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	<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:29:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>&quot;You meet a better class of people in pubs&quot;</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Reed&quot;&gt;Oliver&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001657/&quot;&gt;Reed&lt;/a&gt;. Movie star or hellraiser? Actor or alcoholic? But it was probably not as simple as that... 
&lt;em&gt;The Real Oliver Reed&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OcRD6iuaE4&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ynlpI8SSD8&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-FCf6VxkGI&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxvoXJaB99o&quot;&gt;4&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0CfN84mnBE&quot;&gt;5&lt;/a&gt;) (Poss. NSFW Brief nudity) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/334066.stm&quot;&gt;Oliver Reed: The original hellraiser&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bubblegun.com/features/15oliver.html&quot;&gt;15 Things You Genuinely Didn&apos;t Know About Oliver Reed&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boeX9KtSvUA&quot;&gt;The infamous &lt;em&gt;Aspel&lt;/em&gt; appearance &lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZMXIxIQmPw&quot;&gt;, More on that and other chat show appearances&lt;/a&gt;
Oliver Reed - Resurrecting Proximo (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7MfEGntF3Y&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkyx5gqB5UU&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aag7KG9Hctk&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt;)
Uncut interview from 1992 (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qze5aDA02tE&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAlacrwn-BM&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;)
Johnny Carson interview (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpJa9ObcvAA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBrc3ZwdEs&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdpSL-nqBVY&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt;)
At the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwZTaBmHZU&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oliver!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; reunion (Poss. NSFW some swearing)
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw1wM0eN-Hg&quot;&gt;Reed on &lt;em&gt;The Word&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnaMwFA6tSg&quot;&gt;Spitting Image&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
... and finally &lt;a href=&quot;http://vallettasuites.blogspot.com/2007/12/oliver-reed-his-last-pub-in-valletta.html&quot;&gt;the&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/travel/article474195.ece&quot;&gt;last&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1MNnRbhp1s&quot;&gt;pub&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&amp;GRid=5530&quot;&gt; RIP&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:10:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: three blind mice</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230324</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Actor or alcoholic? &lt;/i&gt;

It is a pity that the drinker must continually defend himself against the charges of alcoholism.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:29:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: slimepuppy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230333</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;He was 61 years old and was reported to be heavily intoxicated at the time of his death. Racking up an $866 alcohol bill, Reed had reportedly drunk three bottles of Captain Morgan&apos;s rum, eight bottles of beer and numerous doubles of Famous Grouse whisky. He also beat five much younger Royal Navy sailors at arm wrestling at a bar called &quot;The Pub.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

It&apos;s not tragic to die doing what you love.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:49:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davidmsc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230340</link>	
		<description>He was great as Mike Brady.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:15:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kirkaracha</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230343</link>	
		<description>Very odd &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9aSFkSCyw8&quot;&gt;Oliver Reed interview w Late Night Dave c1987-88&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:20:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230345</link>	
		<description>Ooh, another great Brit documentary. Dang, the Brits are good at documentaries. Just brilliant. Thanks for an excellent post fearfulsymmetry.

Always loved early Oliver Reed&apos;s sultry act, those lazy, alluring, somewhat reptilian eyes and half expected a snake tongue to come out of his mouth with a forked flick. Never great acting really but mesmerizing nonetheless, the classic magnetism and charisma of a first class narcissist. I did like his acting in Gladiator, as Proximo, the slave dealer.

I wonder how his son, Mark, and daughter, Sarah, survived their father&apos;s alcoholism?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:33:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: schwa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230350</link>	
		<description>He was only 61 when he died? I always thought he was a lot older. He didn&apos;t age well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:39:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: netbros</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230362</link>	
		<description>I thoroughly enjoyed him as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0012212/&quot;&gt;Bill Sikes&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;em&gt;Oliver&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alvy Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230363</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;He didn&apos;t age well.&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Ah my boy, someday you&apos;ll realize that living well and aging well are as different as the empty bottle and the full. Now, if you&apos;ll please pass me something to puke in, I would be much obliged.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:09:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jody Tresidder</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230378</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt; Never great acting really but mesmerizing nonetheless...&lt;/em&gt;

That&apos;s it exactly, nickyskye...he was never quite embraced as an astounding (if raddled) talent like Burton, but he was definitely alluring -the &quot;drinking women&apos;s crumpet&quot; and all that....

