Comments on: Retro Russia

Retro Russia

tellurian — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:10:39 -0800

Soviet Museum has some great retro photography, industrial, postcards, propaganda, "Soviet Union" magazine, aspects of moscow, red army, etc [did I mention erotic too?]. It even has 'Vladimir Putin Favourite Places' (which as far as I can tell, is one place). Set aside some time if this sort of thing interests you.

By: joelf

joelf — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:19:40 -0800

pig is drunk

By: wabbittwax

wabbittwax — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:23:33 -0800

In Soviet Russia, photographs look at you.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:24:32 -0800

'Vladimir Putin Favourite Places' (which as far as I can tell, is one place)

Krasnaya Polyana is an urban-type settlement under the jurisdiction of Sochi, Krasnodar Krai, Russia. ... The resort is slated to host the snow events (alpine and nordic) of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi.

Yeah, I think the part I bolded has more to do with its being featured than whatever it is Putin "really" likes (aside from power and repression). And speaking of Sochi, man, those pictures don't look like the dumpy place I spent eleven hellish days in back in 1971. Our choices were: 1) hang out on the uncomfortable pebble beach with a bunch of Poles, East Germans, and other beer-bellied citizens of fraternal socialist nations, or 2) stay in our hotel room and play canasta. We chose the latter. Er, but never mind my grumpy reminiscences—this is a great site. Thanks, tellurian!

By: Artw

Artw — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:34:43 -0800

In post Soviet Russia, Vladimir Putin doesn't like YOU.

By: cashman

cashman — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:36:03 -0800

Either I just read wabbittwax's response unenthusiastically, or that meme is now completely over. Or maybe it was just the delivery. I love the industrial ones. You could swap out "industrial" for "Any 70's sci-fi movie" and they'd hold up just as well.

By: Avenger

Avenger — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:43:10 -0800

Soviet women sport socialist bush. [NSFW] Also, could someone who speaks Russian translate this set of pictures? I'd be interested to see the rationale behind showing Americans protesting the US government, since, presumably, the Soviet viewer's inability to protest their own government wouldn't have been lost on them. Also, Yoko Ono.

By: nasreddin

nasreddin — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:48:14 -0800

Also, could someone who speaks Russian translate this set of pictures? I'd be interested to see the rationale behind showing Americans protesting the US government, since, presumably, the Soviet viewer's inability to protest their own government wouldn't have been lost on them. Well, this was the late '80s, and by that time no one was bothering to enforce any kind of ideological points--Glasnost was already implemented, and no one would have been fooled anyway. But in general the Soviets loved to play the "look how bad the Americans have it, them's yer cultural contradictions of capitalism right there" game.

By: nasreddin

nasreddin — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:51:58 -0800

It's also interesting that they use the term "Red Army"--after World War II the name was officially changed to "Soviet Army," and the old term wasn't used anymore except to evoke a kind of "those were the heroic Revolutionary days" nostalgia.

By: tellurian

tellurian — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:54:35 -0800

Er, but never mind my grumpy reminiscences Reminisce away. I thought of you when I came across this site. It's lovely that you turned up to share.

By: doctor_negative

doctor_negative — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:46:40 -0800

Nixie Tube overload. I don't know what it is, but it's gorgeous.

By: DecemberBoy

DecemberBoy — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:02:40 -0800

Holy shit, thanks so much for this. I'm slightly obsessed with Communist iconography and Socialist Realism, so I'll probably be going through this site for hours. The propaganda link contains some awesome stuff, most of which I've never seen before. For all the many failings of Stalinism, it sure did produce some great art. Carry out the Five Year Plan, comrades!

By: nasreddin

nasreddin — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:23:25 -0800

The propaganda link contains some awesome stuff, most of which I've never seen before. For all the many failings of Stalinism, it sure did produce some great art. You only say that because it's exotic to you. Every time I see a giant brightly colored image of Lenin it fills me with an overwhelming sense of dreariness and decay.

