Comments on: A Wild and Introspective Guy

A Wild and Introspective Guy

bove — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:14:36 -0800

Steve Martin on the development of his comedy.

The article also includes a link to a video clip of his performance on the Tonight Show that he references at the end of the article. He has also just written a book about his life that covers some of this same ground.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:19:05 -0800

The article is lifted straight from the book, which I'm reading right now. It's really wonderful -- he's got this gift for writing in such a quietly pretty way. His descriptions of working in Disneyland as a kid are great.

By: growabrain

growabrain — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:21:59 -0800

Steve Martin's All-Natural Penis Beauty Cream

By: ardgedee

ardgedee — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:34:48 -0800

It is, in fact, the funniest essay ever written in the English language, but you don't get it yet.

By: pyrex

pyrex — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:37:36 -0800

Very interesting! Always fascinating to read insight straight from the true greats.

By: piratebowling

piratebowling — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:38:16 -0800

This is a fantastic article, and how thanks to Greg Nog's explanation, I think I may have to go out and get my hands on the book.

By: biffa

biffa — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:41:45 -0800

I see from IMDB he's taking another piss on Peter Sellars' grave next year. Will the next book deal with stopping being funny?

By: Miko

Miko — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:41:52 -0800

I think it was Knott's Berry Farm, wasn't it, Greg Nog? I base that on the New Yorker piece which I think was also a book excerpt. He's a brilliant person as well as a great comedian. And he's a good bluegrass player. Here he is in the late 70s playing Foggy Mountain Breakdown, and here more recently playing it again, with Earl Scruggs.

By: Optamystic

Optamystic — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:42:21 -0800

Is there anything Steve Martin cannot do?

By: Old Man Wilson

Old Man Wilson — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:42:45 -0800

He also spoke about the book on Charlie Rose back in September. As someone who grew up wearing a hole in my Steve Martin LPs, the book and this interview were a real treat.

By: Optamystic

Optamystic — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:43:45 -0800

D'oh!

By: ObscureReferenceMan

ObscureReferenceMan — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:47:50 -0800

Greg Nog - I was going to ask that! I read a review of his book somewhere, then I saw him on Charlie Rose. And it sounds like the book is great. I'm now inspired to pick it up.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:54:17 -0800

He worked at Disneyland first, then Knott's. It's all in the book (I finished it last week -- pretty good overall and a great description of how he came to become a legend in comedy but also kind of weird in that he mentions every girlfriend he had and the account is hyperdetailed from roughly 1968 until 1981 but the times before and after are a blur barely worthy of mention).

By: Sys Rq

Sys Rq — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:55:05 -0800

I read the book over Christmas, which is to say I read the whole thing on Boxing Day. It's a pretty thin book, despite the thick cover, all the pictures, and double-spaced 14-point typeface. There's nothing particularly interesting in it, and the overall impression I got was that Martin only wrote it so people would quit asking him about his stand-up years.

By: christopherious

christopherious — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:55:37 -0800

I see from IMDB he's taking another piss on Peter Sellars' grave next year. Will the next book deal with stopping being funny? Seriously. What has he said in his defense for raiding Seller's legacy, completely failing in the most predictable ways, and then planning to go back for more? This is not the Steve Martin I knew. But I think he is still a good writer.

By: christopherious

christopherious — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:59:36 -0800

Seller's -> Sellers'

By: gompa

gompa — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:00:24 -0800

I can't remember how old I was when I first saw The Jerk, but I bet I was 10 or 11 at most. It was a revelation in a way I couldn't put my finger on. Now I can - probably one of the first things I ever saw that, as he describes it, didn't tell me where the jokes were. And this line about his first live TV appearance? What happened while I was out there was very similar to an alien abduction: I remember very little of it, though I'm convinced it occurred. This is exactly what appearing on live TV feels like when you're not accustomed to it.

