosphere of portraying women as mere sex objects. How you defend it after the fact is beside the point - your intended meaning doesn't matter at all. Surely to goD you can find some other way of being all crazy humorous and post modern snarky without offending all females. Or don't you actually get it?
posted by peacay at 8:32 AM on January 18, 2008 [2 favorites]



Look on the bright side: give it five years and a barrel of scotch and you'll be Andy Rooney.


Oh lord, if only my Roonification were five years away, it's descending over me like an ethereal golf sweater at this very moment, the horrible clanking and booping of the robots would be a sweet relief.
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:38 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Gee, I wonder how anyone could ever get the idea that metafilter comments are sexist.

You guys fucking suck.
posted by chuckdarwin at 8:41 AM on January 18, 2008


I am pleasantly surprised at how weird everything has gotten, here in the future.
posted by everichon at 8:50 AM on January 18, 2008 [3 favorites]


Gee, I wonder how anyone could ever get the idea that metafilter comments are sexist.

It's not like the barrier to entry is high here, and it doesn't take a lot of people to make a few bad comments. It'd be pretty easy to set up sockpuppets and do it all yourself in fact.
posted by smackfu at 8:52 AM on January 18, 2008


Appears to holding something in her mouth.

A messa bad teefs.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 8:57 AM on January 18, 2008




Yeah, she's cute. But she's cute in that way that makes me want to stick her in a hutch and feed her Timothy hay.

And as I write that, I realize that it sounds far more sinister that it was intended to.
posted by quin at 9:00 AM on January 18, 2008 [2 favorites]


Okay, new bright side: we might die before the robots come.

Are robot orgasms, or robogasms, really that difficult to endure?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:13 AM on January 18, 2008


YOUTUBE VIDEO
Neil Ciceriega
posted by zennie at 9:41 AM on January 18, 2008


peacay: No, apparently I don't get it. Because I don't understand how me making a snide comment about 1 particular YouTube poster is, as you said, offensive to ALL females.

Yes, you're right, I do not get that.

Also, saying someone's intended meaning, quote, "doesn't matter at all", puts you and I squarely at odds at how we view the world.

To me, intention is everything. It is the foundation of my entire belief system.

She has put almost 40 (forty) videos of herself out on YouTube for public consumption, and has been seen by probably half a million distinct sets of eyeballs.

Can you not see how me ridiculing her is different from me purposefully insulting 51% of the planet?

Or, since I think, and state, that George Bush is an idiot, am I maligning the other 49% of the planet?

I guess I hate everyone. I didn't intend to hate everyone, but as you have said, that apprently doesn't matter.

Also, I didn't notice until just now my comment had been deleted. I haven't checked my email yet to see if the mods said anything, but that comment was not only clearly joking and purposefully wry, but very tame by any standard, especially one that lets people call each-other "fucktards" on a daily basis.

Hyper-sensitivity is not the solution. This is absurd.
posted by Ynoxas at 10:07 AM on January 18, 2008


So, is saying that she is cute sexist? Is that the problem?
posted by graventy at 10:17 AM on January 18, 2008


Not from where I'm sitting.
posted by agregoli at 10:24 AM on January 18, 2008


It is kinda odd that it's not "Say something already!" but "Get naked already!" because there's precedent to expect both from YouTube "celebrities."
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 10:50 AM on January 18, 2008


Some of the other videos linked here have her talking.
posted by smackfu at 10:56 AM on January 18, 2008


Is there gonna be an acrimonious MeTa about the sexism in this thread? Because I'm looking to get some hot flameout action.
posted by everichon at 11:34 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Can't believe that no-one's posted Tim Burton's Stainboy vs Staregirl...
posted by bruzie at 11:47 AM on January 18, 2008


Only if there is mud and/or jello involved.
posted by ZachsMind at 11:51 AM on January 18, 2008


The Amish are also known for their...er...um...lack of genetic diversity...founder effect...er...um...if you know what I mean

Can we really not say "inbred" anymore?


