SubscribeStacy: You don't like it? Fine. You know Wayne, if you're not careful, you're going to lose me.Senator MCcain has already started running ads quoting her praise for McCain and dismissal of Obama.
Wayne Campbell: I lost you 2 months ago. We broke up. Are you mental?
"Senator Clinton has earned great respect for his tenacity and courage," McCain said.I'm not really sure how that could get past editors of a major American paper.
Romney beat McCain in Montana.That was four months ago.
He lost the popular voteThat is only true if you count the Michigan votes for her, and zero Michigan votes for him.
I highly doubt obama could win a second termAnother comment
let’s face it he is limping after only 15 months against hillary now…… after 4 years of gaffes and mistakes and taking this
country down a even worse road that Bush, do you all really think,believe we would be stuck with him for 8 years??
I sure as hell dont! and i dont think the repubs or the pundits think that either
that is what all the talk of hillary running again in 2012
I say, we just don’t let him have the first 4 at all !!! FIGHT and VOTE OBAMA OUT!
The GOP is going to destroy Obama, honestly they are going to make him look like he blew up the twin towers himself.Oh this is nice.
OBAMA reading another telepromoted speech and he was not speaking to whiteys.He was speaking to all AA to begin the fight for the cause of black supremacy with no holds barred.He was talking about Recreate68.and yhe need to get ready should he lose this campaign because of Mo and her wildly racist VIDEO.
Keep tuned in folks it is going to be a rough ride if the CHicago mob starts the race fires burning.
ON TO DENVER HILLARY WE WILL MAKE THE JOURNEY WITH YOU AND STAND BY YOU ALL THE WAY
BY ABM90
He lost the popular voteThat is only true if you count the Michigan votes for her, and zero Michigan votes for him."
And he's scared enough, still, about the eventual result in his own party, to have rented a hall in St. Paul tonight, to "claim" victory.You don't get it. That wasn't any rented room in St. Paul- that was the same arena the GOP is using for their convention, and Obama just turned it into a historic event as a matter of fact. He just took over the news coverage of the GOP happy family party (featuring special guests Ron Paul supporters and whichever evangelist McCain can stand near).
FL Deg: We want to hold our primary before everybody elses!He got kicked in the teeth in South Dakota tonight
DNC: We don't think that's best. And if you try it, your delegation won't be part of the nomination process.
FL Deg: Well, we're going to do it anyway!
DNC: Okay. No votes for you. A
FL Deg: Well, we'll vote anyway.
DNC: Fine. Still doesn't count.
HRC: I won in Florida. I want those delegates seated.
BO: I didn't win. Obviously I don't want them seated. And we agreed a few months ago they wouldn't be.
Whiners: OMG Obama Shenanigans! It's HIS fault Florida's votes doesn't count!
BO: OK, how about a compromise where they're seated at half strength?
Whiners: Look how he disenfranchises us!
"He's running on a "change" platform in a country that is, by and large, pretty conservative. You don't see a lot of successful radical politics in the U.S.; the electorate just doesn't tolerate much boat-rocking, in either party. So he has to be fairly careful: people want change, that's very clear, but he has to deliver that change without being divisive and polarizing."As a guy pushing "change," you owe your party, if not the nation, some sweeping demonstration, early on, that your idea of change is warranted, necessary, and in line with the nation's ideas and goals.
I pride myself on being fairly cynical. Like any good child of the 90s, I’ve watched more than my share of Larry David. And I understand the frustrations that Clinton supporters and more hardened, cynical Obama supporters feel when they hear all the naive gushing praise for him — particularly from young people.I've been around this site (in lurkform or active) for 2002, 2004, 2006 and now 2008 and from my perspective this year has been the most civil and substantive. This may be the distortions of memory but 2004 was the pits of ElectionFilter. I'm perfectly fine with political threads and have always been but 2004 was just hideous. 2008 doesn't compare by any means. Well... I suppose we still have five months to catch up, though it'll be that much harder now that ParisParamus has been banished again.
But they need to understand that many of us have never had a moment like this. We’ve never really been inspired — we’ve never “looked up” at candidates in a Paul Fussell “Romantic” sense. Candidates have never been bigger than us — we look down on them, we criticize, we tell dry jokes, we watch the Daily Show. We’re just not that inspired.
But for the first time, a lot of people are inspired. I don’t really remember 1992, and I didn’t exist in 1960. So I don’t know what this feels like. But I’m excited — I’m not in cult-like worship mode, but for the first time in my political life, I’m genuinely excited about the opportunities ahead. Maybe that will prove silly — maybe the proverbial 1968 lies just ahead. For now, though, I’m excited.
