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		<title>The Art Ensemble of Chicago</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfX_KVdjpo"&gt;An introductory piece&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artensembleofchicago.com/index.html&quot;&gt;Art Ensemble of Chicago&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4mTdOn5DzQ&quot;&gt;Some funk from the quintet.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ztiIdSDaY&quot;&gt;&quot;Ohnedaruth&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, 1983, in Warsaw (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp3fACwoaC8&quot;&gt;pt. 2&lt;/a&gt;)
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKh1G5sMN9s&quot;&gt;Four songs in five minutes.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG-ou-JSiLE&quot;&gt;Lugano, Switzerland, 1979.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxgErs9QMnM&quot;&gt;With some djembe players sitting in (80s?).&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah5OVkgUtF8&quot;&gt;With Cecil Taylor, 1984.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhBtl8QEuCE&quot;&gt;In Cagliari, 1982.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWFw2NEI23Y&quot;&gt;In 1981.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=perVFDDy_xg&quot;&gt;Theme de Yoyo&lt;/a&gt; (with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXSocE_M1G4&quot;&gt;Fontella Bass&lt;/a&gt; ).  I wish there was a better video, but you should definitely listen.

Bonus: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tbfd8_U4Ac&quot;&gt;Roscoe Mitchell Sound and Space Ensemble.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=621&quot;&gt;A fireside chat with the band from All About Jazz (2003).&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.furious.com/perfect/jarman.html&quot;&gt;PSF interview with Joseph Jarman (1999).&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0JF05quIJA&quot;&gt;Bill Cosby&apos;s tribute to Lester Bowie (!).&lt;/a&gt;

Bonus bonus having nothing to do with AEoC: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOojV4WaPmk&quot;&gt;Sonny Sharrock and band (Laswell, Kaiser, DST, others) while Keith Haring does a live drawing (1983).&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;small&gt;Sorry for the link dump, but once I started watching these awhile back, I reallized that they were all really amazing.  Also, sorry for the insistence of one of the YT users placing small ads before some of the vids.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:58:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sleepy pete</dc:creator>		<category>artensembleofchicago</category>		<category>jazz</category>		<category>freejazz</category>		<category>music</category>		<category>soul</category>		<category>fontellabass</category>		<category>realblackmusic</category>		<category>ancienttothefuture</category>
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		<title>By: ornate insect</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2093906</link>	
		<description>saw them back in the 1980s at the Atlanta Jazz Festival. Thanks for the post.</description>
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		<title>By: sleepy pete</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2093920</link>	
		<description>I had tickets to see them a few years back in Kansas City in the 18th and Vine District (on my birthday, no less), but Lester Bowie died and they cancelled the tour.  I was heartbroken in a couple of different ways.  They&apos;re one of the few bands I haven&apos;t seen live that I really, really wish I could, so I&apos;m a bit jealous.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:22:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2093957</link>	
		<description>I saw them too&amp;mdash;a perfect blend of great music and great presentation.  I felt I was seeing &lt;em&gt;something happening &lt;/em&gt;and not just music being made.  (Kind of like seeing the Arkestra.)  I was thrilled when I scored a copy of the five-CD 1967/68 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.answers.com/topic/art-ensemble-1967-68?cat=entertainment&quot;&gt;set &lt;/a&gt;from Nessa for a price I could almost afford &lt;small&gt;(and where the hell is it?  I&apos;m having trouble finding some of my CD&apos;s since I moved...)&lt;/small&gt;  I&apos;m really looking forward to exploring these clips; many thanks for the post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:53:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ornate insect</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2093967</link>	
		<description>Also saw Lester Bowie&apos;s Brass Fantasy at Sweet Basil once, the same week Wynton Marsalis came down to the club in the hopes of sitting in for a cutting contest (Down Beat had recently run a Lester Bowie piece in which he disparaged Marsalis, if I remember correctly). The rumor was that Lester had chosen to just leave Wynton in the audience instead of inviting him to play. Which is hardly surprising, since Lester&apos;s music was not really a jam vehicle for cutting as Wynton imagined it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:02:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: auralcoral</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094016</link>	
		<description>this rules!  been listening to &quot;full force&quot; and &quot;fanfare for the warriors&quot; for a while now so it&apos;s nice to see some live performances.  favorited!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:59:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joseph Gurl</title>
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		<description>Listening to &lt;em&gt;Baptizum &lt;/em&gt;right now. &lt;em&gt;There&apos;s a Jackson in Yer House&lt;/em&gt; is up next.

My first big inspiration to start playing music.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:28:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eekacat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094098</link>	
		<description>I saw them in the mid=80&apos;s at the UC Davis Coffee House. For me they were incredible live, and it just didn&apos;t come across as well on albums. It was an experience, and you felt like you were a part of the music, not just an audience member. 

The whole Wynton thing was pretty sad, and it especially showed that Wynton just doesn&apos;t get jazz like his brother Branford does. Wynton is an incredible trumpeter, but when he plays jazz he misses a big part of what it&apos;s about. As a classical player, he&apos;s fantastic though, and technically he&apos;s amazingly adept. I don&apos;t know if it&apos;s an issue of ego, but his jazz play lacks that je ne sais quoi that great jazz has.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:58:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kozad</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094102</link>	
		<description>Baptizum.  Wuz that to me.  Sixteen, and never been jazzed.