Actually, the word "inbred" completely slipped my mind. I was really trying to avoid saying cousin-lovin', but now that's shot.
posted by jonp72 at 11:54 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite]


Oh. And I'd like to say I never have heard of Keane before today, but would like to thank AgathaMagatha for bringing her to my attention.

"...You see, for many years she was married to a man who claimed credit for what she painted. To prove she was in fact the artist and not her former husband, she painted in court before a Federal Judge and jury, an original oil on canvas painting. When her ex-husband was asked to paint by the judge, his reply was: 'I can't today, because I have a sore shoulder'."

That's what SHE said.

No wait. That's NOT what she said.

"Needless to say Margaret won the case..."

Well I should very much hope so! Was the ex-husband tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail too? If'n I were god...
posted by ZachsMind at 11:58 AM on January 18, 2008


RussHy, perving at the baby hyenas, you naughty taughty. In any case, she's not a baby but pretending to be a bunny without a waffle, pancake or marbles for that matter.

Ynoxas, hi. I'm really bad at arguing and get bent out of shape if insults are flung. May I have a, hopefully, mutually respectful conversation with you?

I think it's okay to say anybody is a fucktard with whatever merit you deem worthy of that title - as a *person*- as long as they are not being called that on the basis of their color, religion, body type, age or gender. So Bush or Tiny Wannabe here are fair game, imo, for your dislike or ridicule on the basis as people, not not on the basis of their reproductive or glandular organs.

ZachsMind, I did a post about the "big-eyed" painters you might like.
posted by nickyskye at 12:54 PM on January 18, 2008


I thought she'd be better at it.
posted by evil holiday magic at 1:15 PM on January 18, 2008


I don't know, maintaining eye contact for long periods of time is a fairly intimate experience in my culture, usually the sort of thing you'd only do with a relation or significant other--certainly never with a total stranger. That made the first video interesting for me.
posted by Squid Voltaire at 2:35 PM on January 18, 2008


It's contributing to an atmosphere of portraying women as mere sex objects.

Actually this is why I think the boob talk is warranted. Staring Girl seems to be mimicking the highly-sexualized art of anime, and in that sense her boobs become part of that performance: she's portraying herself as a "mere sex object". So just as it would be natural to talk about a porno star's penis, it makes sense that we might discuss Staring Girl's boobs.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 3:14 PM on January 18, 2008


Staring Girl seems to be mimicking the highly-sexualized art of anime

Yep, and in the most annoying way ever. Especially if she is 21.

I was called a perv (just because I was watching the video) by some co-workers saying she is obviously not 21. I then pointed out another co-worker of ours who is also 21, but looks even younger than she does.

I asked some of my Japanese co-workers what she was saying and it was mostly bland jokey type stuff.
posted by P.o.B. at 3:44 PM on January 18, 2008




Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese, with that logic, anybody who remotely resembles at any time something that could be associated with something negative is available to be slurred in a bigoted way. When is a black man not black? Does that mean it's ok to say something racist? Does resembling something make that person eligible to be slurred? I don't think so.

If a female is erotic in her demeanor or is arousing to look at, that doesn't necessarily align her or make her on par with porn workers or eligible for raw sexual comments. And even porn workers of either gender are human beings, not merely reproductive organs.

MRirian is not doing porno by any stretch of the imagination. If anything her performance is of the Bishōjo category of anime female characters, a beautiful young girl. It may be deliberately or unintentionally erotic or arousing but not porn. Geishas, for example, are deliberately erotic and don't warrant sexist comments that would socially be allocated to porn workers in certain circumstances.

Pokeman and Dragon Ball Z for example are also anime. Cuteness in Japanese culture.

In Japan, the term does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it is used as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world.

