SubscribeStacy: You don't like it? Fine. You know Wayne, if you're not careful, you're going to lose me.Senator MCcain has already started running ads quoting her praise for McCain and dismissal of Obama.
Wayne Campbell: I lost you 2 months ago. We broke up. Are you mental?
"Senator Clinton has earned great respect for his tenacity and courage," McCain said.I'm not really sure how that could get past editors of a major American paper.
Romney beat McCain in Montana.That was four months ago.
He lost the popular voteThat is only true if you count the Michigan votes for her, and zero Michigan votes for him.
I highly doubt obama could win a second termAnother comment
let’s face it he is limping after only 15 months against hillary now…… after 4 years of gaffes and mistakes and taking this
country down a even worse road that Bush, do you all really think,believe we would be stuck with him for 8 years??
I sure as hell dont! and i dont think the repubs or the pundits think that either
that is what all the talk of hillary running again in 2012
I say, we just don’t let him have the first 4 at all !!! FIGHT and VOTE OBAMA OUT!
The GOP is going to destroy Obama, honestly they are going to make him look like he blew up the twin towers himself.Oh this is nice.
OBAMA reading another telepromoted speech and he was not speaking to whiteys.He was speaking to all AA to begin the fight for the cause of black supremacy with no holds barred.He was talking about Recreate68.and yhe need to get ready should he lose this campaign because of Mo and her wildly racist VIDEO.
Keep tuned in folks it is going to be a rough ride if the CHicago mob starts the race fires burning.
ON TO DENVER HILLARY WE WILL MAKE THE JOURNEY WITH YOU AND STAND BY YOU ALL THE WAY
BY ABM90
He lost the popular voteThat is only true if you count the Michigan votes for her, and zero Michigan votes for him."
And he's scared enough, still, about the eventual result in his own party, to have rented a hall in St. Paul tonight, to "claim" victory.You don't get it. That wasn't any rented room in St. Paul- that was the same arena the GOP is using for their convention, and Obama just turned it into a historic event as a matter of fact. He just took over the news coverage of the GOP happy family party (featuring special guests Ron Paul supporters and whichever evangelist McCain can stand near).
FL Deg: We want to hold our primary before everybody elses!He got kicked in the teeth in South Dakota tonight
DNC: We don't think that's best. And if you try it, your delegation won't be part of the nomination process.
FL Deg: Well, we're going to do it anyway!
DNC: Okay. No votes for you. A
FL Deg: Well, we'll vote anyway.
DNC: Fine. Still doesn't count.
HRC: I won in Florida. I want those delegates seated.
BO: I didn't win. Obviously I don't want them seated. And we agreed a few months ago they wouldn't be.
Whiners: OMG Obama Shenanigans! It's HIS fault Florida's votes doesn't count!
BO: OK, how about a compromise where they're seated at half strength?
Whiners: Look how he disenfranchises us!
"He's running on a "change" platform in a country that is, by and large, pretty conservative. You don't see a lot of successful radical politics in the U.S.; the electorate just doesn't tolerate much boat-rocking, in either party. So he has to be fairly careful: people want change, that's very clear, but he has to deliver that change without being divisive and polarizing."As a guy pushing "change," you owe your party, if not the nation, some sweeping demonstration, early on, that your idea of change is warranted, necessary, and in line with the nation's ideas and goals.
I pride myself on being fairly cynical. Like any good child of the 90s, I’ve watched more than my share of Larry David. And I understand the frustrations that Clinton supporters and more hardened, cynical Obama supporters feel when they hear all the naive gushing praise for him — particularly from young people.I've been around this site (in lurkform or active) for 2002, 2004, 2006 and now 2008 and from my perspective this year has been the most civil and substantive. This may be the distortions of memory but 2004 was the pits of ElectionFilter. I'm perfectly fine with political threads and have always been but 2004 was just hideous. 2008 doesn't compare by any means. Well... I suppose we still have five months to catch up, though it'll be that much harder now that ParisParamus has been banished again.
But they need to understand that many of us have never had a moment like this. We’ve never really been inspired — we’ve never “looked up” at candidates in a Paul Fussell “Romantic” sense. Candidates have never been bigger than us — we look down on them, we criticize, we tell dry jokes, we watch the Daily Show. We’re just not that inspired.
But for the first time, a lot of people are inspired. I don’t really remember 1992, and I didn’t exist in 1960. So I don’t know what this feels like. But I’m excited — I’m not in cult-like worship mode, but for the first time in my political life, I’m genuinely excited about the opportunities ahead. Maybe that will prove silly — maybe the proverbial 1968 lies just ahead. For now, though, I’m excited.
But even if 1968 lies ahead, who cares. When you see your teenage children experiencing crushes for the first time, you hopefully don’t call them over and say “these emotions you’re feeling now, they will soon be crushed.” You pat them on the back and wish their doomed enterprise well, and maybe savor a few youthful memories of your own.
And who knows, maybe this time, the good guys will win. Maybe in this version, there is no Nixon -- no 1968. Maybe Mercutio survives. It’s a historic and exciting time — progressivism appears to be in an intellectual revival. The Democrats — having shed its Dixiecrat wing — are poised to command the most progressive majority in American history. And there’s a very real chance that Barack Obama could be leading that majority come next year.