But even if 1968 lies ahead, who cares. When you see your teenage children experiencing crushes for the first time, you hopefully don’t call them over and say “these emotions you’re feeling now, they will soon be crushed.” You pat them on the back and wish their doomed enterprise well, and maybe savor a few youthful memories of your own.
And who knows, maybe this time, the good guys will win. Maybe in this version, there is no Nixon -- no 1968. Maybe Mercutio survives. It’s a historic and exciting time — progressivism appears to be in an intellectual revival. The Democrats — having shed its Dixiecrat wing — are poised to command the most progressive majority in American history. And there’s a very real chance that Barack Obama could be leading that majority come next year.
The Clintons are like the Detroit Pistons of the 80s.
Some in the media are declaring the series over because the Boston Celtics have won four of the six games played so far. But I don’t understand why, with a series this close and hotly contested, anyone would want to shut it down before we play a seventh game and have all the results in. As anybody who follows the NBA knows, a seven-game series would be good for the league, and the added competition would make the eventual victor, whomever it might be, a stronger opponent against the Los Angeles Lakers in the Finals.
...
Yes, Boston has won four games and Detroit only two. But it's hard to imagine a more arbitrary and undemocratic way to determine this series’s outcome than "games won." It is, after all, a bedrock value of the game of basketball that all points must be counted. But how can that be the case when every point beyond the winning point is ignored? There are literally dozens of layups, jumpers, free throws, and (yes, even) dunks that our opponents want to say don't count for anything at all. We call on the NBA to do the right thing and fully count all of the baskets that were made throughout the course of this series.
who (the Republican base won't like this) lives in his rich narcotic-thief wife's houses
'While John McCain has a record of occasional independence from his party in the past, last year he chose to embrace 95% of George Bush's agenda, including his failed economic policies and his failed policy in Iraq. No matter how hard he tries to spin it otherwise, that kind of record is simply not the change the American people are looking for or deserve.'"
The insurgent strategy the group devised instead was to virtually cede the most important battlegrounds of the Democratic nomination fight to Clinton, using precision targeting to minimize her delegate hauls, while going all out to crush her in states where Democratic candidates rarely ventured.
The result may have lacked the glamour of a sweep, but last night, with the delegates he picked up in Montana and South Dakota and a flood of superdelegate endorsements, Obama sealed one of the biggest upsets in U.S. political history and became the first Democrat since Jimmy Carter to wrest his party's nomination from the candidate of the party establishment. The surprise was how well his strategy held up -- and how little resistance it met.
Still, these people say, Sen. Clinton is responsible for what one confidant called "grievous mistakes." Those help explain why Sen. Clinton -- the best brand name in Democratic politics, and an early favorite to be the first female nominee in U.S. history -- lost to a relative newcomer who would be the first African-American major-party nominee.The charts make it pretty clear that the Democratic primary has basically been over since February. Also, Obama essentially started his general election campaign against McCain several weeks ago, and would have done better in the late Democratic primaries if he'd contested them more actively.
...
The mistakes boil down to mismanagement, message, mobilization failures and the marital factor.
Some women claim that it is sexist when Hillary is called a 'bitch'.
Did you or did you not agree, along with all the other candidates, not to campaign in Michigan or Florida?
it would be interesting if he would make someone like Condi Rice his running mate.
The thing that really gets me, though, is that we, the audience members, were probably the least-informed about the events and outcomes of the day at that moment. We overheard cellphone conversations while waiting in line, with some reporting that Hillary was conceding, then others disputing that news.I sincerely doubt that you were the least informed.
"Senator Clinton's speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. But she didn't do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to the future reputation of Hillary Clinton as the last year and a half have been....
I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her 'Al Gore moment'
And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due.
Instead 'she left her supporters empty', Obama's angry and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would 'use' her 18 million voters.
But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama's campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat."
So here is a woman who is running for President, with a very real chance of becoming the first female president, and everyone is telling her to quit so the younger, less educated,"Harvard Law School" is "less educated" than "Yale Law School"?
less experienced"Four years as a Senator, eight years as a state legislator, a decade as a professor of Constitutional Law, and several years as a lawyer" is "less experienced" than "Eight years as a Senator, twenty years as a wife, and several years as a lawyer"?
man with less of a chance of winning the general election can have the job.Completely subjective, and I think you're wrong. So do a lot of people. Obviously.
