Comments on: Re-Pet, LLC

Re-Pet, LLC

psmealey — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:18:06 -0800

BestFriendsAgain.com The Best Friends Again program, sponsored by BioArts International, is a limited commercial dog cloning program. BioArts is the only entity in the world with both the know-how and the legal right to practice commercial dog and cat cloning. We are auctioning off 5 dog cloning service slots to the general public. We may or may not perform any additional commercial dog cloning services after this auction.

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:26:54 -0800

With all the strays in the world.... people have invested in this because there is a market of consumers who will pay for the service. Sometimes the market does not seem efficient.

By: brain_drain

brain_drain — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:29:56 -0800

The market is efficient. It's just kind of sad.

By: Ufez Jones

Ufez Jones — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:30:41 -0800

No. Just stop. I love my dog like nobody's business, but there are already far too many other great animals that need loving homes. Even if I had the money, when her time here has passed, I'll go adopt another and then give whatever else I can to the shelter. Put your money and research time into science that matters, asshats.

By: Green Eyed Monster

Green Eyed Monster — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:32:01 -0800

This is just sort of creepy.

By: trueluk

trueluk — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:34:19 -0800

But how else can I make my Patches hypoallergenic?

By: brain_drain

brain_drain — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:36:52 -0800

From yesterday's NYT: If anyone thinks they're going to get Fluffy back," Dr. Lanza said, "they're gravely mistaken." A cloned dog is "likely to be a totally unknown dog, just as if you went to the pound and adopted another, unknown animal."

By: krinklyfig

krinklyfig — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:40:01 -0800

Yeah, exactly, brain_drain. It may be the genetic twin of your pet, but it's not the same animal with the same memory and experiences. It will look the same, but it will be like raising a new pet, and it may end up with an entirely different personality.

By: not applicable

not applicable — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:44:01 -0800

It will look the same, but it will be like raising a new pet, and it may end up with an entirely different personality. Just like Chance and Second Chance.

By: Muttoneer

Muttoneer — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:46:53 -0800

When I was a kid, this was an option I really wanted. Being a little older now, and having recently lost a long-beloved dog, I just find this sad and tragic. I feel like this will be a recourse for desperate, grief-stricken individuals and will end badly both for them and the cloned canine, since the owner will ultimately realize the replacement simply isn't one, and the dog will surely sense it. I may be wrong. I hope I am, but this cannot be good for any sort of mourning process.

By: Mister_A

Mister_A — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:53:06 -0800

This is really old news, my bros and sisses.

By: Flipping_Hades_Terwilliger

Flipping_Hades_Terwilliger — Thu, 22 May 2008 08:56:46 -0800

Muttoneer: exactly. It'd be like Uncanny Valley of the Dogs.

By: abulafa

abulafa — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:00:35 -0800

Pepsi Two?

By: timmins

timmins — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:01:12 -0800

I think I saw on the news that the pricetag is around $100,000. Why not rent a private jet and search the globe for a rescue dog that looks exactly like your previous dog? I bet you'll even arrive home with some change. OR, just save the $100,000 and drive to the local rescue and see what it's like when you took that chance on welcoming the previous dog into your loving home.

By: WCityMike

WCityMike — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:10:33 -0800

And I can enjoy some lovely Pepsi Blue while waiting for the cloning to finish. Do you utilize canned luncheon meat in the process?

By: jmd82

jmd82 — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:11:16 -0800

Put your money and research time into science that matters, asshats. Except that research into animal cloning isn't independent of other, more useful science research.

By: Dave Faris

Dave Faris — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:12:26 -0800

Well, I'd never do it, but there's something to be said for getting a delayed twin of your beloved pet... they'd likely have the same temperment as your old dog, wouldn't they? That said, one black lab fetches just like every other black lab, so, yeah, adopt. This seems more like performance art.

By: yhbc

yhbc — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:13:03 -0800

timmins, yes; the minimum bid is $100,000, which I'll point out by way of actually contributing to the conversation, when what I really wanted to say is that when I clicked on Mister_A's link to Pet Sematary the page loaded an ad for the Meerkat Manor movie that's coming out shortly and multiple identical meerkats started popping up and in the context of both the link and how I got there it really freaked me out.