The Clintons are like the Detroit Pistons of the 80s.
Some in the media are declaring the series over because the Boston Celtics have won four of the six games played so far. But I don’t understand why, with a series this close and hotly contested, anyone would want to shut it down before we play a seventh game and have all the results in. As anybody who follows the NBA knows, a seven-game series would be good for the league, and the added competition would make the eventual victor, whomever it might be, a stronger opponent against the Los Angeles Lakers in the Finals.
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Yes, Boston has won four games and Detroit only two. But it's hard to imagine a more arbitrary and undemocratic way to determine this series’s outcome than "games won." It is, after all, a bedrock value of the game of basketball that all points must be counted. But how can that be the case when every point beyond the winning point is ignored? There are literally dozens of layups, jumpers, free throws, and (yes, even) dunks that our opponents want to say don't count for anything at all. We call on the NBA to do the right thing and fully count all of the baskets that were made throughout the course of this series.
who (the Republican base won't like this) lives in his rich narcotic-thief wife's houses
'While John McCain has a record of occasional independence from his party in the past, last year he chose to embrace 95% of George Bush's agenda, including his failed economic policies and his failed policy in Iraq. No matter how hard he tries to spin it otherwise, that kind of record is simply not the change the American people are looking for or deserve.'"
The insurgent strategy the group devised instead was to virtually cede the most important battlegrounds of the Democratic nomination fight to Clinton, using precision targeting to minimize her delegate hauls, while going all out to crush her in states where Democratic candidates rarely ventured.
The result may have lacked the glamour of a sweep, but last night, with the delegates he picked up in Montana and South Dakota and a flood of superdelegate endorsements, Obama sealed one of the biggest upsets in U.S. political history and became the first Democrat since Jimmy Carter to wrest his party's nomination from the candidate of the party establishment. The surprise was how well his strategy held up -- and how little resistance it met.
Still, these people say, Sen. Clinton is responsible for what one confidant called "grievous mistakes." Those help explain why Sen. Clinton -- the best brand name in Democratic politics, and an early favorite to be the first female nominee in U.S. history -- lost to a relative newcomer who would be the first African-American major-party nominee.The charts make it pretty clear that the Democratic primary has basically been over since February. Also, Obama essentially started his general election campaign against McCain several weeks ago, and would have done better in the late Democratic primaries if he'd contested them more actively.
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The mistakes boil down to mismanagement, message, mobilization failures and the marital factor.
Some women claim that it is sexist when Hillary is called a 'bitch'.
Did you or did you not agree, along with all the other candidates, not to campaign in Michigan or Florida?
it would be interesting if he would make someone like Condi Rice his running mate.
The thing that really gets me, though, is that we, the audience members, were probably the least-informed about the events and outcomes of the day at that moment. We overheard cellphone conversations while waiting in line, with some reporting that Hillary was conceding, then others disputing that news.I sincerely doubt that you were the least informed.
"Senator Clinton's speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. But she didn't do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to the future reputation of Hillary Clinton as the last year and a half have been....
I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her 'Al Gore moment'
And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due.
Instead 'she left her supporters empty', Obama's angry and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would 'use' her 18 million voters.
But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama's campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat."
So here is a woman who is running for President, with a very real chance of becoming the first female president, and everyone is telling her to quit so the younger, less educated,"Harvard Law School" is "less educated" than "Yale Law School"?
less experienced"Four years as a Senator, eight years as a state legislator, a decade as a professor of Constitutional Law, and several years as a lawyer" is "less experienced" than "Eight years as a Senator, twenty years as a wife, and several years as a lawyer"?
man with less of a chance of winning the general election can have the job.Completely subjective, and I think you're wrong. So do a lot of people. Obviously.
"Obama's shrill and angry reaction to a perceived slight and NBC's gross bias in distorting President Bush's message, only serve to highlight Obama's weakness in foreign policy matters and the fact that the media realize this as well. And we right-wing radical forces didn't even need to pervert any language to do it."*
Teach me to be a better informed voter for the next Presidential election.
What are the major issues for the 2008 presidential race, and what are the best links that support your view of those issues?
I could offer excuses, but I won't. I'm unacceptably uninformed about the presidential hopefuls. Are there any good sites/articles offering summaries, breakdowns and/or analyses of the candidates' views/opinions on key issues? I'm primarily, but not exclusively, interested in the Democratic candidates.
Just out of curiosity, how often do you see white men described as "well spoken?"John McCain
Consider Mr. Dukakis and John Kerry, both serious and sober sons of Massachusetts who enjoyed relatively easy primary races before getting beaten in their respective general elections in 1988 and 2004 by their respective George Bushes. Both could have benefited greatly from tougher early tests. “Tough primaries can give you antibodies,” Mr. Rogers said.
... Mr. Kerry emerged relatively unscathed from his nomination fight, but also largely undefined. “That gave Bush an opening to fill in the blanks,” said Stephanie Cutter, a top communications aide to Mr. Kerry’s campaign. Mr. Bush did just this that spring, Ms. Cutter recalls, by running ads ridiculing Mr. Kerry for his line about supporting a funding provision for Ira
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