The following is a list of the major genres and designations that are specific to anime and manga


* Action/Adventure primarily focuses on battles, war, and physical competition. Martial arts, weapon fighting, or other action oriented material are usually featured. Examples: Naruto or One Piece.
* Drama primarily has a high degree of character development and emotional themes. Many center around relationship complications. Examples: Fushigi Yūgi or InuYasha.
* Game Based primarily revolves around some sort of card or board game. Examples: Yu-Gi-Oh! or Hikaru No Go.
* Horror use darker and/or supernatural themes. Examples: Vampire Hunter D series or Chrono Crusade.
* Science fiction consists of futuristic elements, particularly featuring future science and technology. They can be drawn from current scientific studies and inventions or created to meet the needs of the world. Examples: Ghost in the Shell or Wings of Honneamise
* Progressive or "Art films" are extremely stylized. Examples: Sayonara Zetsubō Sensei or Byōsoku 5 Centimetre.

posted by nickyskye at 4:10 PM on January 18, 2008


Clicked your link nickckye:

Bishōjo are seen in almost all genres of anime and manga, ranging from shōjo to mecha, but especially dating sims and so-called harem anime. It is sometimes considered the most mild form of fanservice, particularly if older women would be more appropriate characters. A "bishōjo series" is a series directed towards a male audience

I don't think that helps your statements.

Regardless, she is either a young girl stating she is older than she is, or she is a 21 year old acting a lot younger than she is. This doesn't seem a bit odd to you?
posted by P.o.B. at 4:32 PM on January 18, 2008


Would it be glib to say what she's doing just sorta sucks and leave it at that?
posted by evil holiday magic at 4:34 PM on January 18, 2008


Does resembling something make that person eligible to be slurred?

Well, if you see the girl in the video as just a girl in a video, then this argument works. But I think what MRirian is doing here is performing -- she doesn't just resemble one of those stylized sexual anime characters, she's deliberately enacting a performance that suggests one. It's not porno, of course, but there's a sexual element to the performance, and her boobs are a part of that. So in that sense talking about her boobs isn't necessarily sexist, it can be seen as simply a part of evaluating her act, just as we would discuss the form of a painter's subject or the figure of a dancer or John Holme's penis.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 5:15 PM on January 18, 2008


This doesn't seem a bit odd to you?

and

a part of evaluating her act

Odd or evaluating do not mean discussing reproductive organs. That is sexist, especially when it is talked about in a glib and denigrating way. And she is not performing a sex act.

The human body of either gender is part of *any* act or performance. It may be deliberately or inadvertently sexy. Doesn't mean it's up for sexual denigration or sexual compartmentalization.

I do think this performer is acting erotically. It's veiled, camouflaged. But I think talking about her like a stripper or sex worker is sexist.

There is a way to talk about the sexual content of a performance or even of a person that can be respectful, without it being sexist. I'm not talking about being puritanical or silencing sexuality. There is a way to talk about a person's attractiveness without it being predatorial or demeaning, like drooling over a piece of meat. Does that make sense? Do you know what I mean?

As a woman I enjoy being appreciated physically by men and women, as I enjoy appreciating others physically. We all appraise each other visually in one way or another. But there are ways of doing that which invite communication, or are respectful of sexual boundaries and other ways in which the words feel like a social violation; opinions, like rocks that have been hurled, not fun to receive but insulting.

Watching young boys playing together I'm aware from a young age that males lob insults at each other all the time, often affectionately and what seems to be part of male bonding. "Don't be a retard, let's go biking.", "Hey, you douche", get over here." And that's friendly, lol. Women don't speak to each other like that generally, in my experience. Maybe men get to thinking their words don't hurt them, so why should they hurt women?

I don't know. What do you think?
posted by nickyskye at 6:37 PM on January 18, 2008 [5 favorites]


And she is not performing a sex act.

I'm sorry, after so many posts I tend to skim and read here and there...but where are you getting this from? Unless you mean acting sexually.

I do think she is putting on an act. Plain and simple. She is trying to elicit some type of sexual response. Pesonally, it does absolutely nothing for me.

