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XMLicious — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:16:25 -0800

The Tata Nano (pic) is a car that costs less new than the amount I've spent on gas during single car trips, recently announced to the auto market in India. The Chery QQ ^, successful , wide ly ex por ted, and recognized as the Hostage Taker's Vehicle of Choice by China Car Times, is the runner-up for the world's cheapest car but is still approximately twice as expensive. Yes indeed, the price of gas is not going to come back down. So much for my coast-to-coast road trips.

Forbes magazine's The World's Cheapest Cars (javascript slideshow)

By: opsin

opsin — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:43:13 -0800

Yes, very impressive of them to make a cheap car for the people, but has anyone seen the background to this company?

By: jouke

jouke — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:45:45 -0800

Very logical. Reminds me of the Bubble cars that were popular in Europe when Europe was poor after the war.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:01:27 -0800

Interesting connections, guys. Thanks, you've helped me to expand my tag-hoard.

By: DenOfSizer

DenOfSizer — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:11:43 -0800

The Tata is supercool, but for sheer style I much prefer the Ambassador. Great link re Tata, opsin - i always wondered how they seemed to be in control of every aspect of the indian economy.

By: hoverboards don't work on water

hoverboards don't work on water — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:56:03 -0800

Aren't second-hand cars still much, much cheaper?

By: odinsdream

odinsdream — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:05:23 -0800

Where the hell did you go on your road trip, and why did you drive an RV?

By: BeerFilter

BeerFilter — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:06:56 -0800

Unfortunately, throwing tags at this post doesn't make it any more interesting.

By: fearfulsymmetry

fearfulsymmetry — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:10:26 -0800

Is'nt that basically just another Smart Car?

By: pracowity

pracowity — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:12:57 -0800

Don't you think you've gone a bit too far with the tags? How useful is your "heh, lookit the li'l cars them furriners drive" post going to be to someone searching on the tags "bhopal" and "corporatecrime"?

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:15:44 -0800

2nd hand Indian microcars are probably cheaper, but compared to any U.S. second-hand car you might find for under $2500, since the Nano supposedly gets 50mpg any price difference might be made up in gas savings rather quickly. I went from New England to Seattle to San Diego and back to New England. With detours along the way, obviously. The tags aren't to make it more interesting; tags are the neurons of the hive mind. Read opsin's link for the relation to Bhopal.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:28:36 -0800

Arrgh, sorry for the double comment, the back button got me. Is'nt that basically just another Smart Car? your "heh, lookit the li'l cars them furriners drive" post They might market it as a Smart Car, I don't know. The thing that I find interesting is that this appears to cut in half the price of the cheapest car in the world, which I assume will greatly increase the number of people in the world who could afford a new car. I'm not pointing that out as some great humanitarian thing, it just seems a notable global standard-of-living change to me.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:41:49 -0800

Is'nt that basically just another Smart Car? Not really... at all. It seats four, and it costs nothing. It's more like a cheap Kia, but without pesky US emissions or safety features. And it doesn't go fast.

By: hadjiboy

hadjiboy — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:47:56 -0800

XMLicious, that's basically how most Indians, if not the entire car industry is looking at it. (Traditionally, lower-middle class families who couldn't afford a four-wheeler would opt for a two-wheeler like a motor-cycle, or even better--a scooter, on which they could carry a heavier load, but this would change the entire dynamics of the market here.) And it already has; people who previously wouldn't have dared to dream of owning a car--are proudly saying that they would buy one of Tata's Nanos as soon as they start rolling off the assembly lines. Kind of reminds me of the Model T. And Ratan Tata, who was all self-congratulatory at the unveiling of the car, couldn't help boast that he had accomplished such a feat ("I'd promised the people that I'd deliver them a car for 100,000 Rupees, and I think one ought to keep his promises). Fuck you Mr. Tata. As opsin's link points out, there's a lot more to this conglomerate than meets the eye. Shame really that us Indians can't help falling over each other to congratulate these murderers.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:05:26 -0800

The specs in the press release are interesting too. Two cylinder aluminum engine, same length as a U.S. Mini Cooper Clubman, seems to claim that it emits less pollutants than some Indian motorbikes. It does have some safety features; seat belts, and I assume "crumple zones" includes a collapsible steering column, and other things Ralph Nader would like. And the Forbes article says it "meets Euro IV emission norms." Thanks for some Indian perspective, hadjiboy.

