When propaganda fails
August 14, 2008 1:54 PM Subscribe
It's ironic when propaganda fails. "Truth stands the test of time; lies are soon exposed." (Holy Bible)
This post was deleted for the following reason: this is not a good post for metafilter. two fox news youtubs that you still felt the need to lol on top of? You may think this is someplace else. THIS IS METAFILTER. Thank you. -- jessamyn
Mmmm ... I smell Pulitzer!
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 2:03 PM on August 14, 2008
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 2:03 PM on August 14, 2008
When are the Russians gonna get to Atlanta?
posted by C17H19NO3 at 2:06 PM on August 14, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by C17H19NO3 at 2:06 PM on August 14, 2008 [3 favorites]
Isn't it kind of obvious that the Georgians aren't the aggressors when the Russians have actually brought tanks and troops into Georgian land, and not vice versa?
posted by onlyconnect at 2:07 PM on August 14, 2008
posted by onlyconnect at 2:07 PM on August 14, 2008
Can I have less unsubstantiated Bible assertions in my over-editorialised newsfilter next time?
posted by imperium at 2:07 PM on August 14, 2008
posted by imperium at 2:07 PM on August 14, 2008
A Fox newsbot declaims: "The young girl is a hero in San Francisco, and understandably."
Stop that. Stop that right now.
"There are gray areas in war."
Urge to kill .. RISING.
posted by oncogenesis at 2:08 PM on August 14, 2008
Stop that. Stop that right now.
"There are gray areas in war."
Urge to kill .. RISING.
posted by oncogenesis at 2:08 PM on August 14, 2008
Huh?2 (About your term "propaganda," I mean.)
Plus a side order of "Какоева? Her name is Какоева? Ха ха ха!"
posted by eritain at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008
Plus a side order of "Какоева? Her name is Какоева? Ха ха ха!"
posted by eritain at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008
Some people may find referencing the Bible in a post about propaganda, truth, and the "test of time" to be ironic in its own right.
posted by LordSludge at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by LordSludge at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008 [2 favorites]
Just so I understand:
This is a collection of youtube videos taken from FOX News, the first of which shows a FOX anchor cutting off a family (American? Russian? Georgian?) while they're trying to explain that they were bombed by Georgians, not Russians. The second link is to a Fox Reporter running from what he says are disorganized Georgian troops firiing at civilians.
The idea, if I understand correctly, is that these are instances of Fox News trying to spin the conflict so that Russia appears to be the aggressor, but the spin fails and it is made clear that the Georgians are?
I'm trying to make sure I understand this post. I'm not trying to dispute or reinforce its claims.
posted by shmegegge at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
This is a collection of youtube videos taken from FOX News, the first of which shows a FOX anchor cutting off a family (American? Russian? Georgian?) while they're trying to explain that they were bombed by Georgians, not Russians. The second link is to a Fox Reporter running from what he says are disorganized Georgian troops firiing at civilians.
The idea, if I understand correctly, is that these are instances of Fox News trying to spin the conflict so that Russia appears to be the aggressor, but the spin fails and it is made clear that the Georgians are?
I'm trying to make sure I understand this post. I'm not trying to dispute or reinforce its claims.
posted by shmegegge at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
To his credit, Smith returns from the hard break and lets the woman finish.
posted by Crotalus at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by Crotalus at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
Truth stands the test of time; lies are soon exposed
I do not beleive this to be always the case.
posted by Artw at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008
I do not beleive this to be always the case.
posted by Artw at 2:10 PM on August 14, 2008
Georgian Reporter Grazed by Bullet While On the Air, Dons Protective Vest and Keeps Going.
posted by Tim McDonough at 2:12 PM on August 14, 2008
posted by Tim McDonough at 2:12 PM on August 14, 2008
The important thing is, we should jump in with both feet on one side or the other and demonize the other side so the US population feels good about the side we took. Maybe then they'll support sending in troops to die for the cause we dimly apprehend.