"Obama's shrill and angry reaction to a perceived slight and NBC's gross bias in distorting President Bush's message, only serve to highlight Obama's weakness in foreign policy matters and the fact that the media realize this as well. And we right-wing radical forces didn't even need to pervert any language to do it."*
Teach me to be a better informed voter for the next Presidential election.
What are the major issues for the 2008 presidential race, and what are the best links that support your view of those issues?
I could offer excuses, but I won't. I'm unacceptably uninformed about the presidential hopefuls. Are there any good sites/articles offering summaries, breakdowns and/or analyses of the candidates' views/opinions on key issues? I'm primarily, but not exclusively, interested in the Democratic candidates.
Just out of curiosity, how often do you see white men described as "well spoken?"John McCain
Consider Mr. Dukakis and John Kerry, both serious and sober sons of Massachusetts who enjoyed relatively easy primary races before getting beaten in their respective general elections in 1988 and 2004 by their respective George Bushes. Both could have benefited greatly from tougher early tests. “Tough primaries can give you antibodies,” Mr. Rogers said.The Economist: Why Not Both?
... Mr. Kerry emerged relatively unscathed from his nomination fight, but also largely undefined. “That gave Bush an opening to fill in the blanks,” said Stephanie Cutter, a top communications aide to Mr. Kerry’s campaign. Mr. Bush did just this that spring, Ms. Cutter recalls, by running ads ridiculing Mr. Kerry for his line about supporting a funding provision for Iraq before opposing it. The Kerry campaign had no money to respond, and by the time it did, the damage was done.
By contrast, Mr. Obama is now a better prepared and better defined candidate, and no doubt a stronger one, than he would have been without his rival. He went through 21 debates against a tough opponent, Mrs. Clinton, and improved steadily (with an exception in Philadelphia last month). He has made mistakes, but nothing fatal, and nothing he can’t learn from.
The trouble with this argument is that it overstates the benefits of an Obama-Clinton partnership and understates the costs. Mrs Clinton certainly has genuine appeal to female voters, particularly the older and less educated women who were moved by her tears in New Hampshire and have since been enthused by her dogged determination. But most of these voters are hard-core Democrats who are unlikely to defect to John McCain in November. The Democrats' biggest problem is not with white women but with white men—particularly with white working-class men—who have been drifting to the Republican Party for decades. No less than 62% of white men voted for George Bush in 2004. John McCain, a war hero and man's man, has an obvious appeal to this group; that appeal might prove irresistible if the Democrats pair a black man with a white woman.A roundup of Paul Krugman's columns on health care, one area where there's a significant difference between Obama and Clinton.
"Democrat Barack Obama has asked three people, including Caroline Kennedy, to lead a search for a prospective vice presidential running mate, his campaign said on Wednesday.
Kennedy, daughter of former President John Kennedy, will be joined by former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, who performed the same task for John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984, and former deputy Attorney General Eric Holder."
ABC News' Kate Snow Reports: One of Hillary Clinton’s most loyal backers on Capitol Hill is voicing frustration about the position she has put her supporters in.
In an interview with ABC News, Rep. Charles Rangel said he thinks it is time for Clinton to publicly clarify what she is doing and allow her supporters to switch their allegiance to Barack Obama.
‘Unless she has some good reasons-- which I can’t think of-- I really think we ought to get on with endorsements (of Obama) and dealing with what we have to deal with… so we can move forward,’ Rangel said....
Asked why the Senator told supporters Tuesday night that she needed more time to consider her future, Rangel said: ‘I have no clue.’
...‘The NY congressional delegation encouraged her to run for President. So we feel some obligation to stay with her as long as we can’ to give Clinton some time and space he said.
‘We just have to have a better answer as to why it helps her to victory… as to why we’re not endorsing Obama when the only person left to endorse is Obama.’
‘It’s awkward for us who are known to be her strongest supporters in the NY delegation not to be able to answer the question of how long is it going to take before you can endorse?’ he added later.
Rangel also told ABC News that he does not think the path to the vice presidency should involve a negotiation between Clinton supporters and the Obama campaign.
‘Common sense would dictate if you want to get on the ticket you don't do it by leaning heavily on the person who makes the decision. So I don't think pressure is something that should be used,’ he said.”
FYI, for those expecting to SEE the tape, GET REAL. Read Larry Johnson’s description of what is ON the tape. That is the story.Uh, yeah.
OUR DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN VIOLATED AND WE MUST TAKE THIS TO DENVER FOR JUSTICE TO BE DONE!