By: pyrex

pyrex — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:06:52 -0800

Heh, crash test of the Cherry Amulet. Mmm, folds like paper. The Cherry QQ seems to hold up a bit better at least.

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:09:21 -0800

tag-hoard .. great - some "web 2.0" companies (like LibraryThing) are selling their tag-hoards for real money, there is a tag-hoard economy. One day, "the leader of Metafilter will unlock the tag-hoard".

By: mikeo2

mikeo2 — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:11:35 -0800

For me, Pyrex hit the nail on the head. I saw a few crash test videos of these small chineese cars before. Even if they do have "crumple zones", I have a feeling I'm about considerabily safter in my Mazda Protege, which gets 3xmpg. A cheap pricetag isn't everything.

By: DenOfSizer

DenOfSizer — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:30:01 -0800

Yeah, Mr. Tata might offset some of his karma if he could deliver a $2500 solar car that would only emit water. And if it were made out of superstrong recycled plastic, and a convertible.

By: mr_book

mr_book — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:30:32 -0800

has a 33 brake horsepower, 624 cubic centimeter, two-cylinder gasoline engine in the rear. so it's basically a four-seater lawnmower. i had a 1990 dodge prism very similar. Heh, crash test of the Cherry Amulet. Mmm, folds like paper time to take the train, then.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:35:48 -0800

There is a certain elegance to the idea that a car that will only be used in crippling traffic has no need for an excessive top speed.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:41:04 -0800

I have a feeling I'm about considerabily safter in my Mazda Protege, which gets 3xmpg. A cheap pricetag isn't everything. Or as Marie Antoinette put it, "Let them eat cake." ;^)

By: Skeptic

Skeptic — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:48:09 -0800

pyrex: The Cherry QQ seems to hold up a bit better at least. No surprise, since the QQ isn't Chery's own design, but a blatant copy of the GM/Daewoo Matiz (this particular tidbit always cracks me up: "Chery even used a camouflaged Matiz car to pass auto tests to acquire authorization from the government over production and sales of QQ.")

By: Postroad

Postroad — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:03:57 -0800

India and China. More wealth. More cars. more worldwide pollution. Less gas worldwide. No stopping progress.

By: Skeptic

Skeptic — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:09:28 -0800

Oh, I now found out that the Chery Amulet is also a (bad) copy, namely of the old SEAT Toledo. (SEAT, a VW subsidiary, sold its tooling to a Mexican scrapyard, which then sold it on to those nice guys from Chery...who of course didn't bother with anything as mundane as asking VW for the IP rights or technical support which could have avoided their turning a technically ancient, but decent car into a deathtrap.)

By: M.C. Lo-Carb!

M.C. Lo-Carb! — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:33:27 -0800

If Mr. Tata's car works as well as the outsourced database work his mega-corp. did for my state government, then I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy 'tis a cute little bugger, though...

By: Tube

Tube — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:43:49 -0800

First Audi produced the "TT", and now India gives us the "Tata". Personally I'm holding out for the large and luxurious vehicle called the "Bazoom".

By: delmoi

delmoi — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:53:38 -0800

There's a company in Europe that's planning on giving out free cars and charging for gas.

By: mrzarquon

mrzarquon — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:16:32 -0800

This is definitely not a "smart car replacement". Compare the above crash tests with this one. I wish the started selling them sooner, or my sister would have picked one up as it would have been perfect for her to and from college drive she has to do right now.

By: Mitrovarr

Mitrovarr — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:34:09 -0800

mrzarquon: This is definitely not a "smart car replacement". Compare the above crash tests with this one. Wow, no kidding. I wouldn't have wanted to be in the smart car, but it's definitely not the guaranteed closed casket funeral that the knock-off appeared to be. Still, I worry about larger vehicles clipping them off right at the windshield level, and visibility issues with them being too close to the ground.