Gaslight Square; St. Louis, Missouri. 1968, maybe 1969.  Around the corner from radio station KDNA.

A man climbing a stepladder and dropping a huge toy truck into a garbage can.  Lester Bowie kicking open the swing doors and playing out inna hallway and kicking open the jams back into the thee-ay-ter...

And more more more music magick fuck the world musick...

Sgt. Pepper&apos;s blew my mind; The Art Ensemble of Chicago blew off the top of my head.  It took a few decades to understand what they were doing, but, as a teen: Art Ensemble: you saved my sanity.

Seeing them, Cecil Taylor, Mingus, Rahsaan Roland Kirk (many times), Lonnie Liston Smith, Pharoah Sanders (lots), Sun Ra (every chance I got)...live music changed my DNA: I will never need an iPod in this lifetime: these cats were magicians.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:05:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Duck_Lips</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094112</link>	
		<description>back in the 80&apos;s NYS sponsored a &quot;new music tour&quot; with AEoC . I had just started in music production, and had recently lost a ton of money on Branford&apos;s first tour among other shows, and was offered the chance to work on the AEoC dates (along w/ Cecil Taylor and others including record &quot;scratchers&quot; and &quot;samplers&quot; still novel at the time), life changing music. 
I spent hours just listening to Malachi Favors talk, although mad as a hatter, was mesmerizing. Although the best quote of the tour was Cecil&apos;s who turned away the pre-show piano tuner...&quot;too many pianos too much in tune already.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:14:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wolof</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094124</link>	
		<description>Saw them in Melbourne, Ozstralia (in 1979?), and was amazed at how many people didn&apos;t get the screamingly obvious humour.  Nope, they were there for the Art Ensemble &#8212; no laughter permitted, this is Art Music for Art Appreciators.

Nice post, thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:27:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hydrophonic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094172</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Theme de Yoyo...I wish there was a better video, but you should definitely listen.&lt;/em&gt;

Well there&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irJ-Bheobr4&quot;&gt;this video &lt;/a&gt;from a drag show. (nsfw) They don&apos;t really live up to the power of the song, but I give &apos;em credit for trying. 

George Lewis has a history of the Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians coming out soon. It&apos;s called &lt;em&gt;
A Power Stronger Than Itself: The AACM and American Experimental Music&lt;/em&gt; and you can read an interesting review &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/ourtown/080410/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:50:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sleepy pete</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094179</link>	
		<description>Yeah, I liked that video as well, hydrophonic.  Thanks for pointing out the book, I&apos;ll definitely check that out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:02:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flapjax at midnite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094252</link>	
		<description>Thanks for the post, sleepy pete. A really great band. I saw them more or less every chance I had (that&apos;s taking into account how broke I usually was) during the late 70s to mid-80s: must&apos;ve been 7 or 8 times, I guess. And as mentioned above, it was always an &lt;i&gt;event&lt;/i&gt;. Had all their records, and played for several years in a band in Boston that was heavily influenced by them &lt;small&gt;(called &quot;Ensemble Garuda&quot;, which included trumpeter Frank London, now of &lt;i&gt;Klezmatics&lt;/i&gt; fame)&lt;/small&gt;.

The story I heard about Wynton Marsalis and Lester Bowie at Sweet Basil&apos;s was a bit juicier than that related by ornate insect &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2093967&quot;&gt;above&lt;/a&gt;. Years back, I heard (and I&apos;d love it if anyone could verify this) that Marsalis &lt;i&gt;stood up&lt;/i&gt; from his seat, and &lt;i&gt;stayed up&lt;/i&gt;, visible, of course, to everyone onstage as well as everyone in the audience (Sweet Basil&apos;s was a small place) during a tune that Bowie and company were doing, and that Lester said to Marsalis, from the stage &quot;Sit &lt;i&gt;down&lt;/i&gt;, boy.&quot;

Again, anyone who might&apos;ve been there and seen such a thing, and can corroborate this story, please do so!

One other thing about that, though: best as I can recall, I thought it was  the Village Vanguard, not Sweet Basil&apos;s. They&apos;re both small places...</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:44:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094328</link>	
		<description>hydrophonic: Thanks very much for the book link. George Lewis is an incredible trombonist (his 1979 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000010W6/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Homage to Charles Parker&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is one of the all-time greatest jazz records), and he was one of the most important AACM musicians; I can&apos;t wait to see what he has to say about it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:09:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094331</link>	
		<description>Listening to the &quot;live with Cecil Taylor&quot; clip now&amp;mdash;Jesus Christ, that&apos;s some amazing music.  This post is going to keep me going for a while.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:15:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: madamjujujive</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71150/The-Art-Ensemble-of-Chicago#2094430</link>	
		<description>Another awesome post, sleepy pete - thank you!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:57:43 -0800</pubDate>
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