By: stupidsexyFlanders

stupidsexyFlanders — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:00:36 -0800

going back to some of the video from his 70s standup, it's interesting just how thoroughly his sensibility, weirdness, even his timing has been integrated into the culture. Flashing from a deadpan to that idiotic chuckle, the mock Vegas singing ("We're having some fun noww, yeahh..."). You look at it today and it feels so familiar, in a way that it didn't even after the 500th listen to "Let's Get Small" did back then. I was disappointed by the book. He is a graceful writer (he dispenses with nemesis John Frankenheimer very deftly) and often funny, but the book had a bittersweet tinge to it -- partly because of his account of the dysfunctional relationship he had with his father, but mostly, I think, because he seems to not like that period of his life very much. I guess because I enjoyed his work so much in those years, it's a bit sad that he turned his back on it so definitively, and today rents himself out on throwaway movies.

By: ODiV

ODiV — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:06:36 -0800

After seeing Trail of the Pink Panther I find I can stand pretty much any affront to Sellers' legacy. The original films are classics and will remain so. Plus, anything with Jean Reno in it can't be that bad.

By: kylefreund

kylefreund — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:07:17 -0800

I saw bowfinger the other day. Oof... that being said, the book is great and I never realized he worked with Super Dave Osborne! Boy, looking at his site, why do these great comic folks have such underwhelming Web sites? Smothers Brothers, Don Rickles...others?

By: Kattullus

Kattullus — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:11:41 -0800

I was struck by two things: 1) How similar Steve Martin's theory of comedy was to to the Monty Python's team (and Spike Milligan's, for that matter). I guess it must have been steam engine time for punchline-free jokes. 2) What the hell is up with Johnny Carson's suit? Was that normal for back then? Or was it intentionally humorous?

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:23:56 -0800

it's interesting just how thoroughly his sensibility, weirdness, even his timing has been integrated into the culture. I remember my parents getting in a fight when I was a kid, and my dad responding to some accusation of my mom's with, "Welllllllllll EXCUUUSSSSSSSEEEE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" I thought he was just being a jerk. Which I guess he was. But years later I realized he was also imitating Steve Martin. (It can't have been much more than a year later that they got divorced.)

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:27:12 -0800

And to bring it full circle, my dad got me this book for Christmas this year! I haven't read much of it yet. What I did read struck me as the standard celeb-memoir in a lot of ways, written in that flat "This happened. Then this happened." journalism 101 style. Which is surprising, given what a talented prose writer he is. Like someone said, I guess maybe it was more about getting stuff off his chest. I think a novel by Steve Martin, with a lead character based on Steve Martin in the 70s, would have been great. Imagine the absurd possibilities!

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:28:05 -0800

even his timing You mean his "timeING?"

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:38:57 -0800

I am in the process of watching his first appearance on The Tonight Show. I haven't read the article yet or anything. I will, but I'm still kinda busy being freaked out that Johnny Carson wore that jacket on television in all seriousness. This is going to take me time to get over. I'm watching Steve Martin's act but my eyes are still pulsating from the plaid. So I'll let you know what I think about the article and stuff later when I've stopped shaking my head and rubbing my eyes. Just give me time. Thanks.

By: piratebowling

piratebowling — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:49:02 -0800

lynn, it wasn't hist first appearance, it was his 16th. Johnny even says at the beginning that he'd been on the show a number of times.

By: Turtles all the way down

Turtles all the way down — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:53:38 -0800

Wonderful. One loves genius. And Katullus: 2) What the hell is up with Johnny Carson's suit? Was that normal for back then? Or was it intentionally humorous? Sadly, no. That was considered "cool" (or "sweet" as you kids would say now.)

By: John Kenneth Fisher

John Kenneth Fisher — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:19:47 -0800

Sadly, no. That was considered "cool" (or "sweet" as you kids would say now.) He looks like the Sixth Doctor. And that isn't a compliment.

By: John Kenneth Fisher

John Kenneth Fisher — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:20:04 -0800

[NOT GALLIFREYIST]

By: StickyCarpet

StickyCarpet — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:28:32 -0800

I guess it must have been steam engine time for punchline-free jokes. I'm reading the book now, and it does seem that way. He kept getting these amazing bookings, for private celebrity events and such, that it appears there was a real hunger for post modern anti-comedy. "You don't get it? Ha, Ha, the jokes on you, its not supposed to be funny!"