(This one&apos;s bookmarked for a good wallow later - thanks so much.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:42:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: willmize</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230384</link>	
		<description>I loved, Loved, LOVED him in Hammer&apos;s &quot;Curse of the Werewolf&quot;, and was pleasantly surprised to see him in &quot;Gladiator&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:04:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: miss lynnster</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230385</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpJa9ObcvAA&quot;&gt;Oliver&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBrc3ZwdEs&quot;&gt;Reed on&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdpSL-nqBVY&quot;&gt; Carson.&lt;/a&gt; (The beginning of his feud with Shelley Winters.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:08:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Xurando</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230387</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;It is a pity that the drinker must continually defend himself against the charges of alcoholism.&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, for the life of me, I can&apos;t understand why they got on Reed&apos;s case for his drinking. For instance, on the night he died he only had 12 double rums and a half bottle of whiskey.  Seems like a normal drinker to me.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:14:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Halloween Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230389</link>	
		<description>Oliver Reed as Bill Sikes scared the &lt;em&gt;crap&lt;/em&gt; out of me when I was a kid.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:19:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: three blind mice</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230390</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah, for the life of me, I can&apos;t understand why they got on Reed&apos;s case for his drinking. For instance, on the night he died he only had 12 double rums and a half bottle of whiskey. Seems like a normal drinker to me.&lt;/i&gt;

Any drunk worthy of the name would have finished the bottle of whiskey. A drinker knows when he&apos;s had enough - even if by mortal standards enough is a lot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:27:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tullius</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230467</link>	
		<description>Oliver Reed was the fucking man. I thought that he played a fantastic Athos in the Three Musketeers, and although I wasn&apos;t crazy about Gladiator, his performance was quite good. 

As for the circumstances of his death, could you ask for a better way to go out? 

&lt;small&gt; P.S., Alvy&apos;s quote is awesome &lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:52:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ber</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230496</link>	
		<description>Loved him in Lester&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNdqveLR6RY&quot;&gt;The Three Musketeers&lt;/a&gt;/&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wg5fMz5yEI&quot;&gt;Four Musketeers&lt;/a&gt;.  His Athos carried some real menace and weight.  And one of Athos&apos; best lines is rather telling: You will find, young man, that the future looks rosiest through the bottom of a glass</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:11:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: No Robots</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230538</link>	
		<description>Fans should definitely have a look at &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066993/&quot;&gt;The Devils&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:47:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Turtles all the way down</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230541</link>	
		<description>three blind mice: that is brilliant.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:49:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ambrosia Voyeur</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230552</link>	
		<description>Put me on the list of people scared shitless by Bill Sikes, and seeing The Who&apos;s Tommy later on didn&apos;t help much.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:01:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ambrosia Voyeur</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230593</link>	
		<description>Wow, I like the part where his brother says &quot;Jackie and Oliver were having a, in the end, a very tempestuous, she was having, I mean, I don&apos;t think she&apos;ll mind me saying, a really awful time, because Oliver was... very, very... very abusive.&quot;

Wow, that&apos;s pretty abusive. So, Bill Sikes? So convincing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:35:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: joe defroster</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230619</link>	
		<description>Hah. I had never heard of Reed until I read Will Ferguson&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.willferguson.ca/books/happiness.html&quot;&gt;Happiness&lt;sup&gt;tm&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/a&gt;a couple of months ago. I assumed he was a made-up character. The fact that he was a real dude makes the book even cooler.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:56:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rodgerd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230683</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;A drinker knows when he&apos;s had enough - even if by mortal standards enough is a lot.&lt;/i&gt;

Apparently it&apos;s some time after laying into his wife.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: supercrayon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230786</link>	
		<description>Thirding Reed&apos;s awesomeness as Athos in the Three/Four Musketeers. He pretty much stole the movie from Michael York.

I have this idea that there&apos;s an all-fighting all-drinking actors table in hell. Errol Flynn is there. Russell Crowe will be going there at some point. And Oliver Reed is sitting at the head of the table. I hope I can visit the table some day, even though I&apos;ll probably get my ass kicked.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:05:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Shaft</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230933</link>	
		<description>How Peter O&apos;Toole managed to survive Oliver Reed (and Richard Harris) is a puzzle which still manages to stump our finest minds.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:34:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: duvatney</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2230999</link>	
		<description>I actually remember watching &lt;i&gt;Oliver!&lt;/i&gt; (in eighth grade) and finding Oliver Reed oddly attractive.


...I guess I have nothing to add to that.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:38:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2231018</link>	
		<description>Watched the whole thing. Excellent.

Reed was damn ugly and crazy at the end. Incredible he courted &lt;a href=&quot;http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/75302405.jpg?v=1&amp;c=ViewImages&amp;k=2&amp;d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193550E821156FDE61267AB16C3E969F3C3284831B75F48EF45&quot;&gt;a 16 year old &lt;/a&gt;, Josephine Burge, for 4 years and married her when he was in his 40&apos;s and utterly pickled. Hope she got some therapy.

His son and daughter book look beautiful and astonishingly sane. His son, David, has an amazing face, able to convey so much emotion in such minute muscle movements.

David Hemmings narrated the film. He was also in Gladiator with Reed and died just a year older than Reed was, at 62.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:08:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Long and Troublesome Lameness</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2231041</link>	
		<description>&quot;I like to give my inhibitions a bath now and then.&quot;

-Oliver Reed</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:06:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>A Long and Troublesome Lameness</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lumpenprole</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74379/You-meet-a-better-class-of-people-in-pubs#2231133</link>	
		<description>Devils is a must watch. Crazy bastard.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:04:55 -0800</pubDate>
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