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	<title>Comments on: Found You</title>
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	<description>Comments on MetaFilter post Found You</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:27:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Found You</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You</link>	
		<description>Seemingly, customer service isn&apos;t what it used to be, if you can even find them. Well, no more hiding. Enter &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hardtofind800numbers.com/&quot;&gt;Hard to Find 800 Numbers&lt;/a&gt;, an alphabetic list that eliminates the scramble for contact information. Waiting on hold for customer service or tech support is painful enough.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:02:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>netbros</dc:creator>		<category>help</category>		<category>customerservice</category>		<category>techsupport</category>		<category>800numbers</category>
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		<title>By: HuronBob</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207659</link>	
		<description>Sure, but where is the number for MetaFilter?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:27:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HuronBob</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: BeerFilter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207661</link>	
		<description>1-800-PANCAKE</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:32:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BeerFilter</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207662</link>	
		<description>This is so useful and yet so boring.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:35:20 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>smackfu</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mister_A</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207667</link>	
		<description>MetaFilter: So useful and yet so boring.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:41:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mister_A</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: krautland</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207671</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207659&quot;&gt;HuronBob&lt;/a&gt;: according to the whois entry, it&apos;s (503) 616-2680. 

then again -- I have given fake numbers to all sorts of people, so if you end up calling the incontinence hotline...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:47:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>krautland</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: weapons-grade pandemonium</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207679</link>	
		<description>Yeah. That really pisses me off.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:00:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>weapons-grade pandemonium</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: HuronBob</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207696</link>	
		<description>&quot;the incontinence hotline...&quot;


actually, if you have that number...I&apos;m getting a bit older, it might be useful...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:25:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>HuronBob</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: BitterOldPunk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207710</link>	
		<description>How to get a real person on a 1-800 call:

Immediately begin cursing angrily into the phone. Use the word &quot;fuck&quot; a lot. Do not press any buttons. Most modern voice-recognition systems detect angry callers and automatically route them to a live service queue.

If this doesn&apos;t work, you at least have the consolation of having cussed out the voice-mail robot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:30:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BitterOldPunk</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ekstasis23</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207713</link>	
		<description>The Consumerist also &lt;a href=&quot;http://consumerist.com/tag/phone-numbers/&quot;&gt;has a stash&lt;/a&gt; of Executive Customer Service contact information.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:31:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ekstasis23</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lalochezia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207733</link>	
		<description>Pony request: A link to the whole list, cached?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:44:57 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lalochezia</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ericb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207738</link>	
		<description>I also use&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gethuman.com/&quot;&gt; gethuman.com&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:46:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ericb</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: DU</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207742</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Immediately begin cursing angrily into the phone. Use the word &quot;fuck&quot; a lot. Do not press any buttons. Most modern voice-recognition systems detect angry callers and automatically route them to a live service queue.&lt;/i&gt;

I&apos;m having trouble believing this.  Are you aware that a lot of phone systems default to a general service queue when the caller doesn&apos;t choose any options?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:49:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DU</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ryanrs</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207748</link>	
		<description>Yeah, no touch tones = rotary phone.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:54:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BitterOldPunk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207786</link>	
		<description>You&apos;re right, DU, that no input results in flipping the call to the default queue in many cases. But &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6411687/description.html&quot;&gt;the technology exists&lt;/a&gt; and while it isn&apos;t implemented everywhere, it&apos;s getting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/23/080623fa_fact_seabrook?currentPage=all&quot;&gt;more and more common&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:22:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: weapons-grade pandemonium</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207790</link>	
		<description>I want the home phone number of the sadistic technician who designed the options that cycle me around in an endless loop, taunting me with the prospect of speaking with a real person but never allowing that. Anyone have that number?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:28:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>weapons-grade pandemonium</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: milarepa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207802</link>	
		<description>I can confirm that I have been transferred directly to an operator by saying the word &quot;fuck&quot; and that was after being told by the automated phone system that &quot;operator&quot; was not a valid option.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:37:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ryoshu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207843</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I can confirm that I have been transferred directly to an operator by saying the word &quot;fuck&quot; and that was after being told by the automated phone system that &quot;operator&quot; was not a valid option.&lt;/em&gt;

Hitting &quot;0&quot; repeatedly usually works once you get past the language selection menu.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:19:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: R. Mutt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207849</link>	
		<description>Finding Comcast&apos;s phone number has never been the problem.  The problem is that they just don&apos;t give a shit.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:23:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>R. Mutt</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: odinsdream</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207861</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Immediately begin cursing angrily into the phone. Use the word &quot;fuck&quot; a lot. Do not press any buttons. Most modern voice-recognition systems detect angry callers and automatically route them to a live service queue.&lt;/em&gt;

This is unnecessary. Most systems will route you to an operator if you simply don&apos;t provide answers that meet their scripted options. Some systems (like Verizon and Duke Energy, for instance) will directly respond to you saying &quot;operator&quot; by either transferring you right away, or saying something amusing like &quot;Ok. I&apos;ll be glad to connect you with an operator. First, let&apos;s try to narrow your request. You can say account info, billing, or technical support.&quot; repeat operator, &quot;Ok. I&apos;m transferring you to an operator.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:40:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: abulafa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207898</link>	
		<description>Seconding Comcast and Time Warner Cable ultimately building a system designed to thwart your attempt to talk to who you need to talk to.

