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	<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:14:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Library of Dust</title>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidmaisel.com/works/picture.asp?cat=lod&amp;tl=library%20of%20dust&quot;&gt;Library of Dust&lt;/a&gt; depicts individual copper canisters, each containing the cremated remains of patient from a state-run psychiatric hospital. The patients died at the hospital between 1883 (the year the facility opened, when it was called the Oregon State Insane Asylum) and the 1970&apos;s; their bodies have remained unclaimed by their families.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:39:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>oneirodynia</dc:creator>		<category>davidmaisel</category>		<category>maisel</category>		<category>photography</category>		<category>photographs</category>		<category>cremation</category>		<category>remains</category>		<category>libraryofdust</category>		<category>dust</category>
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		<title>By: arcanecrowbar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208672</link>	
		<description>Beautiful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:14:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hello Dad, I&apos;m in Jail</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208699</link>	
		<description>Looks like bronze or stainless might have been a better choice of metals.  Or maybe polypropylene.

His next set of photos, Oblivion, gives me the heebida jeebies.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:01:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hello Dad, I&apos;m in Jail</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: cmoj</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208702</link>	
		<description>Copper was cheapest, though.
Good photography.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:04:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208711</link>	
		<description>Wow.  Thanks for posting this.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:22:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208745</link>	
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Some images speak of treatments that no longer are practiced in the treatment of the mentally ill. Other pictures, like that of the razor blades strewn across the floor and the pages of a Reader&apos;s Digest Magazine, suggest the depths of pain or desperation these rooms once contained.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Man, does that dude ever hate Reader&apos;s Digest.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:15:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fairmettle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208762</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;...their bodies have remained unclaimed by their families.&lt;/i&gt;

How does that compare to the people alive today with severe mental illness who remain unclaimed by their families?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:40:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phanx</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208789</link>	
		<description>You know, I think when cremation was introduced the idea should have been that it disposes of the corpse completely, instead of the idea being that the ashes, or remains, are still the body and need to be buried or scattered. Too late now.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:40:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tellurian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208865</link>	
		<description>Those tins look quite small. They must have had a good &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cremate-me.net/images/bonessintocremu.jpg&quot;&gt;crembola&lt;/a&gt; unless they did it by hand. The earliest reference I can find to equipment is &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com.au/books?id=-DN6KqKI3YEC&amp;pg=PA135&amp;lpg=PA135&amp;dq=%22first+cremation%22%2Bequipment&amp;source=web&amp;ots=LBnOlZzb1G&amp;sig=E6MKFjE2BqBUqEcOTFM3xIuT_zU&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ct=result#PPA43,M1&quot;&gt;1959&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;[paging &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/username/coldchef&quot;&gt;ColdChef&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/small&gt;.
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Matter lives on when the body vanishes, even when it has been incinerated to ash by an institutional methodology. Is it possible that some form of spirit lives on as well?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
I think not. Is he saying that the corporeal existence is manifesting itself in the condition of the containers? 
He has already answered this: &lt;i&gt;&quot;There are certainly physical and chemical explanations for the ways these canisters have transformed over time.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:12:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: echo target</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2208905</link>	
		<description>This is likely not exactly the point the photographer was trying to make, but copper is a gorgeous metal, whether pristine or corroded.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:36:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tellurian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2209109</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is likely not exactly the point the photographer was trying to make&lt;/i&gt;
Hey! David. How&apos;s it going. Want to catch up and discuss?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:24:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tellurian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2209161</link>	
		<description>Q: What exactly, was the point you were trying to make?
A: Copper is gorgeous.
Q: How does this relate/combine with the tortured souls that lived in this place?
A: I make nice pictures.
Q: Have you anything more to add?
A: Well actually, now that you mention it, &lt;b&gt;I have a book&lt;/b&gt; with haunting images that depict strangely beautiful copper canisters, each containing the cremated remains of individual patients from an Oregon psychiatric hospital who were unclaimed by their families upon their deaths. The canisters are now blooming with colorful secondary minerals as the copper undergoes physical and chemical transformations. Sublimely beautiful, yet disquieting, the enigmatic photographs are meditations on issues of matter and spirit.
Q: Well, with that out of the way, do you have anything more to add?
A: Most of the photographs on this site are available for purchase, in one or more print sizes, in limited editions. Please contact one of David&apos;s galleries for more information on editions, pricing, and availability. Please enjoy your complimentary Pepsi blue on your way out,</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:54:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2209604</link>	
		<description>Thanks for the post oneirodynia.

Those images are so poignant. Eerie too, disturbing but also beautiful in the way decaying things can be both alluring and a source of contemplation. Those prettily decaying/oxidizing containers of human cremains. I remember seeing these images a while ago and it&apos;s nice to see the link here on the blue.

&quot;The remains were unclaimed by families who had long abandoned their sick relatives, when they were alive and after they were dead.&quot;

Your post prompted me to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/14/national/14remains.html?ex=1268542800&amp;en=16645466f5338a04&amp;ei=5088&amp;partner=rssnyt&quot;&gt;find out a little more&lt;/a&gt; about&lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/9681449@N05/sets/72157604239623822/&quot;&gt; the place&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_State_Hospital&quot;&gt;Oregon State Mental Asylum&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pioneertelephonecoop.com/~mchumor/holyrollers/holyrollers_asylum.html&quot;&gt;the people who were there&lt;/a&gt; and what happened to the place, what may happen to the cremains. 

David Maisel, who took the Library of Dust photographs, also created another group, interior images of the Oregon State Mental Asylum, called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidmaisel.com/works/picture.asp?cat=asy&amp;tl=asylum&quot;&gt;Asylum&lt;/a&gt;, which remind me a bit of the asylum in Girl, Interrupted, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLean_Hospital&quot;&gt;Mclean Hospital&lt;/a&gt;.

Interestingly, it was the site where One Flew Over the Cuckoo&apos;s Nest was filmed. There&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.preservehistoricsalem.com/2007/09/21/8/&quot;&gt;an article/interview with Jack Nicholson, talking about the time he spent there filming with a few stills of the interior taken at that time&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:13:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UbuRoivas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2209609</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Craig Williams, a curator at the New York State Museum, drove four hours to visit Willard Psychiatric Center in the spring of 1995. The complex, located 65 miles southwest of Syracuse, was about to shut down after more than 100 years ... a staffer suggested he check out the attic of an abandoned building, and that&apos;s when he found 400 suitcases covered by decades of dust and pigeon droppings&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

Previously, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/30990/What-they-left-behind&quot;&gt;once &lt;/a&gt;&amp;amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/59645/The-Lives-They-Left-Behind-Suitcases-from-a-State-Hospital-Attic&quot;&gt;again&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:20:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2209633</link>	
		<description>Whoa Ubu, that first link to What they Left Behind is amazing reading. Thanks for the rich addition to this thread.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:01:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: oneirodynia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2209665</link>	
		<description>Thanks for the links, nickyskye. I particularly liked the Jack Nicholson article.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pulitzer.org/archives/6994&quot;&gt;All the Lonely People&lt;/a&gt; is a Pulitzer prize-winning article from The Oregonian about the asylum and the copper canisters. It&apos;s the first of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pulitzer.org/works/2006,Editorial+Writing&quot;&gt;this series&lt;/a&gt; about mental health care in Oregon.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:49:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UbuRoivas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2209677</link>	
		<description>only trying to keep up with the google-fu. and standing on the shoulders of giants.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:02:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>UbuRoivas</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/73845/Library-of-Dust#2219851</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/library-of-dust.html&quot;&gt;More at BLDGBLOG.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:58:59 -0800</pubDate>
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