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	<title>Comments on: Swastika Tube</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:26:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Swastika Tube</title>
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		<description>Spiegel TV has tracked down &lt;a href=&quot;http://smashingtelly.com/2008/07/14/television-under-the-swastika/&quot;&gt;rare Nazi TV footage&lt;/a&gt;, complete with everything from bizarre cabaret acts to interviews with people like Albert Speer. &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7801958141724599751&amp;ei=s5m3SL-KOqCCqgPNxpisDA&amp;q=television+nazi&amp;vt=lf&amp;hl=en&quot;&gt;Pop culture&lt;/a&gt; done by Nazis, the banality of showbiz evil. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://robotwisdom2.blogspot.com/search/label/links&quot;&gt;found here&lt;/a&gt;  alternate &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1992130789606468647&amp;ei=s5m3SL-KOqCCqgPNxpisDA&amp;q=television+nazi&amp;hl=en&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:43:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>hortense</dc:creator>		<category>Television</category>		<category>Nazi-era</category>		<category>documentary</category>		<category>video</category>		<category>history</category>
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		<title>By: longsleeves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235684</link>	
		<description>When the voiceover said &quot;Volks TV&quot; I  heard &quot;Fox TV&quot; at first.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:26:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235700</link>	
		<description>Wow, fascinating videos hortense. That guy in your second link, the TV host guy, whoa, he&apos;s an Aryan Snidely Whiplash with a Dudley Do-Right mask on. Such a caricature of Nazi malevolence, I expected him any minute to get hypno eyes with little swastika pinwheels.

And that psycho Bavarian woman in the same vid, between :30 and :46 doing the &quot;Strength through joy&quot; skit, yikes, some demonic sharky thing going down there. Never thought joy could look so much like a nightmare.

The author of that documentary is Michael Kloft. He directed another intriguing documentary, a comparison of the parallel lives of Charlie Chaplin and Adolf Hitler, called &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2587966866787635596&amp;ei=Oqa3SLGeHKfSqAKjjajtDA&amp;q=michael+kloft&amp;vt=lf&amp;hl=en&quot;&gt;The Tramp and the Dictator&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:53:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DecemberBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235701</link>	
		<description>Great link, really fascinating stuff. Fast forward to 21:00 for some extreme creepiness. The last 5-10 minutes or so are also totally bizarre, as it documents the programming made after all televisions in the Reich were installed in military hospitals toward the end of the war to entertain the wounded and crippled. There&apos;s a documentary clip showing single-legged amputees hopping through an obstacle course so they can be rehabilitated enough to rejoin Goebbels&apos; Total War, and a double amputee who pretty clearly wishes he were dead struggling to dance with a woman and talking about how wonderful life is. Totally surreal.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:53:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CCBC</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235705</link>	
		<description>Good link. Maybe you should have mentioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gottlieb_Nipkow&quot;&gt;Paul Nipkow&lt;/a&gt;, the guy the TV facility commemorated.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:00:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DecemberBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235706</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;That guy in your second link, the TV host guy, whoa, he&apos;s an Aryan Snidely Whiplash with a Dudley Do-Right mask on.&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, that&apos;s the extreme creepiness I mentioned, I hadn&apos;t watched the second video. The terrifyingly smarmy Aryan talking about &quot;a different beat&quot; and alluding to concentration camps. He&apos;s at about 1:00 into the shorter YouTube video if you don&apos;t want to watch the whole documentary, although you should if you&apos;ve got an hour to spare. You don&apos;t want to miss out on such thrilling programs as &quot;The Joy Of Home Gardening&quot; and Nazi cooking shows showing the Frauleins how to feed a hungry master race.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:01:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235715</link>	
		<description>This is fascinating. Great post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:19:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A189Nut</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235719</link>	
		<description>Sounds like it is narrated by the wonderful Paul Vaughn too</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:30:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UbuRoivas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235720</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m hereby copyrighting &quot;You know who else liked pop culture?&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:32:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chillmost</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235729</link>	
		<description>What? No &lt;a href=&quot;http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_Sport_Clips&quot;&gt;Sexy Sport Clips&lt;/a&gt;?

More entertaining than modern German television.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:08:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blazecock Pileon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235732</link>	
		<description>Fascinating. Cheers.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:28:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Salaryman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235758</link>	
		<description>Amazing, frightening post.  Sometimes it is hard to understand how people could have gotten sucked in to this, because drained of historical context and knowledge of menace a lot of fascist things seem a bit comedic.  All jokes aside though, the sound and vision of evil is razor filled cheese and banality.  I remember reading an article in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/03/balkans.theeditorpressreview&quot;&gt;Observer&lt;/a&gt; about Serbian &apos;Turbo-folk&apos; which was in essence the sound of genocide.  Arkan et al rocked out to this brand of pop while committing unspeakable atrocities. I was curious to hear what it sounded like and hunted some down.  Sure enough, it sounded a lot like Abba - vapid, over processed helium vocals, simple, dancable melodies etc.  Fascist entertainment is more likely to be more like Mamma Mia! than Triumph of the Will.  Bread and circuses etc etc.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:13:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: micayetoca</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235804</link>	
		<description>Following the idea of Pop culture by the Nazis, only with propaganda purposes, here is a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/03/charlie_and_his.html&quot;&gt;Charlie and His Orchestra&lt;/a&gt;, Joseph Goebbels Swing band. Good post, thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:39:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Forktine</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235821</link>	
		<description>That second link was hair-raising. 

