In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.Deval Patrick shared language used in his speeches with Obama's speechwriters. He wanted Obama to use his words. He doesn't think Obama should give him credit. Please tell me where I can find the scandal here, because I'm just not seeing it.
Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.
Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.
“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”
I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.posted by ibmcginty at 12:27 PM on February 18, 2008
They would not.
In fact, Wolfson seemed to say it wouldn't be as big a deal if it were discovered that Clinton had "lifted" such language.
"Sen. Clinton is not running on the strength of her rhetoric," Wolfson said.
Obama's speech, which started slow, built up steam and brought the subdued crowd to its feet. The lack of a teleprompter appeared to help him, allowing him to riff on his own and return to parts of his stump speech that he hasn't really used since Iowa or New Hampshire.Another post on FirstRead today is also of interest.
Clearly, the Clinton campaign is using Wisconsin as something of a test case of how effective negative attacks on Obama can be.posted by putzface_dickman at 12:34 PM on February 18, 2008
Moreover, choosing to reward dishonest behavior with $50 just because somebody you don't like complained about it is ridiculously infantile. It tends to reinforce the perception that Obama's following is largely a cult of personality; the response to dishonesty by Obama is to blame Clinton for pointing it out.We disagree on whether or not the behavior was, in any way at all, dishonest. I know that I routinely use the exact phrasing used by friends and colleagues in casual speech and in presentations. I've seen the same happen with other people. I view this as memetic transfer, not some sort of lazy or dishonest plagiarism.
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. [...] It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief.posted by LooseFilter at 8:01 PM on February 18, 2008 [2 favorites]
Yeah, I think it's about time that Obama is exposed as the fraud that he is.That's a new one! Metafilter: Fair and Balanced. I'll even footnote that so that my opinion is valid; it's the slogan of Fox News.
(OK, I don't have much to back that up, but this thread can sure use some balance.)
She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched. […]
After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero. […]
Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed. She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration’s handling of Iraq…. She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program…. She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism…. Her strong advocacy for children continues in the Senate. Some of Hillary’s proudest achievements have been her work to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards.
The Board of Elections has acknowledged that errors in reporting the election day tallies made it appear that Obama had received not a single vote in 55 election districts, when in reality his votes had simply not been counted, said Valerie Vazquez-Rivera, a spokeswoman for the board. In another 27 districts, Obama actually received no votes, she said...posted by grouse at 1:59 AM on February 21, 2008
But Tuesday, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, described the results as "fraud."
"If you want to call it significant undercounting, I guess that's a euphemism for fraud," the mayor said.
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'UPDATE: The Obama campaign has issued a statement from Gov. Patrick: "Sen. Obama and I are long-time friends and allies. We often share ideas about politics, policy and language. The argument in question, on the value of words in the public square, is one about which he and I have spoken frequently before. Given the recent attacks from Sen. Clinton, I applaud him responding in just the way he did."'
posted by chasing at 12:12 PM on February 18, 2008