By: mrzarquon

mrzarquon — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:46:51 -0800

Well, the high hit protection and road visibility is a war of escalation, because as soon as you have your high road view and protection against other people's trailer hitches, you are now the threat to everyone else who doesn't have a tree fucker 4000. You are still aren't protected from getting hit by a semi. Also, it looks like the sight lines and body height of the car is equal to that of my jetta. And only the occasional jacked up 4x4 f250 causes me to worry (btw, who the hell drives such a vehicle in downtown seattle?). Another issue I have with the $2500 car is now everyone will be driving gasoline burning cars, granted it may be more efficient than a 2 stroke motorcycle engine, but hopefully it doesn't come at the cost of public transportation and more efficient transportation systems.

By: Mitrovarr

Mitrovarr — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:52:28 -0800

mrzarquon: Well, the high hit protection and road visibility is a war of escalation, because as soon as you have your high road view and protection against other people's trailer hitches, you are now the threat to everyone else who doesn't have a tree fucker 4000. You are still aren't protected from getting hit by a semi. Yeah, I know it's a war of escalation, and I hate it, but it still would suck to die because someone else was playing it and I wasn't. Kind of makes me wish I could outfit my car with lances at SUV-driver eye level. Hey, the deterrent effect makes me safer - if you get one through the face, well, you should have been driving a little Toyota with eye-lances like I was.

By: enn

enn — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:52:36 -0800

As a lifelong pedestrian, I fully support the idea of a car against which I'd stand a sporting chance in a fight.

By: Faint of Butt

Faint of Butt — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:02:07 -0800

First Audi produced the "TT", and now India gives us the "Tata". Personally I'm holding out for the large and luxurious vehicle called the "Bazoom". You'll need to buy one of these.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:43:00 -0800

I like tata grandes myself, but that's a personal preference.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:47:41 -0800

At the Auto Expo in New Delhi, Ratan Tata drove the Nano, which the company calls the People's Car You know who else created a people's car?

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:55:46 -0800

Even if they do have "crumple zones", I have a feeling I'm about considerabily safter in my Mazda Protege No crumple zone could ever be designed to protect against the homicidal maniacs behind the wheels of India's ubiquitous Tata trucks, the juggernauts of the Kaliyuga.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:14:25 -0800

Speaking of Indian drivers (YT, previously)

By: alicesshoe

alicesshoe — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:18:22 -0800

yeah, tata and chery 'aint no Benz Smart car. You can expect garbage for your money and you'd spend it more wisely on a 2nd hand car. It took Kia over 10 years to produce a worthy product, don't even start about Chinese and Indian made 'cars', puh-fucking-lease. Too bad the Smart Roadster isn't going to be seen anymore. Scroll down, RHS photos of the Smart Coupe and Smart Coupe Brabus. Friends of mine sent me photos of the Brabus on the streets in Zurich on their ski trip. dang, that's sweet looking. The smart.de [Germany] site is more interesting.

By: alicesshoe

alicesshoe — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:23:00 -0800

To clarify, Tata & Chery=garbage.

By: Dasein

Dasein — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:11:20 -0800

Anyone who compares this to the Smart car doesn't know what they're talking about, frankly. The Tata Nano cuts corners in every possible way to save money. To take just one example, it has a top speed is 75mph, but its wheel bearings are only rated for 45mph. The Smart car has a cage of ultra-high strength steel to keep its passengers safe in a crash, and is backed by German engineering and construction. Which would you feel safer driving in?

By: vivelame

vivelame — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:52:29 -0800

India and China. More wealth. More cars. more worldwide pollution. Less gas worldwide. No stopping progress. posted by Postroad at 9:03 AM on February 3

Yeah, those uppity brown and yellow people who want the same things that we have, they're going to ruin it for us. Fuck them, we got ours! What's next? Gas too expensive and we'll have to trash our SUVs? No way, this means WAR! Oh, wait..

By: Mitheral

Mitheral — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:08:30 -0800

smackfu writes "It seats four, and it costs nothing. It's more like a cheap Kia, but without pesky US emissions or safety features." The article claims "it meets Euro IV emission norms and stringent safety standards". UbuRoivas writes "At the Auto Expo in New Delhi, Ratan Tata drove the Nano, which the company calls the People's Car

"You know who else created a people's car?" The similarities are interesting. 33hp to the Type 1's 34. Both rear engined and four passenger. Both have solid steel bodies as a selling point. The original Beetle was larger I think. Both cost about the same as a motorcycle when introduced. If the safety and emmision claims were true I'd buy one at twice the price.