But it was also a nice example of how the camps weren&apos;t some deep secret that only a small group of high-ranking people knew about &#8212; they were something that people could joke about &lt;em&gt;on television&lt;/em&gt;.

Salaryman, thanks for the mention of turbo-folk. I&apos;d heard it in movies, but didn&apos;t know it had a name. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo-folk&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; page has a nice overview; there is lots on youtube (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lh-8utuAhI&amp;feature=related&quot;&gt;example&lt;/a&gt;). Right now I have a Ceca song playing in the background that sounds like a cross between a James Bond theme song and Turkish folk music.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:05:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Salaryman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235825</link>	
		<description>Cheers, Forktine! I forgot to mention that the irony of the Turkish inflections given the Ottomanite connections of their victims.  Ceca is one spooky lady...</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:14:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kirkaracha</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235865</link>	
		<description>Mein Kamcorder.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:56:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bonobothegreat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235897</link>	
		<description>This is really a great post...I had no idea the nazis were broadcasting TV.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:27:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Guy_Inamonkeysuit</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235901</link>	
		<description>This is my morning dose of surrealism. I thought I knew a thing or two about Nazi Germany (research for writing projects) but, like bonobothegreat, I didn&apos;t know the bastards were into video. What a great, great post. Thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:31:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2235963</link>	
		<description>Superb post, many thanks for sharing it.
&lt;em&gt;
That second link was hair-raising.&lt;/em&gt;

The second link is just a few snippets from the first, which should be watched in its entirety.  I had no intention of watching a 54-minute documentary, but by the end I wished it were longer.  Mesmerizing stuff.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:07:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Card Cheat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2236397</link>	
		<description>From the &quot;pop culture&quot; link: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Take those so called &apos;foreign-exchange musicians&apos;. We don&apos;t beat about the bush with them, do we? They&apos;re sent to &apos;concert camps&apos; for their further education, where they&apos;re taught to sing for their supper.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Joking about sending people to &apos;concert camps&apos; on TV kind of detracts from the whole &apos;we didn&apos;t know what was going on&apos; defence of the German citizenry.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:04:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: crapmatic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2236538</link>	
		<description>So how long until the full 254 reels are placed online somewhere?  That would give me an excuse to learn German.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:02:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WPW</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2236743</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Joking about sending people to &apos;concert camps&apos; on TV kind of detracts from the whole &apos;we didn&apos;t know what was going on&apos; defence of the German citizenry.&lt;/em&gt;

The opening of Dachau was widely reported in German newspapers.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:02:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DecemberBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2236814</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Joking about sending people to &apos;concert camps&apos; on TV kind of detracts from the whole &apos;we didn&apos;t know what was going on&apos; defence of the German citizenry.&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, their &quot;defense&quot; was not that they didn&apos;t know concentration camps existed, but that they didn&apos;t know that genocide was happening in them. There were in fact no extermination camps in Germany itself, but even the lowest-level average moron must have at least heard rumors. The &quot;lebensraum&quot; emigrants living within smelling distance of death camps in Poland are just full of shit, though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:01:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DecemberBoy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jokeefe</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2237084</link>	
		<description>Fantastic stuff. Truly the best of the web. Thank you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:23:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2237119</link>	
		<description>Wandering around the web just now I came across &lt;a href=&quot;http://hollywoodprop.com/german.htm&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt;, a prop and costume company with Nazi uniforms for sale and it reminded me of the OP.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:12:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stammer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2237154</link>	
		<description>I can&apos;t believe they actually made a program called &quot;Aristocracy of Labor&quot; (3:50). Was it a joke?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:15:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hortense</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2237156</link>	
		<description> maybe that&apos;s where&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=389x1186646&quot;&gt; Arnold&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; got his&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=389x1186646#1187043&quot;&gt; buckle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; nicky.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:15:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nickyskye</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2237874</link>	
		<description>/derail
Honestly hortense, I&apos;m shocked seeing Arnold in that Naziesque skull buckle. yikes. What&lt;em&gt; is&lt;/em&gt; he thinking?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:46:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hortense</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2238020</link>	
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://raumfahrer.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/schwarzenegger/#HITLERSALUTE&quot;&gt;Who knows what&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; he was &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1083/942888040_2137fa1134.jpg&quot;&gt;thinking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; but he has a&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://oakland.8k.com/Images3/AB003007.jpg&quot;&gt; history&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:08:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hortense</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/74478/Swastika-Tube#2276176</link>	
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://filmschatten.blogspot.com/2008/09/berlin-reichshauptstadt-1936.html&quot;&gt;Berlin Reichshauptstadt 1936&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; short color film, excellent soundtrack</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:36:42 -0800</pubDate>
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