As far as insulting remarks are concerned. I've met just as many women, that are as quick to insult without much thought, as men.
posted by P.o.B. at 8:00 PM on January 18, 2008


I wanted to post this video blog by Marta Costello where she extemporized at length why Clinton talking about LBJ and MLK wasn't newsworthy, but I've scanned the last several days of FPPs and there's been no post about this topic in The Blue, and I didn't want to be the one to do that, cuz Marta's right. It isn't newsworthy. The actual news media tried to make it appear newsworthy, but it's not.

So I tried to figure out where I could post this video blog, cuz I honestly and sincerely think it's good, and I hope other MeFites would find it interesting, but it doesn't perhaps warrant a FPP by itself. So I needed to leave it as a reply to some other post, but which one within the past few days would be most ...worthy?

Well. Marta stares at the camera. Staring Girl stares at the camera. So. Here ya go.
posted by ZachsMind at 8:21 PM on January 18, 2008


Ynoxas, hi. I'm really bad at arguing and get bent out of shape if insults are flung. May I have a, hopefully, mutually respectful conversation with you?

Hi Nicky. I have a really hard time discussing this because I feel some people are being purposefully intellectually dishonest.

I made a very mild, slightly off color, mostly off-hand remark. I thought it was funny, and it is certainly something I would say in mixed company, with friends, in public. I am not ashamed, even a tiny bit, at my thoroughly PG remark.

The thing is, I simply cannot seem to make the cognitive connection, even with effort, that so many here have effortlessly.

I simply cannot cognitively understand how me making a snide comment about an obvious publicity seeking YouTube enthusiast somehow, IMMEDIATELY and without any form of mitigation or explanation, becomes a withering debasement of an entire gender.

I don't get it, and it's quite likely I won't.
posted by Ynoxas at 8:35 PM on January 18, 2008


Best of web!
posted by humannaire at 10:14 PM on January 18, 2008


Hey ZachsMind... that should be a fpp. Haha what I posted should not. I think we got this backwards. That is all.
posted by pwally at 12:21 AM on January 19, 2008


Remember, she's staring at us. I think we should all feel violated (puts on a robe).
posted by dasheekeejones at 5:39 AM on January 19, 2008


I made a very mild, slightly off color, mostly off-hand remark. I thought it was funny, and it is certainly something I would say in mixed company, with friends, in public. I am not ashamed, even a tiny bit, at my thoroughly PG remark.

I don't want to speak for nickyskye, and others have said similar things more eloquently on this site. But without trying to start a fight, I just feel compelled to point out that the vast majority of sexist crap that women encounter every day are mild, off-color, off-hand remarks. And every time that happens, we have to make the choice between just keeping our mouths shut or conveying our discomfort and subsequently being subjected to that same man, using 20 times as many words than he used on the original sexist remark, trying to shout us down, saying he wasn't being sexist. This happens dozens of times on a normal day (not the argument but the choice). Most of the time we have to choose not saying anything because we don't have time to have this same uncomfortable argument that many times each day. It feels like crap to say something; it feels like crap not to say anything. As a whole phenomenon, it's one of those things that really makes us question our places as women in the world. And sure, you're not responsible for every crappy thing every man says, but it's also kind of like when you and everyone else on your floor at work leaves just one dirty dish in the sink in the pantry and suddenly there's dozens of dirty dishes.

I admit, I flagged your original comment the first time I visited this thread. Here's why: I was reading through, and people were making fun of her, and it was kind of funny. I wasn't busting a gut or anything, but I was amused. Then I read your comment and it changed the tone. It made me feel crappy. (If your intent matters, when I would have no way of knowing what it was, then my feeling crappy counts too, even though you'd have no way of knowing that). It's not that you're not allowed to ridicule her--lots of people above you managed to ridicule her without taking it there. And despite how erotic her entire body of youtube work is, the single link in the post was, if anything, about 50 times as subtle in its sexuality than your comment. So to say it was OK because she's putting herself out there in that way seems intellectually dishonest to me. Yeah, she can't not expect to get some really rude comments when she does stuff like that--but you can choose not be one of those rude people.