WE WILL FIGHT DAY AND NIGHT
WE WILL FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT
WE WILL MARCH UNTIL VICTORY IS IN SIGHT
WE WILL WIN, FOR HILLARY IS OUR GUIDING LIGHT
WITH HILLARY WE ARE ONE VOICE
HILLARY IS THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE
WE THE PEOPLE NOMINATE HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT
YES SHE CAN
YES WE WILL
Clinton Moving to Suspend Campaign and Endorse Obama Friday.Good. But, at this point, I cannot help but think that it's going to essentially be "I endorse Barack Obama, even though I got more votes and am the better candidate and am readier-on-day-one and all eighteen quadrillion of you have said so!"
"We pledged to support her to the end," Representative Charles B. Rangel, a New York Democrat who has been a patron of Mrs. Clinton since she first ran for the Senate, said in an interview "Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is."
I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party's nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise
...
I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.
The fact that the superdelegate vote is flexible in the primary makes choosing to concede quite different.
Further uniting the Democratic Party behind Barack Obama as its nominee, the New York congressional delegation this afternoon came out en masse to declare him their standard bearer and laud Hillary Clinton's planned endorsement of Obama on Saturday.More Signs of Democratic Unity from The Boston Globe. Underlining mine.
"We come here collectively to endorse the decision by our fearless leader," Representative Charlie Rangel told reporters. "We're so proud of her."
"She did the right thing."You left off the fact that she had herself introduced to the crowd as "the Next President of the United States".
No. She didn't. This is more of her just being a power hungry control freak.
At a minimum, the right thing to do would have been to end her campaign and congratulate the winner on Tuesday. Instead she -
- Explicitly refused to admit she had lost.
- Pointedly avoided congradulations.
- Insulted the winner.
- Lied about getting more votes.
- Claimed she was the better choice.
Clintondems.com isn’t just some site by a bunch of Hillary supporters. It is founded by Maggie Williams, Hillary’s indefatigable campaign manager.Markup original. Seriously, this is some sort of joke, right? Sure, the site (which seemingly has been around since last month, domain registered on May 16) lists Williams' email on its about page, but surely that's merely meant as a call to action. I mean:
The goal of this website is to create a place where Democrats that feel the DNC and media have acted in bad faith towards the American people can gather to organize, share insights and have their voices be heard.And we're asked to believe that Williams would consent to her name being attached to a project with this mission.
Decision Center, General Election, Obama & Iraq, and Golf Gear
People close to Clinton said he views the governor's action as a personal betrayal. "I think [Richardson] really owes a big chunk of his success and his career to the Clintons," said an associate who has discussed the matter with the former president and requested anonymity to speak candidly.
"Look," Richardson responded, "I was a successful congressman rescuing hostages before I was appointed. I was a governor afterward, elected on my own."
Pretty much the only time anyone in Obamaland can recall Plouffe betraying real emotion was on a late-night conference call after the crushing loss in New Hampshire. Plouffe methodically laid out the plan for the upcoming states. Then, at a fraction of a decibel louder than his usual gravelly whisper, proclaimed, "Now let's go win this fucking thing."Badass.
Bill Richardson endorsed Obama and the Clinton staffers were shrieking in his ears about 'loyalty'"
One of the interesting things about the Clinton campaign, to me, was her unwillingness to replace her senior advisers and change her approach when things started to not go well for her.
McCain Is Exactly Like BushOh, and one more thing:
McCain Cast 377 Votes in Support of President Bush’s Position, Supported Bush a Majority of the Time
McCain/Bush Friendship Based On Shared Views On Issues
McCain “Steadfast” And “Outspoken” In His Support For War In Iraq
McCain Said “Stay The Course,” Downplayed Violence And Denied Civil War
McCain Supported Bush Escalation, Claimed Success Despite Previous Criticism
McCain’s Reputation Tied To Bush’s Handling Of Iraq
“A Consistent Supporter Of Personal Social Security Accounts”; Helped Sell Bush Overhaul
Flip-Flop On Bush Tax Cuts A “Breathtaking Turnabout”
McCain Supported No Child Left Behind
McCain’s Health Plan Just Like Bush’s Failed Health Plan
McCain Supported Bush Nominees
"President Bush's approval rating is at its lowest level to date. Just 25 percent of Americans approve of the overall job Mr. Bush is doing as President, an all-time low for him and among the lowest approval ratings ever recorded for a President.Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!
