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	<title>Comments on: &#40165;&#25417;&#39770; bird catch fish</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:42:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>&#40165;&#25417;&#39770; bird catch fish</title>
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		<description>For over a thousand years, fishermen all over the world have been using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.answers.com/topic/cormorant&quot;&gt;cormorants&lt;/a&gt; to help them fish in lakes and rivers. In Gifu, Gifu Prefecture, Japan, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phototravels.net/japan/ukai-cormorant-fishing.html&quot;&gt;cormorant fishing&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDMqJl8zaZ4&quot;&gt;Nagara river&lt;/a&gt; has continued uninterrupted for the past 1,300 years. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-lDDeXxakU &quot;&gt;Guilin&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDDrz7E8-AA&quot;&gt;Yangshuo&lt;/a&gt;, China, cormorant birds are famous for fishing on the shallow &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7l6Pe0CKsg &quot;&gt;Lijiang River&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beaver_island.png&quot;&gt;The islands of the Beaver Island archipelago in Northern Lake Michigan&lt;/a&gt; host what may be the densest concentration of the big, black diving birds on the continent, an estimated 50,000 that eat about 9 million pounds of fish from the surrounding waters from spring through fall. Fishermen and tourism interests want the state and federal governments to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080615/SPORTS10/806150597&quot;&gt;cut the number of double-crested cormorants around the Beaver Island group by half&lt;/a&gt;, raising the ire of bird lovers and animal-rights activists who say the cormorants aren&apos;t at the root of the problem.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:11:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mrducts</dc:creator>		<category>fishing</category>		<category>cormorants</category>		<category>china</category>		<category>japan</category>		<category>lake</category>		<category>michigan</category>		<category>beaverisland</category>		<category>lijiang</category>		<category>river</category>		<category>nagara</category>		<category>gifu</category>		<category>guilin</category>		<category>yangshuo</category>
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		<title>By: 5MeoCMP</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168562</link>	
		<description>Fascinating! How many other animal-assisted hunting/fishing traditions are there?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:42:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168566</link>	
		<description>That photo of the cormorant nesting area in Upper Michigan, in the &quot;cut the number&quot; link&quot;, is astonishing. It looks post-bomb Hiroshima.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:45:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Parallax.Error</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168568</link>	
		<description>I worked in Seattle with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://pugetsound.org/&quot;&gt;local environmental non-profit&lt;/a&gt; for a while earlier this year.  Sometimes, when I see stuff like this, I wonder if humanity itself is the next great market failure.  DDT kills the birds so we stop producing DDT, but now the birds overproduce and there are no fish.  Ecosystems are vast and complex places.  I think they are too vast and too complex to be understood by us mortals.  But then I see evidence that we can restore our planet to health &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecologicalrestoration.info/253.asp&quot;&gt;intelligently&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:46:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Light Fantastic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168590</link>	
		<description>I see cormorants every day...hmmmm...metal ring + leash + torch = Profit!!!!!!!

Now if I can just get those damn Berkeley liberals to go along with my plan.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:02:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168702</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fascinating! How many other animal-assisted hunting/fishing traditions are there?&lt;/i&gt;

Some use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techgnosis.com/chunks.php?cat=watching&amp;sec=journal&amp;file=chunkfrom-2007-05-12-1205-0.txt&quot;&gt;eagles&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:45:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: caddis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168722</link>	
		<description>I highly recommend Beaver Island as a get away from it all vacation destination.  It&apos;s the land that time forgot, but I guess the Cormorants didn&apos;t.  That is eerie.  For Beaver Island this is one more very odd event in a strange history, which includes a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Strang#Coronation_and_troubled_reign_on_Beaver_Island&quot;&gt;Mormon Kingdom&lt;/a&gt; led by James Strang.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:47:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jack_mo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168736</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;How many other animal-assisted hunting/fishing traditions are there?&lt;/i&gt;

I&apos;m having trouble thinking of a hunting tradition that &lt;i&gt;isn&apos;t&lt;/i&gt; animal assisted - can you even go hunting without a retriever, terrier, setter, pointer, flusher or some other specially-bred and trained dog (or a pack of them, if you&apos;re after a fox for kicks)?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:25:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: biffa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168754</link>	
		<description>Lots of fishing isn&apos;t animal assisted, though obviously some involves drowning worms.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:52:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zaelic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168762</link>	
		<description>Cormorants are a big problem in Europe, where the are not native to inland and mountain water systems. They have been migrating inland to settle on reservoirs, and from there they have the nasty habit of cleaning every native trout out of the streams, and then going to work on eating out the trout hatcheries. A pair of cormorants can clean out a hatchery in a month. British anglers are pretty ticked off. In Slovakia, where I fish, cormorants are not labeled a game bird and can&apos;t be legally hunted, although locals occaisionally try to cull the growing flocks. 

I don&apos;t like these birds. At all. These are bad birds! &lt;em&gt;Bad Birds!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:26:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: biffa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168851</link>	
		<description>I have a number of cormorants right in front of my house (on a harbour) at different times of year, and I&apos;ve always liked them. I&apos;m a little confused by the suggestion they&apos;re not native, if they can fly somewhere and establish themselves then that seems a pretty natural expansion to me.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:07:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cantdosleepy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168908</link>	
		<description>I used to live in a village in Mie Prefecture not far from a town called Ugata, which means &apos;Way/path of the Cormorant&apos;.

Great post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:07:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spicynuts</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2168986</link>	
		<description>Anthony Bourdain went out with a cormorant fisherman on his Indonesia show I think.  Or the Shanghai show.  Not sure.  Anyway it was pretty damn cool.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:27:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: salvia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/72975/ċIZ-bird-catch-fish#2169187</link>	
		<description>The cormorants should ask the &lt;a href=&quot;http://friendsofanimals.org/news/2007/april/wolves-elk-the-overr.html&quot;&gt;wolves&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bakercityherald.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=4223&quot;&gt;cougars&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&amp;cpsidt=3222575&quot;&gt;seals&lt;/a&gt; about this one. Predators who eat food or kill trophy game that humans want themselves soon get targeted.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:02:56 -0800</pubDate>
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