I don't get it, and it's quite likely I won't.

And that's the worst part about all of the sexism discussions a person has in her lifetime. It just always feels like we'll never really be able to understand each other.
posted by lampoil at 7:10 AM on January 19, 2008 [9 favorites]


Yeah, she can't not expect to get some really rude comments when she does stuff like that--but you can choose not be one of those rude people.

Or, you could choose not to care about something that was obviously:

1. In jest
2. Not about you
3. Not about womankind as a whole
4. Very specifically about one person, in one specific situation, in one specific medium

You know, due to my industry, most offices I have ever worked in have been almost exclusively female.

I have heard countless thousands of "men are pigs" and "why don't' husbands listen" and "men don't care about X" or "men always do X".

How many times have I taken offense at that?

ZERO.

And no matter HOW many times I hear it, I will NEVER take offense at it, because they are not talking about me.

It gets very old being on guard over everything. We can call republicans stupid all day. We can suggest religious people are mentally deficient.

But the mere suggestion, even in jest, that there might, possibly, conceivably, be a female out there on the internet, somewhere, that might disrobe, is somehow debasing to an entire gender.

I refuse to believe that. If that makes me a sexist pig, then so be it. That is the default position for men anyway. Yet I'm not supposed to be offended at that.

I'm tired of defending myself from something that needed no defense. If someone was GENUINELY offended, as opposed to being worried that someone else, somewhere, MIGHT be offended, then I'm sorry, but I might also suggest taking context and intent into your world view to prevent a constant state of disappointment in the other half of the population.
posted by Ynoxas at 8:36 AM on January 19, 2008 [1 favorite]


And I'm getting tired of some women claiming sexism every time a man mentions that a woman has a body. That's not sexism. At worst, it's objectification, and may be paired with sexism, but it's not in itself sexism.

Sexism is the belief that men and women are different in essential ways and that these differences make one sex or the other inherently superior (and at tasks not generally associated with reproduction or our bodies), or treating the two genders differently because of their sex. It would be sexist to say that a woman, because she is a woman, cannot understand high level mathematics. Or that to say that a woman, because she is a woman, should be judged solely by her physical attractiveness. For instance, if someone judges all people, male or female, solely by their physical attractiveness, this person is not sexist. They are just a boor.

Most of the you-tube comments on these videos are in fact very crude and boorish. They may, in fact, be symptom of sexism if the people who have left these comments would only ever leave such comments to a female video maker.

As for the original comment - which was that people were watching her for her cleavage: Her videos do have a certain amount of compellingness, and I actually found she could be quite a good facial mime (the "beep" moment was excellent), though regretted that she only did so very occasionally. But clearly, from reading the YouTube comments there are many people who are more interested in her appearance than her behaviour. Observing this is, again, not sexist - it's an observation of others' probably sexist attitudes.

We need to defend the concept of "sexism" to keep it specific, because otherwise we will have people ignoring actual, serious sexism (e.g. not hiring someone because of their sex) because sexism and objectification and just plain ol' rudeness have all gotten muddled together and no one takes sexism seriously any more.

on preview: I think comments have been deleted - I can only comment from the comments I have seen.

But seriously - sexism is something I hate so much that I want the world to take it seriously. And that means we don't go looking for shadow sexism and distract attention from big issues. Like pay gaps, and resume bias, and lack of paternity time for fathers.

And if you really believe men don't understand objectification and why it's annoying - just send them to read an Orlando Bloom fansite.
posted by jb at 8:37 AM on January 19, 2008 [3 favorites]


oddly enough I just yesterday read an article about the narcissistic culture of youth, believe it was on NYT. Summary: The youth of today are no more or less narcissistic or fucked-up than the youth of yesteryear. They're just more visible owing to the media + the web. Take that as you will.

and jb, if I could favourite your comment a million times over, I would. I am a woman who finds the knee-jerk "sexism" response extremely threatening to the credibility of my personal feminist worldview.

sexism is something I hate so much that I want the world to take it seriously. And that means we don't go looking for shadow sexism and distract attention from big issues. Like pay gaps, and resume bias, and lack of paternity time for fathers.