By: katillathehun

katillathehun — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:20:27 -0800

Wasn't there an episode of This American Life where an older couple cloned their pet bull? And unlike their WAY-too-beloved first bull, Bull v2.0 was a violent bastard who gored one of his owners time and time again. It was heartbreaking to watch them - they were so convinced that the new bull would basically be their old pet in a new body if only they gave him time. And that's sort of the same thing with this. It kind of makes me mad. "What if you could be best friends again?" Well, you won't be. Not with Missy or Spot or Ralph. Missy's genetic blueprint isn't all that made Missy special. People who are hoping for that are going to get their hearts broken all over again. ...And then Missy will EAT THEM. Because the border wasn't meant to be crossed. The land is sour.

By: vorfeed

vorfeed — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:25:26 -0800

A cloned dog is "likely to be a totally unknown dog, just as if you went to the pound and adopted another, unknown animal." Likely to be? Likely to be? That guy should be beaten, allowed to recover, and then beaten again. A cloned dog will be a totally unknown dog, full stop. Temperament has as much to do with experience and training as it does genetics, and the chance that you're going to get both exactly as they were the first time is infinitesimal. And even if you do, the dog will not have any of the memories or knowledge that your old dog did. There ought to be laws against this kind of mealy-mouthed, profit-mongering crap. One interesting thing about pet cloning -- if you clone a calico or tortoiseshell cat, it won't even look the same. The patterns for calicos and torties are determined by X-linked inactivation, which means they occur at random while in the womb... and which also means that any clone of a calico will be made from a cell that's already been X-inactivated. Clones of calicos turn out one color or another, but not calico.

By: unixrat

unixrat — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:29:54 -0800

This is all very sad, but it is only temporary. Future generations will have the common knowledge that genetic clones will be nothing like each other. This will be as common knowledge in the future as how to use a microwave is now. People who are currently cloning their pets are the cavemen who attempted to pick up fire with their bare hands. There is a window of time in new technology where people get it all wrong. These things pass rather quickly.

By: red_lotus

red_lotus — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:34:56 -0800

That's really interesting about the calico cat, vorfeed. Yeah, I agree with everyone here, this is creepy and absurd. I swear my nutty dog breeding relatives are subconsciously trying to create clones through breeding. Buying a purebred is way cheaper than $100,000! I'll keep getting my dogs from the pound, thank you.

By: Burhanistan

Burhanistan — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:43:36 -0800

The last thing we need is more damn yappy dogs around.

By: felix grundy

felix grundy — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:55:48 -0800

T.C. Boyle had a story about this in Harper's last year. Admiral. Unfortunately, you need a subscription to read it, and if you have a subscription, you've probably already heard.

By: concreteforest

concreteforest — Thu, 22 May 2008 10:00:36 -0800

have we learned nothing from futurama?

By: msalt

msalt — Thu, 22 May 2008 10:06:26 -0800

Wasn't there an episode of This American Life where an older couple cloned their pet bull? And unlike their WAY-too-beloved first bull, Bull v2.0 was a violent bastard Yep, that was actually the first episode of their TV show as well as, of course, an earlier radio episode. Heartbreaking stuff, great segment.

By: vorfeed

vorfeed — Thu, 22 May 2008 10:12:31 -0800

That's really interesting about the calico cat, vorfeed. There are photos of a cloned cat with its genetic donor and surrogate mother (both calico) here. The clone is really cute, but is not a calico and looks nothing like either of its mothers. More on cat color genetics is here. It's complicated stuff -- no wonder a single litter of kittens often has so many different patterns! There's even a web page and a free program to help you predict them.

By: kittens for breakfast

kittens for breakfast — Thu, 22 May 2008 10:37:02 -0800

Has Pet Sematary taught us nothing?!

By: Ludi

Ludi — Thu, 22 May 2008 10:57:53 -0800

I've often thought the price you paid for the unconditional love from your pet was the pain and sadness of having them taken away from you after such a short time, relative to your less loving and longer lived humans you are forced to hang around.