By: Artw

Artw — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:34:02 -0800

Lenin now makes me think of encroaching yuppyisation.

By: DecemberBoy

DecemberBoy — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:58:51 -0800

You only say that because it's exotic to you. Every time I see a giant brightly colored image of Lenin it fills me with an overwhelming sense of dreariness and decay. You're right, of course. When I say "some great art", I'm only talking about the form, not what it represents. I've also seen some great Chinese propaganda art advocating the Great Leap Forward and the One-Child Policy (this is one of my favorites), and while what they're advocating is monstrous, the images themselves are at least nice to look at. On the other hand, Fascist propaganda, particularly from Nazi Germany, is totally boring and pedestrian. WWII-era US propaganda is pretty hit-or-miss, with a few outstanding examples like Rosie The Riveter and "When you ride alone, you ride with Hitler". The propaganda poster is kind of a lost art. I suppose it's because modern mass media like TV and radio are far more effective methods for propaganda. You'd think that the modern crypto-fascist US would at least be producing some great visual propaganda, but Fox News is more effective than posters.

By: nasreddin

nasreddin — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:18:22 -0800

You're right, of course. When I say "some great art", I'm only talking about the form, not what it represents. I've also seen some great Chinese propaganda art advocating the Great Leap Forward and the One-Child Policy (this is one of my favorites), and while what they're advocating is monstrous, the images themselves are at least nice to look at. No, what I'm saying is they're only nice to look at if you aren't accustomed to the aesthetic. While there were some great Soviet propaganda posters (this is my favorite) they were only a tiny fraction of the total output. You have to remember that this shit was everywhere in the USSR, not just officially on posters but on textbooks, monuments, flyers, etc. If you spent enough time looking at them, you would come to dislike them as much as, say, tacky Burger King ads.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:02:07 -0800

I have to agree with nasreddin—I think the esthetic effect of most Soviet propaganda art (especially those endless heroic images of Lenin) fades really quickly if you're exposed to them enough. That НЕ БАЛУЙ! one is great, though. (I think in this context it means 'Don't fool around,' 'Don't get up to monkey business,' but nasreddin will correct me if not.)

By: tellurian

tellurian — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:58:45 -0800

this shit was everywhere in the USSR, not just officially on posters but on textbooks In fairytales too.

By: nasreddin

nasreddin — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:17:56 -0800

(I think in this context it means 'Don't fool around,' 'Don't get up to monkey business,' but nasreddin will correct me if not.) Yeah, that's exactly it. What gets me is the absurdity of the scene, it's almost Dadaist. The young officer is holding a book entitled "The Great Patriotic War 1941-1945." Why? Is he reading it? The Jewish-looking capitalist is holding a bomb that says "Atomic Bomb." Why does he need a torch, then?! In fairytales too. There were lots of parodies of those. I like this one: Lenin was standing in front of the mirror and shaving. A little boy was standing next to him and asking him questions. Lenin carefully closed his razor and answered the boy. BUT HE COULD'VE SLICED HIM UP!

By: DecemberBoy

DecemberBoy — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:22:15 -0800

No, what I'm saying is they're only nice to look at if you aren't accustomed to the aesthetic. I see what you're saying. You have to understand, though, that growing up in the US during the Cold War, we were taught that the Communist countries were totally alien. It wasn't until I was older and had more access to information from the Internet and such that I even realized that citizens of Communist countries had lives, friends, went out to drink and have fun, and did everything else that humans do. From what I was taught, I pretty much thought they were robots who spent all of their time implementing Five Year Plans and hailing the virtues of the Glorious Comrade Stalin before an evening of calisthenics at the People's Recreation Center. So to me, even still, looking at this stuff is like viewing objects from an alien world. So yeah, you're absolutely right that I only like them because they're exotic, but that doesn't make them less interesting to me. I even thought that Soviet lemonade labels site from a while back was really neat.

By: flapjax at midnite

flapjax at midnite — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:07:06 -0800

Cool, tellurian. Thanks!