EXACTLY.
posted by lonefrontranger at 11:51 AM on January 19, 2008


I learned a new word on the Encyclopedia Dramatica page:

pedobait
posted by jayder at 12:46 PM on January 19, 2008


Not about womankind as a whole

I really do understand how that seems weird. But I will say this... since there are so many ways to criticize a person, as a woman I do take note when someone has chosen to criticize someone using a sexist tone and I make a point to look at what the first person did to deserve it. I do the same thing if a woman calls a man something that I think shows unnecessary bitterness towards his gender... I'll wonder about that woman and if she comments on all men that way or if it was actually a valid complaint. Because sometimes it's just not even necessary (or on topic) to go there and it says more about the complainer than the subject of the complaint.

So when I hear people make sexist comments, it actually DOES affect me... because especially if the gender comment wasn't really necessary I imagine myself in the subject's shoes. Then I wonder if the person speaking would probably call me the same nasty thing at the drop of a hat, and if I wasn't in the room. Since sexist comments are generally either a habit with someone or they aren't, I feel like maybe I'm hearing what that person may think is okay to flippantly say behind MY back if they turned on me. And that feeling sucks.

So I can't pretend it's okay to say it about other women either if I don't want it said about me. Sexist comments are not always said to our faces, and when you hear them said about other women, there's a desire to empathetically stand up against it in hopes that maybe someone would do that for you in your absence as well. I would hope if someone was making sexist comments about me that people wouldn't be too scared to stand up, and that's what makes me less scared to comment when I see it happening to others. I guess it's a bit of a pay it forward thing.
posted by miss lynnster at 3:42 PM on January 19, 2008 [3 favorites]


PWally: "Hey ZachsMind... that should be a fpp. Haha what I posted should not. I think we got this backwards. That is all."

Well PWally, I took 'that' and turned it into a FPP essentially to disprove your theory, and the general concensus appears to be that my first assessment was more astute. It wasn't good enough for a front page post. Whereas your FPP is still going strong.

What makes for a good FPP? I been here almost eight years. I haven't a clue.

When The Second Coming happens, and someone posts about it in MetaFilter, there'll be people saying it makes for a suck FPP. There's just no pleasing some people. =)
posted by ZachsMind at 5:19 PM on January 19, 2008


She had an idea that somehow convinced more than half a million people to watch her perform.

That seems like a significant accomplishment.
posted by fourcheesemac at 5:30 PM on January 19, 2008


Heck, it's now three quarters of a million.
posted by fourcheesemac at 5:32 PM on January 19, 2008


Or, you could choose not to care about something

No, I can't. There's a difference between choosing to feel and choosing to act.

I will NEVER take offense at it, because they are not talking about me.

Yes, they are. But I wish I could just not care or not notice. I'm envious, really. The comment made me uncomfortable, that's all I can say. It's not like I saw it and thought "oh, his comment alludes to her sexuality and that's not OK because she's female and I'm female and blah blah." It was a gut reaction--more like an "ew." So I guess I'll just share that with you and leave it at that.

And for others to blame women who call men out on assy comments for people not taking feminism seriously is just...perfect.
posted by lampoil at 8:14 PM on January 19, 2008


Ynoxas, hello again. Been thinking about your statements in this thread since last night. Wondered where you were coming from and so I read a bunch of your comments, learned quite a bit about you, your life and came away thinking what a really nice person you are and that I look forward to reading more of your comments.

In fact, getting to know you better from your other MeFi comments I was even more confused by your comments in this thread. They seem so unlike you. Here you went from wanting to see her breasts, then after peacay's comment to She's an attention whore.. That seems pretty angry when the videos of this young woman really are extremely tame. I don't think she's any more a "whore" than the countless other human beings of either gender on YouTube doing goofy videos of all kinds.