By: caution live frogs

caution live frogs — Thu, 22 May 2008 11:11:09 -0800

vorfeed wrote "The clone is really cute" Yeah, it is. But all kittens and puppies tend to be cute. Can't understand why that in itself isn't enough. If you really want this kind of thing, do what my grandpa did: Keep buying the same breed over and over again, giving it the same name every time. Don't know how many wiener dogs he owned in my lifetime, but every one of them was named Fritzie.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Thu, 22 May 2008 11:14:16 -0800

Future generations will have the common knowledge that genetic clones will be nothing like each other. This will be as common knowledge in the future as how to use a microwave is now. Nothing like each other? They will be genetically identical, no? That certainly is a very important likeness. You're overstating your case. A cloned dog's appearance will be very similar to that of the donor animal. And in animals (like dogs) where there's a large genetic component to temperament, there will likely be similarities there, too. I'm of course not talking about learned behaviors, but behavioral tendencies like prey drive and herding behaviors are widely recognized to have a genetic component.

By: tommasz

tommasz — Thu, 22 May 2008 11:30:05 -0800

I personally don't see why people with more money than brains shouldn't be allowed to spend said money on whatever they want. It's not like someone with > $100K to spend on a cloned dog is going to go the pound and pick up a stray, now is it? So what if the clone only looks like their beloved Rex? Sure, they'll be disappointed but they can always clone another one, and another one, and...

By: gorgor_balabala

gorgor_balabala — Thu, 22 May 2008 11:34:56 -0800

pick up your clone at our production facility near Seoul, Korea Hmm, after it spends eight weeks in a country where eating dogs is a matter of course, my clone just miiiiight turn out a little different from the one I weaned myself from its mother. This notwithstanding that I acquire all my dogs - not from the pound, where eugenics are never practiced - but from a reliable breeder who has carefully extracted undesirable traits from it and its relatives over the span of several generations.

By: vorfeed

vorfeed — Thu, 22 May 2008 11:42:24 -0800

This notwithstanding that I acquire all my dogs - not from the pound, where eugenics are never practiced - but from a reliable breeder who has carefully extracted undesirable traits from it and its relatives over the span of several generations. Sure, undesirable traits like functioning hips and the ability to breathe.

By: vorfeed

vorfeed — Thu, 22 May 2008 11:49:34 -0800

Which is not to say that breeding is horrible or anything, but the idea that it's always (or even usually) going to produce a "superior" dog with fewer "undesirable" traits is not necessarily accurate. Several of the most popular breeds have run into major mental and physical health problems in recent years.

By: grubi

grubi — Thu, 22 May 2008 11:52:30 -0800

The market is efficient. No. No, it's not.

By: vorfeed

vorfeed — Thu, 22 May 2008 12:05:40 -0800

vorfeed wrote "The clone is really cute" Yeah, it is. But all kittens and puppies tend to be cute. Can't understand why that in itself isn't enough. I agree. I've had some wonderful pets, but after they're gone you can't bring them back. The best thing you can do is get another, in time, and use the kindness and wisdom the previous one taught you to give it an even better life. If you really want this kind of thing, do what my grandpa did: Keep buying the same breed over and over again, giving it the same name every time. The betta fish on my desk at work is Mr. Fish (IV). I'd feel weird doing this with anything more individual than a fish, though. And even then, Mr. Fish III was head-and-fins over Mr. Fish I, II, and (so far) IV.

By: Mister_A

Mister_A — Thu, 22 May 2008 12:38:52 -0800

...pick up your clone at our production facility near Seoul, Korea... I didn't know they had Indian burial grounds in South Korea.

By: gorgor_balabala

gorgor_balabala — Thu, 22 May 2008 12:40:33 -0800

vorfeed, I would argue the benifits of breeding if it were not a massive derail. The best I can do here is agree that if you're going to spin the wheel on a pound animal anyway (and for many people, that option is fine), this service is truly rubbish.

By: rusty

rusty — Thu, 22 May 2008 13:22:52 -0800

I realize I'm late to the party with my Pet Sematery joke, but I would still like to point out that the soil of a man heart is stonier, Louis.

By: DecemberBoy

DecemberBoy — Thu, 22 May 2008 13:39:00 -0800

have we learned nothing from futurama? Jesus, don't remind me of that. Easily the most needlessly depressing episode of a TV series ever. It was so out-of-character, it was almost like the writers were sadistically fucking with us. The only thing in that episode that was even funny was the magic substance being named "Dolomite". Besides, the Pet Semetary reference was way more apt.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Thu, 22 May 2008 15:01:43 -0800

This is such epic fail.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Thu, 22 May 2008 15:04:11 -0800

Easily the most needlessly depressing episode of a TV series ever. I was watching it for the first time, and I was sitting there like "So this isn't very funny, what gives?" and then it got to the end bit and I was all WHAT THE FUCK MATT? And then I cried. I haven't watched that episode again.

