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	<title>Comments on: Humane decision by UK government on Iranian refugee.</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:01:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Humane decision by UK government on Iranian refugee.</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.simonhughes.org.uk/news/000113/decision_that_mehdi_karemi_can_stay__great_news_for_a_very_decent_guy_simon_hughes.html"&gt;Mehdi Kazemi is granted asylum in the UK.&lt;/a&gt; Mehdi, now 20, was studying in the UK when Parham (his boyfriend) was arrested for the crime of homosexuality by the Iranian government. Mehdi was named by his boyfriend and warned he was liable to arrest on his planned return. The UK Home Office denied him asylum [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=7674&quot;&gt;despite a thoughtful campaign by human rights campaigners&lt;/a&gt;] - because it was said he had overstayed his student visa and was therefore not seen as genuinely seeking asylum. So he escaped to the Netherlands. That&apos;s where it gets complicated. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Under &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Convention&quot;&gt;EU asylum rules&lt;/a&gt;, generally someone seeking asylum is required to apply in the member state first entered. That meant, Dutch judges ruled, that he had to return to the UK - and the risk of being deported to the place where he was at risk of losing his life. &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&amp;ct=uk/3-0&amp;fp=4833b898f322847c&amp;ei=ZDUzSM_qG6bgQtnAuLYK&amp;url=http%3A//www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx%3FAFF_TYPE%3D1%26STORY_ID%3D4791%26PUB_TEMPLATE_ID%3D2&amp;cid=0&amp;usg=AFrqEzfcR4eewLMDwNBy8JRpLone_uHPlA&quot;&gt;Mehdi&apos;s  case&lt;/a&gt; has attracted &lt;a href=&quot;http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/20/iran.gay.uk/&quot;&gt;international attention.
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Mehdi was informed that Parham, his boyfriend, was executed in Iran in 2006.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:43:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wilder</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119807</link>	
		<description>Brilliant! Thanks for the post. Good test case, bet it upsets the BNPers though....</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:01:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Banky_Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119808</link>	
		<description>The link has a note saying he was granted leave to stay for 5 years.  Is that typical in the UK?  Does he have to re-apply, or what?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:02:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jabberjaw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119809</link>	
		<description>Every time I think of asylum cases, it reminds me of the inscription on the Statue of Liberty:

&quot;Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:02:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: By The Grace of God</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119818</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.savejojo.net/&quot;&gt;Here&apos;s another similar case going on right now.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:12:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jaduncan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119819</link>	
		<description>I am proud of my country.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:14:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dash_slot-</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119822</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119808&quot;&gt;Banky_Edwards&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;i&gt;The link has a note saying he was granted leave to stay for 5 years.  Is that typical in the UK?  Does he have to re-apply, or what?&lt;/i&gt;

I believe that Leave to remain can be term limited, or discretionary, or unconditional (leading to citizenship). I would expect no change in the basic circumstances (but much change in the UK political environment) in the next 5 years, when he must re-apply. 

My word, I hope he is free and celebrating tonight. Here&apos;s to you, Mehdi.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:15:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: greycap</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119825</link>	
		<description>I see demonstrations about cases like this taking place outside the Home Office most weeks. It is so, so nice to see one where the outcome is positive.

The reason it&apos;s 5 years rather than a permanent right to remain is that the rules for claiming asylum in the UK were very recently changed. Now all asylum cases that are granted get 5 years, then a review at which they may be granted indefinite leave to remain, or at which the leave may run out (for instance if conditions in the home country have changed for the better). It was one of the less noticed of the recent immigration and asylum reforms that also included things like the new points based system for the managed migration side of things.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:21:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: longsleeves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119846</link>	
		<description>If you call acts as barbaric as hanging gay teenagers publicly from construction cranes two and three at a time &quot;executions&quot; It legitimizes these state-perpetrated crimes against humanity.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:35:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dash_slot-</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119891</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119846&quot;&gt;longsleeves&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;i&gt;If you call acts as barbaric as hanging gay teenagers publicly from construction cranes two and three at a time &quot;executions&quot; It legitimizes these state-perpetrated crimes against humanity.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

My sympathies are with you, longsleeves. I use the word &apos;executed&apos; because i) I wanted to avoid editorialisation, and ii) the reality is that the current government, illegitimately elected it is true, is sovereign and defines both crime and punishment in that state. However, murder - child murder, in several cases - more accurately describes the outcome to me.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:17:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: three blind mice</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119910</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Every time I think of asylum cases, it reminds me of the inscription on the Statue of Liberty:&lt;/i&gt;

You never lived in London (or New York), have you? Everytime I think of asylum cases, I wonder if anyone in the Government is doing anything at all. If my eyes do not deceive me, they seem to let everyone and anyone in. 

&lt;i&gt;generally someone seeking asylum is required to apply&lt;/i&gt;

The Dutch judges were correct. It is only in exceptional circumstances where you can avoid this. 

You cannot fault the Home Office for actually following the rules whilst giving Mehdi a pass for not doing so. 

At the end of the day, Mehdi should not have let his time limits expire without making application.  It would seem that he had sufficient grounds. One assumes he is literate. The Home Office must prints forms in every language known to man. The mistake was his, but I am happy the Home Office was able to save him from his own stupidity.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:32:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dash_slot-</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119934</link>	
		<description>Feeling swamped, TBM?

BTW, I haven&apos;t seen the &apos;out of time&apos; reference, what are you saying? That he should have applied before his boyfriend was arrested?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:50:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: athenian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119951</link>	
		<description>I think TBM means he should have applied before his student visa ran out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:14:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: athenian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2119954</link>	
		<description>Oh, and TBM - there were 26,000 applications for asylum in 2007, compared to about half a million legal immigrants. Asylum seeker != people with funny accents in London.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:20:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: srboisvert</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2120018</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;If my eyes do not deceive me, they seem to let everyone and anyone in.&lt;/em&gt;

You&apos;re just jealous because refugees still have their hair after 25.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:51:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hjo3</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2120041</link>	
		<description>Man, Iran sucks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:21:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: longsleeves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2120157</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;My sympathies are with you, longsleeves. I use the word &apos;executed&apos; because i) I wanted to avoid editorialisation, and ii) the reality is that the current government, illegitimately elected it is true, is sovereign and defines both crime and punishment in that state. However, murder - child murder, in several cases - more accurately describes the outcome to me&lt;/em&gt;

I do understand.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:01:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: k8t</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/71823/Humane-decision-by-UK-government-on-Iranian-refugee#2120230</link>	
		<description>Here in Armenia I often talk with young gay people who are interested in seeking asylum. They can&apos;t imagine why the U.S. doesn&apos;t allow asylum to for homosexual status as a threat to personal safety.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:22:00 -0800</pubDate>
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