Comments on: Psychologists Protest APA's Position On Interrogations

Psychologists Protest APA's Position On Interrogations

Rykey — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:21:13 -0800

Citing the organization's "sharp shift in values and direction," Ken Pope, prominent member of the American Psychological Association (and a former chair of its Ethics Committee), resigned his membership on February 6. He's the latest of a growing number of professional psychologists who have quit APA in protest of its position on the use of psychologists in government interrogations in the "War on Terror."

By: roll truck roll

roll truck roll — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:36:09 -0800

Don't mind me. I'm just commenting so that I can see this thread every day for the next month.

By: Postroad

Postroad — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:41:12 -0800

Perhaps those quitters could join the religious guys who attend executions in prison, or with the religious guys that serve in the military.

By: Rumple

Rumple — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:47:12 -0800

Or those religious guys in the Spanish Inquisition, say.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:57:54 -0800

It's nice to have some accountability in society. Unfortunately we've effectively allowed it to be removed from the government in exchange.

By: OmieWise

OmieWise — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:03:20 -0800

I wish the number were larger. The APA has not been nearly strident enough in drawing a clear line about when it's unacceptable for psychologists to engage in torture or psychological pressure.

By: nzero

nzero — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:07:37 -0800

History is not going to be kind to this era in the United States. Some very bad things are going down. (Can I start screaming and running hysterically in circles yet?)

By: tula

tula — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:10:56 -0800

I think a couple of you may have this backwards? The quitters are doing so because the APA isn't taking a hard line against torture. The quitters are the white hats.

By: DU

DU — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:14:06 -0800

I think a couple of you may have this backwards? Nope, we just have pro-torture idiots in our midst.

By: Rumple

Rumple — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:20:53 -0800

No I get it. Postroad is trolling. The shocking thing is this is even news. The Am Anthropology Assoc has been through similar issues around Anthropologists being used in psyops, etc. I can't believe the APA, of all organizations, is not crystal clear on this issue.

By: tula

tula — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:22:51 -0800

Ah, well then. Carry on.

By: joe lisboa

joe lisboa — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:27:14 -0800

(Can I start screaming and running hysterically in circles yet?) And ruin a perfectly good future response to your inevitable Taser-brand tasering?

By: Rancid Badger

Rancid Badger — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:01:28 -0800

Studying for the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) was torture and I still have flashbacks. When Mike Tyson snacked on Evander Holyfield's ear, he was forced to take the same psychological test. It came back "normal." So, as a fellow cannibalistic pugilist (although I enjoyed my ear with Wild Turkey) I'm just as normal or so say the psychologist. I still eat my M&M's one by one with a glass of water, old habits die hard.

By: Kirth Gerson

Kirth Gerson — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:02:17 -0800

The APA has not been nearly strident enough in drawing a clear line about when it's unacceptable for psychologists to engage in torture or psychological pressure. It looks worse than that. From the PDF at the other end of the position link:

Strong public protests over the PENS Report [which condoned psychologists participating in interrogations, without mentioning torture or other abuse] prompted the APA Divisions for Social Justice and others to craft a new resolution prohibiting psychologists from participating in abusive detainee interrogations. In August 2006, after much discussion and debate, the APA'S Council of Representatives passed a Resolution Against Torture, Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment. However, the version published by the APA differed from the version discussed and passed by the Council, in at least one significant respect: in the document reviewed by Council, psychologists were instructed to look to the United Nations Principles of Medical Ethics and international instruments for definitions of unethical behavior and "torture, cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment." In the published document, the definition of torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment instead was taken from the 5th, 8th and 14th amendments to the US Constitution, precisely the same definitions that had been used by the CIA, the DoD and the Bush Administration to assert that the abusive interrogation techniques in use at Guantánamo, CIA black sites, and elsewhere were not "torture, cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment."

Somebody high up in the APA seems to be on board with the Bush Administration's policies.

By: nzero

nzero — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:46:42 -0800

And ruin a perfectly good future response to your inevitable Taser-brand tasering? :( Not happy.

By: Lentrohamsanin

Lentrohamsanin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:17:51 -0800

No I get it. Postroad is trolling. It's not trolling if you believe it. Not sure which is preferable though.

By: synaesthetichaze

synaesthetichaze — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:41:36 -0800

Postroad isn't trolling, nor is he a pro-torture numbskull. He is being what is known as "facetious" in the real world, or, on the internet, "confusing."

By: jasper411

jasper411 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:30:42 -0800

This has been a big topic on psychology listservs over the last year or so. I think the OP should have linked to APA itself, in the interests of fairness (but ignore the fact that the president looks *exactly* like PeeWee Herman). FWIW, I think APA is a mostly useless organization, and I stopped being a member years ago.

By: Rykey

Rykey — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:56:22 -0800

I think the OP should have linked to APA itself Good point. Thanks!

By: k8t

k8t — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:07:46 -0800

So, uhhh... does this mean we can boycott APA style?