By: wemayfreeze

wemayfreeze — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:45:06 -0800

I love him for this article and for L.A. Story and for many, many other things. Thanks for the link.

By: Eideteker

Eideteker — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:07:12 -0800

I wasn't expecting that to be as entertaining or as enlightening as it was. In short, entirely like watching someone dance about architecture.

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:07:55 -0800

I'm looking forward to the chapter in his book that discusses the decline of his comedy, and explains the two Cheaper by the Dozen movie, the Pink Panther films, the Out of Towners, Sgt. Bilko, the Father of the Bride movies, Mixed Nuts, and Bringing Down the House.

By: Burhanistan

Burhanistan — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:13:31 -0800

Astro Zombie: Edgy, comedic insight doesn't pay the property taxes on your Malibu estate very well nowadays.

By: Eideteker

Eideteker — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:22:05 -0800

"And he's a good bluegrass player." I've said it before and I'll say it again, my favorite side of my Steve Martin Brothers LP is not the comedy side.

By: Atom Eyes

Atom Eyes — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:31:50 -0800

What I did read struck me as the standard celeb-memoir in a lot of ways, written in that flat "This happened. Then this happened." journalism 101 style. I would say breezy and effortless, rather than flat, and I actually prefer that to the more finicky, mannered prose style he used in the only other book of his I've read, Pure Drivel. I really enjoyed this one, and would recommend it to anyone who's interested in the philosophy and mechanics of performance comedy.

By: Doohickie

Doohickie — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:32:27 -0800

It is, in fact, the funniest essay ever written in the English language, but you don't get it yet. posted by ardgedee at 11:34 AM on January 30 I dunno.... this line jumped right out at me as comedy gold: In a college psychology class, I had read a treatise on comedy explaining that a laugh was formed when the storyteller created tension, then, with the punch line, released it. I didn't quite get this concept, nor do I still, but it stayed with me and eventually sparked my second wave of insights.

By: Doohickie

Doohickie — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:47:44 -0800

"How many people have never raised their hands before?" Wow. I'm not worthy to read the rest of the article.....

By: krinklyfig

krinklyfig — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:49:01 -0800

miss lynnster writes "I haven't read the article yet or anything. I will, but I'm still kinda busy being freaked out that Johnny Carson wore that jacket on television in all seriousness." "Am I different? Yeah. Have I changed my pants? No. Deep down, you really want to wear wider bottoms, you're just afraid." - James Traficant

By: Spatch

Spatch — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:58:59 -0800

And this line about his first live TV appearance? What happened while I was out there was very similar to an alien abduction: I remember very little of it, though I'm convinced it occurred. This is exactly what appearing on live TV feels like when you're not accustomed to it. I just saw Martin's second appearance on Saturday Night Live in 1977. He did one bit which I know he did in his stage appearances: he picked up an Instamatic, took a picture of himself, and then gesturing at the camera, said "You people get to see a show. All I have are... memories." Now I realize just how close to the truth that really was.

By: whimsicalnymph

whimsicalnymph — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:05:08 -0800

Interestingly, the "naming" bit that Steve Martin does in the video linked to the Smithsonian article is very similar to a bit that many have accused Dane Cook of stealing from Louis CK. Hackers all around? P.S. Dane Cook is right up there with VD and the Plague in my opinion, only less effective.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:08:05 -0800

He worked at Disneyland first, then Knott's. Yeah, it's the Disneyland part that I particularly liked, where he talks about his joy in perfecting magic tricks, and talks about the old-timey patter the magic shop guys would use.

By: Doohickie

Doohickie — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:09:45 -0800

A one-link post is not suitable FPP fodder. Unless it's the right link.