Sixty-seven percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing - the highest such figure in CBS News polls since he assumed office." *
Because he's not and has never been tone-deaf.
GO HILLARY! YOU ARE THE BEST!Sorta reads like serial killer rants. I'm kind of glad these folks are no longer in the Democratic base. At least there will be fewer unsolved murders in the aftermath of the convention this time around.
18,000,000 of us our with you until you are our President.
Please keep fighting for us! We will fight for you!
by ABG at 6/7/2008 12:24:51 PM
[Login or Create Account to Reply]
*
HILLARY WE ARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY...
BUT WE WILL NOT VOTE BO...
by Vel at 6/7/2008 12:33:04 PM
[Login or Create Account to Reply]
o
Hillary..........................................
We support you FOREVER!!!
BUT we will NEVER support BO!!! He doesn't deserve it! He stole it!!! NEVER means NEVER!!!
Also, we will FOREVER remember what BO, his nasty supporters, MSM, & the UNdemocratic DNC did in this election.
McCain 08!!!
Hillary 2012!!!
by People at 6/7/2008 1:33:08 PM
[Login or Create Account to Reply]
+
Standing Together
Stand together
Are you ready to Unite
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2595
I Love Hillary - I will work for you
"On top of that, his personal life was a mess: Although he was still living with his wife, he was aggressively courting a 25-year-old woman who was as beautiful as she was rich....For a candidate running on character and biography, it is also an awkward time to remember: Mr. McCain abandoned his wife, who had reared their three children while he was in Vietnamese prisons, and he then began his political career with the resources of his new wife's family." *
--------------------------
"'You had an affair during your first marriage,' CNN's Bernard Shaw said to the Arizona senator. 'The sitting president is being impeached for his conduct with Monica Lewinsky. Should a politician's private acts be part of public discourse?'
'Let me say that I am responsible for the breakup of my first marriage,' McCain replied. 'I will not discuss or talk about that any more than that. If someone wants to criticize me for that, that's fine.'"*
[Presidential wannabe] McCain: 'The Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.'
When the war was over and the victory over our enemies won, and the blessings and happiness of liberty and peace were secured, the Constitution was framed and God was neglected. He was not merely forgotten. He was absolutely voted out of the Constitution. The proceedings, as published by Thompson, the secretary, and the history of the day, show that the question was gravely debated whether God should be in the Constitution or not, and after a solemn debate he was deliberately voted out of it...-- Reverend Bird Wilson
Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.-- Thomas Jefferson
I marched for women's rights, helped found the first feminist group in Cambridge, and like some of you, danced for joy when Geraldine Ferraro was nominated for vice president.
But I also grew up in an era when an African-American president was an impossibility, when African-Americans in the South were shot for having the temerity to vote. I worked for civil rights, registered black voters. Later, I witnessed busing in Boston, where angry white mobs stoned school buses filled with terrified black children, where people of color were never in power.
I get it.
...[But] let me get this straight; you consider yourself a Democrat and a feminist. Yet rather than vote for a man who supports a woman's right to choose, children's healthcare, and an end to the war in Iraq, you would vote for a man who voted against all of these things.
You would vote for a man who is promising to nominate far-right activists for the Supreme Court, a man who votes consistently against choice, affirmative action, and workers' rights.
You would vote for a man who supports President Bush on most major issues vs. a man whose positions are quite similar to Clinton's.
I just don't get it.
"For the second time this week, Fox News Channel was driven to respond to criticism over on-air statements about Barack Obama, in this case for screen text that described the Democratic presidential candidate's wife as 'Obama's baby mama.' The term is often applied pejoratively to unwed mothers.
...The phrase baby mama or baby mother is Caribbean in origin, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, which defines it as 'the mother of a man's child, who is not his wife nor (in most cases) his current or exclusive partner.' It has gained wider currency in recent years through use in hip-hop lyrics and celebrity magazines.
...Among friends, 'baby mama' could be construed as friendly or a joke, according to Bakari Kitwana, an artist in residence at the University of Chicago who has written about the phrase in his book "The Hip Hop Generation." But he says its use to describe the wife of a presidential candidate is disrespectful.
'Michelle Obama is not Fox News's homegirl,' Mr. Kitwana said. 'You're taking something out of its culture and political context.'"
Barack Obama's skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.
Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by FORKLIFT.
Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are AWESOME.
« Older Big Buck Bunny... | You know the feeling that some... Newer »
This thread has been archived and is closed to new comments
posted by danb at 8:22 PM on June 3, 2008 [2 favorites]