Comments on: Hatecrimes

Hatecrimes

punkbitch — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:03:54 -0800

In Utah, mob mentality rules. A gay man either kidnapped his next-door-neighbors' two children, or he took them in because they couldn't sleep during an all night party at their own house -- depending upon who you ask. The children were gone from their own home for only ten minutes. What is certain is that a retaliatory mob broke into drag queen David Bell's house and brutally attacked him and his lover. But no charges will be filed against the mob.

A little-reported fact was that a nephew of the family witnessed the crying children knock on Bell's door in apparent search for their parents.

By: punkbitch

punkbitch — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:20:46 -0800

what a convoluted post. could've been cleaner. also, should that read "he and his lover"? i think i'm losing my mind...

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:23:51 -0800

'should that read "he and his lover'" No. They brutally attacked him. They brutally attacked his lover. They brutally attacked him and his lover.

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:24:00 -0800

From the links you posted, it seems very unlikely that this was a kidnapping. But even if it were, the mob didn't really have any evidence of it. And even if they did, going over en masse to break into the house of your neighbor and beat them until the walls are splashed with blood has got to still be a crime, doesn't it? Or were lynch mobs legalized recently and I'm not aware of it?

By: allen.spaulding

allen.spaulding — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:24:55 -0800

That is some godawful reporting by the Salt Lake Tribune and it's almost as though they want him lynched. Significant facts, such as the victim's sexuality and the location of the children are presented as ambiguous or purely sympathetic to the attackers. Whether or not the children were located in the bedroom certainly seems important to the commentators, but instead of discussing the issue, Alberty lets the attackers tell the story. Twice they mention the bedroom, with no dissent. But the victim, well, some say he's gay. Erin Alberty should be ashamed of herself as a writer and as a person. If the Trib had any sense of journalistic integrity (ha) this person would not be working for them.

By: boo_radley

boo_radley — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:25:18 -0800

An appaling story. "him and his lover" is correct.

By: aubilenon

aubilenon — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:28:17 -0800

Insufficient evidence? Don't they all admit to beating him severely?

By: Big_B

Big_B — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:28:48 -0800

I think they said he tripped and fell.

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:29:24 -0800

Even if they didn't, what do they think? They attacked themselves with a television set?

By: cortex

cortex — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:31:19 -0800

God, how deeply, deeply fucked. Insufficient evidence? Don't they all admit to beating him severely? I'm boggled too. Is there some sort of crime-of-passion thing getting in the way of a felony charge here, or is this just sheer unmitigated bullshit?

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:33:08 -0800

I'm not surprised they haven't charged anyone. My guess is they figure there's little likelihood of a conviction, so the DA doesn't want to waste her time trying a losing case.

By: fixedgear

fixedgear — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:34:00 -0800

The comments on the SLWeekly article...wow.

By: notsnot

notsnot — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:35:52 -0800

So the kids were *locked* in the house while the adults partied until dawn?

By: punkbitch

punkbitch — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:36:18 -0800

allen.spalding, i totally agree. the slweekly article is far, far better...

By: Stunt

Stunt — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:39:02 -0800

Yeah, other than the general extreme outrage that I'm sure others will continue to mirror, this just reinforces something I've noticed for awhile: I don't think anything I've ever read has made me want to move to Utah.

By: wendell

wendell — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:45:39 -0800

Hey, they were totally justified. Those preverts could've raped the boys and then cloned their dogs.

By: The Light Fantastic

The Light Fantastic — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:50:05 -0800

Did you just post this to depress me? Mission accomplished.

By: gurple

gurple — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:10:57 -0800

Wait a minute. The Weekly article states that "Prosecutors are reviewing possible assault charges against at least two people." I don't see anything in the Trib article to contradict that. So although no one's been charged yet, maybe these people will be brought to justice.

By: Avenger50

Avenger50 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:16:04 -0800

In Utah, mob mentality rules. I've lived there, and it doesn't. Don't lamely editorialize your FPPs.

By: quin

quin — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:16:22 -0800

They tried to cut off his toe with a sheet of broken glass? This is a pretty clear example of why mob mentality is never a good thing; someone was in his house, assaulting him, and thought that the most demonstrable form that Justice could take, would be to remove a part of his foot. Mobs are kind of terrifying, and the DA shouldn't have given them a pass.

By: mudpuppie

mudpuppie — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:23:07 -0800

The two-year-old girl's mother, Lulu Latu, addressed the court asking the judge to not allow Bell to be released. "I cry every time I think about what he's done," Latu said of Bell. "We have had to relocate our family because the children no longer feel safe in the home." Which couldn't have anything to do with the fact that they now know that their family is a group of vicious, violent thugs....

By: Bookhouse

Bookhouse — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:59:10 -0800

No. They brutally attacked him. They brutally attacked his lover. They brutally attacked him and his lover. Grammar can be fun!