By: Kattullus

Kattullus — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:24:59 -0800

whimsicalnymph: Interestingly, the "naming" bit that Steve Martin does in the video linked to the Smithsonian article is very similar to a bit that many have accused Dane Cook of stealing from Louis CK. As much as I hate to come to Dane Cook's defense, but the name-your-kid-something-funny bit is old as dirt. The old version, like Steve Martin does it, has the mom call the kids in for dinner and it makes for a punchline.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:39:28 -0800

"You don't get it? Ha, Ha, the jokes on you, its not supposed to be funny!" That more or less describes the genius of Andy Kaufman. You were expecting teh funnay and all you got was anguish and loathing. Martin's jokes may not have been funny, but his delivery was spectacularly funny. Btw, I'm surprised not to see Gern Blanston on this thread.

By: quin

quin — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:41:09 -0800

I still think that Martin's funniest line, in a long career of very clever dialog was the opening to The Jerk: "Huh? My story? Okay. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child."

By: quin

quin — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:42:24 -0800

Though "that cat was the best fuck I've ever had" has to be a close second...

By: George_Spiggott

George_Spiggott — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:13:32 -0800

For some strange reason my favorite line of his is: "Carlotta was the kind of town where they spelled trouble 'T-R-U-B-I-L.' And if you tried to correct them... they'd kill you."

By: Ambrosia Voyeur

Ambrosia Voyeur — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:16:50 -0800

Dreamy.

By: twsf

twsf — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:16:54 -0800

Sadly I have to add myself to the list of people who didn't like the book much - in fact I gave it away after reading only a portion. The writing was incredibly flat and uninteresting. Love his stand up and his early movies, but the book read like a synopsis, not a book itself.

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:20:10 -0800

I'm glad he found his special purpose.

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:35:30 -0800

BTW, I used to LOVE the old business cards Steve had printed up. I SO wanted to copy the idea. He handed them out to people, geez, I think I remember it from about ten years ago. They said: "This certifies that you had a real encounter with Steve Martin and found him to be kind, courteous, charming and witty."

By: Rock Steady

Rock Steady — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:26:10 -0800

"Everything was learned in practice, and the lonely road, with no critical eyes watching, was the place to dig up my boldest, or dumbest, ideas and put them onstage. After a show, preoccupied by its success or failure, I would return to my motel room and glumly watch the three TV channels sign off the air at 11:30, knowing I had at least two more hours to stare at the ceiling before the adrenaline eased off and I could fall asleep." That is wonderful and evocative.

By: MiltonRandKalman

MiltonRandKalman — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:42:17 -0800

In a college psychology class, I had read a treatise on comedy explaining that a laugh was formed when the storyteller created tension, then, with the punch line, released it. So that's why farts are funny.

By: krinklyfig

krinklyfig — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:45:55 -0800

Oh, and Cruel Shoes is the best book Steve Martin ever wrote. Sorry, Steve, but I have to post this complete story from the book (I like to read this out loud to tolerant people during the holidays): "Gift Of The Magi Indian Giver" Carolyn wanted so much to give Roger something nice for Christmas, but they didn't have much money, and they had to spend every last cent on candy for the baby. She walked down the icy streets and peered into shop windows. "Roger is so proud of his shinbones. If only I could find some way to get money to buy shinbone polish." Just then, a sign caught her eye. "Cuticles bought and sold." Many people had told Carolyn of her beautiful cuticles, and Roger was especially proud of them, but she thought, "This is the way I could buy Roger the shinbone polish!" And she rushed into the store. Later at home, she waited anxiously as Roger came up the steps of their flat. He opened the door and wobbled over to the fireplace, suspiciously holding one arm behind his back. "Merry Christmas!" they both said, almost simultaneously. Roger spoke. "Hey, Nutsy, I got you a little something for Christmas." "Me too," said Carolyn, and they exchanged packages. Carolyn hurriedly opened her package staring in disbelief. "Cuticle Frames?! But Roger, I sold my cuticles so I could afford to buy you some shinbone polish!" "Shinbone polish!" said Roger, "I sold my shinbones to buy you the cuticle frames!" Roger wobbled over to her. "Well, I'll be hog-tied," said Carolyn. "You will? Oh, boy!" said Roger. And it turned out to be a great Christmas after all.

