Comments on: Humans vs The Sea

Humans vs The Sea

dhruva — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:15:00 -0800

A Global Map of Human Impacts to Marine Ecosystems "What happens in the vast stretches of the world's oceans - both wondrous and worrisome - has too often been out of sight, out of mind. The goal of the research presented here is to estimate and visualize, for the first time, the global impact humans are having on the ocean's ecosystems."

By: Navelgazer

Navelgazer — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:08:03 -0800

I like that apparently the Australian efforts to keep the Great Coraal Reef from taking too much damage are apparently working.

By: twirlypen

twirlypen — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:20:33 -0800

It's interesting, but I wouldn't have minded if it went into a bit more in depth- why are some of the areas where you might expect more of an effect (like the GBR) fairly fine, and what in particular makes the worst areas that way? Without that information it's just a colourful map, really. Are there different conservation programs? Different government requirements for companies regarding dumping/pollution?

By: ericb

ericb — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:25:39 -0800

NBC Nightly News video segment on this analysis which was reported today in Science.

By: one_bean

one_bean — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:31:02 -0800

This was originally planned as the Marine Human Footprint (Terrestrial H.F., previously), but ... things happened between the collaborators at UCSB and the folks at WCS who actually conceptualized the study (and, I believe, collated most of the data). WCS submitted a parallel paper to Science (probably around the same time). Having worked on the study at WCS, it's frustrating to see this, but at the same time it's good somebody published it.

By: mattoxic

mattoxic — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:21:52 -0800

A Japanese whaling fleet has just marked this post as a favourite

By: Huplescat

Huplescat — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:25:11 -0800

Getting a little more specific in an ocean of trouble... The plastic fantastic sargasso mass. Previously in the blue

By: homunculus

homunculus — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:06:27 -0800

Mating Season

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:10:17 -0800

Man I just wasted an hour watching the clips in ericb's NBC Nightly News link, some good stuff there. Who knew the richest self-made woman in the world, richer than Oprah, made her money recycling waste paper from the USA, shipped to China on empty return-bound cargo-ships, and sent back to the US as packing paper. Also a clip on the sargasso sea (click "Our Planet" left side more).

By: Mblue

Mblue — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:49:10 -0800

Who knew the richest self-made woman in the world, richer than Oprah, made her money recycling waste paper from the USA That's old news.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:33:54 -0800

The oceans will recover and do fine, once fish hits $50+/lb. We'll just starve, while our cars grow fat and gluttonous with corn.

By: HTuttle

HTuttle — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:59:59 -0800

So, kill yourself or STFU.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:15:25 -0800

I'm curious what the definition for "impact" might be. Most, if not all of the lower-impact or blue areas of the map are pelagic regions, in the middle of the Pacific. However, the most productive regions occur on the Continental Shelf, which is where the greatest impact is. But does impact mean "resource extraction" (ie, fishing) or "pollution"? They mention using this data to evaluate what impact an activity would have on the ocean in that area. But it's not like you can relocate a sewage pipe or a fishery to the middle of the ocean.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:35:43 -0800

So, kill yourself or STFU. I'll take the salmon, trout, flounder and urchin. Thanks. Cake or death?

By: Mblue

Mblue — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:24:18 -0800

Cake or death? I believe both involve a fry pan.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:55:31 -0800

Look at the Lorenz attractors and the differential equations in their banner graphic! Their brains are so big! Sometimes it's hard to put on their cokebottle glasses and tie up their pony tails in the morning! Speaking of ecological destruction, I like the uninhabited islands in the South Pacific where every native animal has been overwhelmed by the descendants of rats that escaped from European sailing vessels. It's a rat-eat-rat world, y'know.

By: ericb

ericb — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:29:47 -0800

Who knew the richest self-made woman in the world, richer than Oprah, made her money recycling waste paper from the USA That's old news. Exactly...as stbalbach was likely aware while he was meandering through the NBC Nightly News video archives for about an hour last night.

By: Miko

Miko — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:30:00 -0800

The oceans will recover and do fine, once fish hits $50+/lb. That's doubtful; this isn't solely a market problem any more. Populations of certain fish are already below the level at which they are likely to be able to overcome habitat destruction, continued harvesting, and temperature changes and 'bounce back.' The consensus among marine scientists is that the oceans - at least fishing grounds - are the equivalent of scorched earth.

By: Mblue

Mblue — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:09:56 -0800

Exactly...as stbalbach was likely aware while he was meandering through the NBC Nightly News video archives for about an hour last night. That's why it's his first link, eh? "Sheesh, sick of scanning, this one." Thank God I have Mea Culpa mark with a....( what's the Trade Mark gummy thingy?)

By: tremendo

tremendo — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:52:01 -0800

one_bean: This was originally planned as the Marine Human Footprint8230;

Indeed, and one of the co-author credits goes to WCS(4).

twirlypen: I wouldn't have minded if it went into a bit more in depth

Well, you can get the actual study for all the details: subscription required.

By: one_bean

one_bean — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:10:04 -0800

Yeah... the weird thing about that is she hasn't worked at WCS for about 3 years. But she was a post-doc hired (I believe) specifically to work on this project, so it makes sense. Nevertheless, there were plenty of other people at WCS who worked hard that got no credit.