posted by Mental Wimp at 2:21 PM on August 14, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by Mental Wimp at 2:21 PM on August 14, 2008 [2 favorites]
What stopped you from explaining the content of these videos in your post? What stopped you from supporting your claim of irony? I'm not asking to be spoon-fed; I'm happy to draw my own conclusions from what you've presented. But the content and presentation only lead me to one specific conclusion: You don't understand the phrase "Best of the Web".
posted by chudmonkey at 2:25 PM on August 14, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by chudmonkey at 2:25 PM on August 14, 2008 [2 favorites]
South Ossetia passed a referendum on independence from Georgia two years ago; plus they have had considerable autonomy. South Ossitians have also been accepting Russian passports. To me, it seems incredibly stupid to leave the small powerless nation where your an independent autonomous province, only to join Russia. wtf? So the Georgians must have really pissed them off.
posted by jeffburdges at 2:25 PM on August 14, 2008
posted by jeffburdges at 2:25 PM on August 14, 2008
"Some people may find referencing the Bible in a post about propaganda, truth, and the 'test of time' to be ironic in its own right."
"I'm an atheist. Deal with it."
posted by shii at 2:27 PM on August 14, 2008
"I'm an atheist. Deal with it."
posted by shii at 2:27 PM on August 14, 2008
Per shmegegge, can you please clarify what propaganda you're talking about here? The only thing failing so far is this post.
posted by GuyZero at 2:28 PM on August 14, 2008
posted by GuyZero at 2:28 PM on August 14, 2008
FYI: Since the Bible is one of the larger single volumes anyone is likely to have around, it's conventional to cite it at a little more granularity than just "It's in the Bible. Somewhere." A fairly standard short citation for this one would read (Prov 12:19 LB), but for a non-scholarly audience you'd probably do better to expand the abbreviations: (Proverbs 12:19 Living Bible).
/documentary derail
Me, I'm citing Baez 1966 myself.
posted by eritain at 2:29 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
/documentary derail
Me, I'm citing Baez 1966 myself.
posted by eritain at 2:29 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
note to the "escapee" girl; when you're hiding in a basement you don't have to see the bombs to know if they're going off or not.
The first video is kinda BotW for FOXNEWS getting propa-punked like that.
posted by yort at 2:32 PM on August 14, 2008
The first video is kinda BotW for FOXNEWS getting propa-punked like that.
posted by yort at 2:32 PM on August 14, 2008
It's like rain on your wedding day.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 2:35 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 2:35 PM on August 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
You know, I really don't have a clue what to think about the situation in South Ossetia. My best understanding is that the Georgians provoked the Russians quite badly but that the Russians are using this as just another reason to flex their old imperialist muscles and that nobody's hands are clean.
What I do know is that it makes me sick to see McCain and other American politicians who supported or support the war in Iraq getting all high and mighty about Russian adventurism. It's the uttermost height of hypocrisy to be all gung-ho for American imperialism in Iraq while condemning Russian imperialism in Georgia when it seems clear that however overkillish Russia's invasion might be, the Georgians certainly provoked Russia while we just decided to go kill a bunch of Iraqis because, well, we could and nobody could stop us.
posted by Justinian at 2:35 PM on August 14, 2008
What I do know is that it makes me sick to see McCain and other American politicians who supported or support the war in Iraq getting all high and mighty about Russian adventurism. It's the uttermost height of hypocrisy to be all gung-ho for American imperialism in Iraq while condemning Russian imperialism in Georgia when it seems clear that however overkillish Russia's invasion might be, the Georgians certainly provoked Russia while we just decided to go kill a bunch of Iraqis because, well, we could and nobody could stop us.
posted by Justinian at 2:35 PM on August 14, 2008
Yeah, I don't really get it either.
I was expecting the second video to tell us that the 12-year old and her aunt were lying liars, and that she wasn't even in Ossetia.
But I appreciate the attempt to frame Fox News as spewing propaganda in a non-election-related manner.
posted by jabberjaw at 2:36 PM on August 14, 2008
I was expecting the second video to tell us that the 12-year old and her aunt were lying liars, and that she wasn't even in Ossetia.
But I appreciate the attempt to frame Fox News as spewing propaganda in a non-election-related manner.
posted by jabberjaw at 2:36 PM on August 14, 2008
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