Anecdote: once I was calling TWC to protest my cable being turned off due to an &quot;unpaid bill&quot; which I had records saying I&apos;d paid. If I called from my registered telephone number, the system detected that fact and routed me only and exclusively to their pay-by-phone system which has no operator option, no amount of pressing 0 or other tactics would get me a human or even to the top-level menu. I had to call from a *different phone* in order to eventually make my way to a human who, irony of ironies, was *extremely* helpful and apologetic and fixed my problem thoroughly and completely. Fuck. Time. Warner. Forever.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:02:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>abulafa</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: BitterOldPunk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207928</link>	
		<description>Well, sure. Hollering &quot;fuck&quot; is totally unnecessary and in most cases simply saying &quot;agent&quot; or &quot;operator&quot; will do.

But it&apos;s much more satisfying to yell &quot;fuck&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:27:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BitterOldPunk</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: blucevalo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207953</link>	
		<description>The amusing/condescendingly pleasantry-dispensing automated systems are even more infuriating than the robotic ones. I would rather have a robotic system and the satisfaction that I am indeed dealing with a non-human entity. On the other hand, at least the automated systems are semi-coherent, whereas the human operators are seldom anything but worthless.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:45:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr-Baa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2207994</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;But it&apos;s much more satisfying to yell &quot;fuck&quot;.&lt;/em&gt;
posted by &lt;strong&gt;BitterOldPunk 
&lt;/strong&gt;

Eponysawwwwright</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:32:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr-Baa</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kirkaracha</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2208021</link>	
		<description>I hate to break it to you, but your call is actually not very important to them.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:53:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JHarris</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2208305</link>	
		<description>Can I ask a stupid question?  Why do they even HAVE 800 numbers if they don&apos;t advertise their existence?  I&apos;m imagining a huge customer service phone bank sitting around twiddling their thumbs because no one knows the number to reach them....</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:10:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JHarris</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ericb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2208385</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Can I ask a stupid question? Why do they even HAVE 800 numbers if they don&apos;t advertise their existence? &lt;/em&gt;

Because many companies (e.g. Amazon) today prefer that consumers contact them via e-mail. Such interactions cost less than &quot;live&quot; telephone interactions.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:54:53 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ericb</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2208408</link>	
		<description>Yeah, and if you don&apos;t want people to call your secret customer service number, why do you even have it?

Companies that really don&apos;t want calls make their customer service numbers toll lines, and then put you on hold for 30 minutes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:24:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JHarris</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2208503</link>	
		<description>ericb, to paraphrase Dr. Strangelove, the entire point of such a number is lost &lt;i&gt;if you keep it a secret.&lt;/i&gt;

Is it some federal regulation that requires a toll-free CS number, but they don&apos;t have to tell anyone about it?  Does it look good on a stockholder report or something?  Is it something they only tell to very special customers?  Is it a subtle way of paying off well-liked employees to give them a job where they purposely try to give them little to do?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:15:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JHarris</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2208515</link>	
		<description>Amazon used to be the poster child for not having a phone # listed, but now it&apos;s pretty clearly posted.  Help &amp;gt; Contact Us &amp;gt; Phone.  They do want to call you, rather than you calling them at an 800 #, but my hunch is that&apos;s due to the cost of toll-free lines, especially when someone is just sitting on hold costing them money.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:24:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>smackfu</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ziggy Zaga</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73822/Found-You#2208861</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can I ask a stupid question? Why do they even HAVE 800 numbers if they don&apos;t advertise their existence? I&apos;m imagining a huge customer service phone bank sitting around twiddling their thumbs because no one knows the number to reach them....
posted by JHarris at 3:10 PM on August 4 &lt;/i&gt;

a lot of companies, especially financial institutions, outsource their customer service to third-party call centers.  some of these places handle customer service for multiple (related) companies.  my guess is that the fewer people know about the customer service number, the fewer people they have to hire to field calls.  hold times are already bad enough for those of us resourceful enough to find the number in the first place.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:08:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ziggy Zaga</dc:creator>
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