By: krinklyfig

krinklyfig — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:49:23 -0800

MiltonRandKalman writes "So that's why farts are funny." That's also Frank Zappa's philosophy of music in a nutshell - tension and release, and the balance between the two. Not a novel concept, but he took it and ran with it and arranged his concept of music theory around it.

By: krinklyfig

krinklyfig — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:07:03 -0800

I guess I should mention that Martin's always been a favorite comedian/writer/actor. He's not always consistent, but his writing is elegant and concise. His early days on SNL and comedy albums were a staple of my childhood. I love some of his later work, including "Roxanne" (retelling of "Cyrano de Bergerac"), though admittedly some stuff was plenty cheesy, and he had his share of clunkers like any entertainer. "The Man With Two Brains" is still one of my all-time favorite comedy movies ... so many, many golden lines. Also, "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid." He is the consummate entertainer, able to sing, dance, tell jokes, play music and act, and write and philosophize to boot - and he's actually quite good at all of them. He came onto the scene as a "wild and crazy guy," but he later revealed he's really a modern renaissance man. Funny, I remember in a somewhat recent interview, he said he saw too many intellectual comedians in his younger days, and he wanted to go out there and just be silly. But his comedy is deceptively intelligent, like slapstick with brains, comparable to geniuses like Peter Sellers, Laurel and Hardy, and even Charlie Chaplin. I just wish he'd stop with the Pink Panther movies already and leave Sellers' legacy alone.

By: empath

empath — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:44:44 -0800

The stuff he said about winding down after a set or not remembering sets I have had happen to me DJing, exactly like that. Not remembering anything from a 2 or 3 hour DJ set, and having to leave right afterwards and be by myself because I felt like I just left a warzone. I think anybody who does anything like live performance has to identify with that. Adrenaline is a crazy thing.

By: Miko

Miko — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:47:18 -0800

I haven't read the book yet, but I did read the excerpt in the New Yorker. Far from thinking his prose style flat, I thought it was reflective, meditative, and quiet. He wasn't writing as Funny Guy, but as Older Guy revisiting his life as though it really were another country. That opinion may change when I read the book, but I enjoyed his style. I did think he was painfully detailed about the girlfriend story in the piece I read. If there's a lot of that, it might impact the feeling of the book overall.

By: ZachsMind

ZachsMind — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:09:49 -0800

"Be so good they can't ignore you." Dammit! Why didn't Steve Martin tell me that twenty-five years ago!?

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:32:30 -0800

He showed an elegant, physical, comedic grace in All of Me. He's also fun in the unofficial-yet-perfect sequel to Goodfellas, My Blue Heaven. "My name's Todd. It's Italian for...extra-special."

By: onlyconnect

onlyconnect — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:53:22 -0800

but the book had a bittersweet tinge to it Much of his writing has that, actually (Shopgirl, The Pleasure of My Company, for example); this memoir is not the exception. It's one of the reasons I respect him as a writer -- that this master of comedy can be surprisingly introspective and beautifully capture the sadness as well as the comedy. I'm reading the memoir now. He does seem to focus a bunch on the girlfriends -- I thought it might be because he had to contact many people to get a record of his life from different time periods, and if these girlfriends gave him access to old postcards and pictures and memories and such, he might have felt obligated to pay tribute to them in book. He sort of does the same thing with his old male friends, too, though it might not be as noticeable. As I read these little vignettes I kept thinking, "he is being really nice to these people." I'm not sure if he really is that way, generally (Shopgirl made me think the opposite), or if he was trying to make up for possibly not having been nice to them in the past. I'm enjoying the book for the look into a time of his life that no one really knows that much about. It's a really interesting question -- how does someone who is recognized at some point to be a Master of Comedy get to be that way, what are the steps they took, what were their epiphanies, etc. And, some of the pictures are really wonderful. He seems quite the nerd when he was younger. Yum!