Today I came across an elderly Indian doctor who has uploaded 139 videos of himself singing out of tune Hindi songs. Who knows why he would think these performances should be online but the last thing I would think was attention whore. Hardly anybody is looking at his videos. Yes, she's doing some sort of infantilized anime cute female performance but I don't think the message or the visual is grossly sexual to warrant grossly sexual comments. It's about as sexual as Minnie Mouse. Way less than Betty Boop. And I don't suppose she had any idea she might get that kind of attention staring at the camera, reading Japanese with a baby gaga voice. If you were to ask me if somebody did that and would get half a million people watching, I'd say that was incredibly unlikely but there it is, somehow it got attention and it wasn't because she was doing a porno act.

When you talked about thinking some people being "intellectually dishonest" I don't know what you mean and hope you elucidate.

When peacay said It's contributing to an atmosphere of portraying women as mere sex objects, it makes sense that your going immediately to a topless comment is a kind of a door slam on the female MeFites. It's gone to that place of men talking raunchily about females as mostly reproductive organs. It's unfriendly, imo, to the female MeFites, who are having fun and learning on the blue with you.

The other day I was walking through the Metropolitan Museum and there were tons of images of partly dressed females but guys weren't yelling out, "look at the tits and ass!" just because there were undressed breasts or bottoms. I think males are capable of observing nude female anatomy and also having a conversation, more than mere crotch grabbing comments.

I've never liked men being called sexist pigs and I don't think you're a sexist pig. I don't agree with you that is the default position for men anyway and do think at core men and women may misunderstand each other and because of that have room for improvement in learning to trust and communicate each other better.
posted by nickyskye at 12:51 AM on January 20, 2008 [1 favorite]


She's an attention whore. She doesn't get to choose what kind of attention she gets.
posted to MetaFilter by Ynoxas at 1:11 AM on January 18, 2008 [1 favorite +]


Sounds a little akin to the "she dressed like a slut and deserved to get raped" argument.


And I'm getting tired of some women claiming sexism every time a man mentions that a woman has a body. That's not sexism...But seriously - sexism is something I hate so much that I want the world to take it seriously. And that means we don't go looking for shadow sexism and distract attention from big issues. Like pay gaps, and resume bias, and lack of paternity time for fathers.


it's not about a man mentioning a woman "has a body." it's about sexual harassment -- making a woman feel like she's nothing but a body. it happens all the time in the workplace, and it can have just as deleterious an effect on women's jobs as being denied a promotion on the basis of gender. And anyway, I don't think you can really distinguish sexual harassment from gender-based pay gaps, etc, because a boss who will comment on your tits will also be a boss who promotes the man ahead of the woman.
posted by footnote at 12:13 PM on January 20, 2008 [2 favorites]


making a woman feel like she's nothing but a body.

That's all any of us is, though, until we start imprinting our consciousness onto computers.
posted by ludwig_van at 1:47 PM on January 20, 2008


ludwig_van you are 100% correct ... if you completely reverse the premises.
posted by peacay at 6:53 PM on January 20, 2008


Once we start imprinting our consciousness on computers, then we'll be nothing but bodies? I don't follow. Not that it's relevant to the thread or anything.
posted by ludwig_van at 9:26 PM on January 20, 2008


---making a woman feel like she's nothing but a body.---
-That's all any of us is, though, until we start imprinting our consciousness onto computers.-


Not that it matters, as you say, but I read that as saying that we are nothing here but our bodies, and I say it's the reverse: what we type here is our conscious selves and we are bodyless (and thus genderless) until we imprint our bodies (or reveal it textually or visually) onto the computer.
Maybe you set up your target on one tree and I'm shooting at another though.
posted by peacay at 9:41 PM on January 20, 2008


Yeah, I was getting at something quite different -- that unless you're a dualist it's true that we're nothing but bodies. But I don't see that as a bad thing. I like bodies.
posted by ludwig_van at 10:34 PM on January 20, 2008


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