By: DecemberBoy

DecemberBoy — Thu, 22 May 2008 15:30:16 -0800

And then I cried. I haven't watched that episode again. Same here. I'd like to hear an explanation of what they were thinking when they wrote it. The pooch has a brief cameo in Bender's Big Score, so they even thought enough of it to reference it.

By: MrMerlot

MrMerlot — Thu, 22 May 2008 16:37:06 -0800

gorgor_balabala Koreans very rarely eat dogs. Urban Koreans almost certainly never do. Like fox hunting in England, it's carried out by a minority of people in the countryside, to the almost universal revulsion of everyone else

By: Nattie

Nattie — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:03:42 -0800

I cry just thinking of Jurassic Bark. Oh my god. I watched it with my fiance and even HE was teary-eyed at the end. We both started laughing incredulously. Then both of us sputtered some variant of, "What the fuck was THAT?" and little droplets of tears went everywhere. Oh man, my throat is closing up. END COMMENT.

By: Nattie

Nattie — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:08:15 -0800

I'd like to hear an explanation of what they were thinking when they wrote it. Emmy nomination. Not being tongue-in-cheek, I mean I'm pretty sure that's what they were aiming for. They got one, too, but lost out to the Simpsons. I'm sure the writers also appreciated the chance to do something else, too; not trying to say it was pure hunger for fame or anything. Basically, if you look carefully, most seasons of Futurama have that one serious, heart-wrenching episode. None of them come close Jurassic Bark, but yeah. I think the rationale in letting the writers do something like that just once a year was that hey, maybe it'll get an Emmy. Everyone wins.

By: moss

moss — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:22:54 -0800

One evening a couple of years ago, my girlfriend and I had both had pretty rough days, and we were looking for something light and fluffy to cheer us up. "I know!", I said, "we can watch one of the episodes of Futurama I downloaded the other day!" I don't even remember what the original problem was any more. But I remember Jurassic Bark.

By: Ritchie

Ritchie — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:10:18 -0800

Hmm, I have a cat, called Cat. She's about 8 years old, halfway through her cat life. If I clone her now, she'll be able to raise her own replacement (Cat-Squared), and I'll have endless opportunities to guffaw in a low-brow manner at the sight of Cat and Cat-Squared fighting over a patch of sunlight. Even better, when Cat becomes elderly and Cat-Squared reaches maturity, I can get another clone (Cat-Cubed), and have three cats for the price of a single genome. Cat-Cubed will be the best yet, because she will be raised by both Cat and Cat-Squared. And even better, when someone says to me "Oh, you're not one of those pathetic single men with three cats, are you?" I can answer "Just one cat, but I looped it." That'll be handy for rental applications too.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:55:57 -0800

Just name your pet Hitler, then you won't feel bad when it dies.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:03:10 -0800

You know who else was named Hitler?

By: psmealey

psmealey — Fri, 23 May 2008 03:35:25 -0800

I am a big Futurama fan, but I (thankfully) missed that one somehow. Now, having read the Wiki entry for Jurassic Bark, I will never watch that episode.

By: ryanrs

ryanrs — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:33 -0800

That episode had a vicious ending, didn't it? But notice how this very memorable, very sad episode had zero lasting effect on the Futurama world and characters? I imagine that constraint makes it pretty difficult to write a serious episode. "It was just a matter of knowing the secret of all TV shows; At the end of the episode, everything's always right back to normal. — Fry S02E03 psmealey, I think you're missing out on a great episode. You should watch it. Maybe an episode of Futurama can make you cry. That's kind of neat, I think.

By: ryanrs

ryanrs — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:27:48 -0800

"My favourite episode is the one about Fry's dog. It's got the most depressing ending in animated series' history. It makes you want to cry at the end. I was really blown away by that. A lot of people would expect me to say a Bender's episode is my favourite but that's not the case. — John DiMaggio (voice of Bender)