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:16:30 -0800

So although no one's been charged yet, maybe these people will be brought to justice. Tried by a jury of their Utah peers? In front of a judge elected in Utah? And the accused not wearing him Mormon underwear?

By: GreyFoxVT

GreyFoxVT — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:27:11 -0800

"High on Jesus or hooked on dope"

By: sotonohito

sotonohito — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:30:30 -0800

Utah, a preview of the coming American theocracy!

By: DecemberBoy

DecemberBoy — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:48:45 -0800

The Magic Underwear State/religion has a bit of a history of mob violence and vigilantism.

By: mecran01

mecran01 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:05:21 -0800

Dogpile on Utah! Wheeeee! I'm pretty sure that every act of violence in the state can be traced back to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Gang violence? Mountain Meadows. Drunken rednecks? Mountain meadows. Have we established that the perpetrators were avenging Mormon angels yet, or is mere residence in the state proof that Brigham Young's ghost told them to cleanse their neighborhood?

By: Mick

Mick — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:05:23 -0800

I just canceled my ski trip to Utah

By: fixedgear

fixedgear — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:21:19 -0800

I thought the perps were Tongan Crips?

By: nola

nola — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:55:47 -0800

Yeah not cool blaming all of Utah for this. And what a fucked up story. So you throw an all night party your kids leave the house cause they're sick of your drunk ass and when you find them you beat up the neighbor, real classy.

By: nola

nola — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:58:43 -0800

And seriously looking through this thread, peopel if your not from the state in question do everyone a favor and leave the tar and feathers at home. Talk about mob mentality.

By: dirtynumbangelboy

dirtynumbangelboy — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:01:04 -0800

forgive me Metafilter: Talk about mob mentality

By: doift

doift — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:08:26 -0800

Much of what is said about Utah is misinformed and overgeneralized, but it is true that one thing the state does not have is a good news outlet. It sounds like this is all still in progress, and it seems likely that there are enough people who care about seeing justice served that we probably don't need to throw up our hands and give up on the case (or the whole state, for that matter) just yet.

By: electrasteph

electrasteph — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:45:01 -0800

and it seems likely that there are enough people who care about seeing justice served that we probably don't need to throw up our hands and give up on the case (or the whole state, for that matter) just yet. Yeeeeeeeah. After 20 years living in a red state.... call me when justice is served. I'll just be over here behind locked doors, turning off the lights and ignoring calls for help from the neighbors, lest I get the crap kicked out of me for helping.

By: crazy finger

crazy finger — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:16:17 -0800

This piling on Utah is just as ignorant an attitude as that of any of the beaters in the story. I am a socially active northeast liberal who recently moved up to northern Utah where the mix is 65-35 Mormon to non, and I have never experienced anything other than acceptance and kindness from my neighbors, Mormon or otherwise. I started a small business and am active in a couple local organizations and I've never encountered anything worse than general friendliness here. As for the local "freaks," there are plenty of them here ranging from goths and tattoo-people to gay and lesbian folks and there are even more in Salt Lake City where the Mormon to non-Mormon ratio is 50-50. There are also a lot of ignorant people who could be described as "rednecks," and it sounds like that is what helped create the situation in the above story, but I wouldn't be shocked if something similar happened near Boston and I know for certain it would have happened more easily in Florida (where I last lived). My point: Utah and Mormons have nothing to do with it - this is about Americans.

By: punkbitch

punkbitch — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:51:39 -0800

Hey avenger50, my posting abilities are shot. I merely meant to say that in this particular instance mob mentality rules in Utah, not that at all times it rules. Gurple, the Weekly article is older. The Tribune article, announcing that no one will be charged, is the most up to date info.

By: OrangeDrink

OrangeDrink — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:58:15 -0800

Grew up in South Salt Lake. If you blame geography again, your toe is mine. Seriously though, she just locked her kids up? Utah state law is pretty unforgivable when it comes to child neglect.

By: OrangeDrink

OrangeDrink — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:04:48 -0800

One of the most depressing things to come out of the comments was the strong advice that if kids come to you in the night looking for help that you do not invite them in. You shut the door, leave them there, call the cops and wait the 10 minutes for them to show up. It just seems like everyone's so terrified of misinterpretation that it's better to leave the kids to take care of themselves. Shut your eyes and the door and you'll be fine.

By: dabitch

dabitch — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:30:51 -0800

Yes, that's scary - having a two year old and a four year old crying on your front porch while you call the cops. Poor kids, as if it's not enough to keep waking up to the noise of loud parents partying, they were just looking for a safe spot. Then again, depending on the kids bedtime that might be the hour they get up - I know my daughter does that every Saturday morning that I really need to sleep late...

By: flippant

flippant — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:07:26 -0800

Asshats.

By: straight

straight — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:03:39 -0800

This piling on Utah is just as ignorant an attitude as that of any of the beaters in the story. Yeah. Because making a vague, possibly-bigoted comment on an internet forum board is the moral equivalent of joining a mob in beating someone bloody.