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Some papers

Taksi Putra — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:00:30 -0800

Some interesting papers by Shamsiddin Kamoliddin:
To the Question of Origin of the Name Hashimgird
To the Question of the Origin of the Samanids
NEW DATA ON THE BAZRS OF MEDIEVAL SAMARQAND
On the Origin of the place-Name Buxārā I found these mostly on Transoxiana.org

By: squarehead

squarehead — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:46:49 -0800

Awesome.

By: DenOfSizer

DenOfSizer — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:56:04 -0800

There are many HBO specials to be made out of all this!

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:58:29 -0800

Yeah, I've just done some skimming so far and am already blown away. Medieval Central Asia is a topic that's always fascinated me; Bukhara, Samarkand, and the Samanids—magic words to my ears! The translationese in these articles can take getting used to, but it's worth it if you're interested in the topic:

Маnichaeism in the Central Asia during long time coexisted with the Buddhism, and influence of the Buddhism on east branch of the Manichaeism was so strong, that Mānī in the Manichaeic texts was called as the Buddha or Mānī–Buddha... Hence, the prototype of mausoleum of the Samanids was, most likely, not a Buddhist, but a Manichaean temple, and the king of Bukhara named Māh (El - tegin, Parmūda) was not the Buddhist, but Manichaean. ... Basing on above mentioned data, it might be supposed that the name of Buxārā originated from a Turkic word buxar, that means «a Buddhist temple». In such case it can be explained impossibility of formation of the form pux’r, fixed in the Sogdian sources, from a Sanskrit word vihara, which, in turn, testifies that name of the city (Buxārā) is formed not on the basis of the Sogdian lexicon, but on the basis of the Turkic one. In that case the Sogdian form Puxar (pwx’r) was transformation not of the Sanskrit word vihara, but the Turkic buxar with the same meaning.

I love this stuff.

By: EricGjerde

EricGjerde — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:14:35 -0800

Languagehat, I share your fascination with this topic, unreservedly. Posts like this make me love Metafilter so very, very much.

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:13:27 -0800

Favourited. Thanks.

By: nax

nax — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:09:02 -0800

The papers read like the opening to the 1001 Nights. Wonderful.

By: Wilder

Wilder — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:46:40 -0800

I just jumped in to say how happy I was that the blue is doing what it does best. Great post. Joeclark, your general purpose and mine vary considerably, but that's what great about this site.

By: cortex

cortex — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:23:09 -0800

There is, as it happens, a Metatalk thread where complaints about the post could go.

By: Razzle Bathbone

Razzle Bathbone — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:13:27 -0800

Cool post. The region has always fascinated me since I came across a copy of Byron's Road to Oxiana at a thrift shop when I was little. As an aside, I always wanted to name my Kraut Rock/Prog Rock power trio Transoxiana

By: Meatbomb

Meatbomb — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:06:57 -0800

Reglular Tajiks freezing and starving, while president steals loans from aid organisations.

By: thatwhichfalls

thatwhichfalls — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:32:31 -0800

Great post - looks like the kind of thing John Emerson would be interested in (assuming he didn't set it up). Much reading here - many thanks.

By: shamskamol

shamskamol — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:07:02 -0800

Dear colleagues, I research medieval history and geography of Central Asia. I am glad that you are interested in my articles on the Bukhara and Samanids, which published in Transoxiana web-journal. If anybody have some questions to me I am ready to comment my point of view. All the best, Shamsiddin Kamoliddin.

By: shamskamol

shamskamol — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:47:39 -0800

For those, who intersted in the Turkic historical place names there is an English translation of the book S.Kamoliddin "Ancient Turkic Toponymy of Central Asia" (Tashkent: Sharq, 2006), which is available in the following web-site: http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/Toponymy/KamoliddinPart1En.htm Shamsiddin Kamoliddin.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:57:54 -0800

Thanks very much, I look forward to reading it. Here's a direct link, for anyone else who's interested.