It's Not A Lie If I Say So
September 16, 2008 3:08 PM Subscribe
This post was deleted for the following reason: This is not so great. -- cortex
WHEN THEY DID IT TO GORE IT WAS WRONG AND PISSED ME OFF SO NOW LET'S DO IT TO MCCAIN
posted by shakespeherian at 3:11 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by shakespeherian at 3:11 PM on September 16, 2008
Double, if you count the comment I made in the Palin thread hours ago. HA!
posted by GuyZero at 3:12 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by GuyZero at 3:12 PM on September 16, 2008
I'm not clear on why you linked to the Snopes debunking of the idea that Gore claimed to have invented the internet, and then followed it up with links to stories about policians lying. According to Snopes, he did no such thing.
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:16 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:16 PM on September 16, 2008
Sooo... First link goes a Snopes article that says that Gore never said he invented the internet. Second link goes to a story saying that one of McCain's people said he invented the Blackberry-- not McCain. Proof that neither of them lied about either thing.
I know this post is going to get yanked, but this is just fucking stupid. I mean, did you even read your own links?
posted by eyeballkid at 3:16 PM on September 16, 2008
I know this post is going to get yanked, but this is just fucking stupid. I mean, did you even read your own links?
posted by eyeballkid at 3:16 PM on September 16, 2008
Apparently the current strategy of the McCain campaign is for half of them to make outrageous lies and the other half to deny them (while chuckling). It just might work.
posted by wendell at 3:17 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by wendell at 3:17 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
Gore invented the Internet. McCain invented the Blackberry.
So we can thank two presidential hopefuls for our current, unprecedented mobile access to porn?
Fantastic.
posted by quin at 3:18 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
So we can thank two presidential hopefuls for our current, unprecedented mobile access to porn?
Fantastic.
posted by quin at 3:18 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
Is this election over yet? I'm the biggest political junkie there is and I'm sick to death of it.
posted by octothorpe at 3:19 PM on September 16, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by octothorpe at 3:19 PM on September 16, 2008 [2 favorites]
Xuraldo apparently believes in equivalence. You can't quote a lie a Republican makes unless you also quote a lie claiming a Democrat lied.
posted by wendell at 3:19 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by wendell at 3:19 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
This crap pisses me off. Gore never claimed to have "invented the internet" - and even linking to that Snopes debunking page serves, at some level, to perpetuate the myth.
However, Gore did invent the Hitachi Magic Wand Massager.
posted by Auden at 3:23 PM on September 16, 2008 [3 favorites]
However, Gore did invent the Hitachi Magic Wand Massager.
posted by Auden at 3:23 PM on September 16, 2008 [3 favorites]
Silly people, I invented the internet AND the Blackberries (both the phones and the fruit). Wait until you see what I've got planned for next thursday!
posted by blue_beetle at 3:25 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by blue_beetle at 3:25 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
IMHO is a double of the deleted thread about the science questioaire which was a double.
posted by Artw at 3:25 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by Artw at 3:25 PM on September 16, 2008
Hey, wait a minute, am I responsible for what I post on MeFi now?
posted by Xurando at 3:30 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by Xurando at 3:30 PM on September 16, 2008
My grandfather invented gravy. He was also granted ownership of the bottom of the Potomac River by the King of England.
posted by BeerFilter at 3:31 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by BeerFilter at 3:31 PM on September 16, 2008
However, Gore did invent the Hitachi Magic Wand Massager.
And rumor has it that it's an orgasm inciting machine! Hanging chads indeed...
posted by Eekacat at 3:31 PM on September 16, 2008
And rumor has it that it's an orgasm inciting machine! Hanging chads indeed...
posted by Eekacat at 3:31 PM on September 16, 2008
Also, apparently part of the new Republican strategy is to ignore Obama and run against Gore. It just might work.
posted by wendell at 3:33 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by wendell at 3:33 PM on September 16, 2008
Gore never claimed to have "invented the internet"
Sorry to nitpick on what's essentially a true point (he didn't claim he invented it), but I think the more important thing to note is that Gore had credible claim to playing a strong role in the Internet's development. At least according to Cerf and Kahn, who should know.
Declan McCullagh's dissembling took what should have been a major and legitimate feather in his cap and turned it into a running joke, and I don't think it's enough to say "Gore never claimed that," it's better to say "Gore's actual claim was legit."
posted by weston at 3:35 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
Sorry to nitpick on what's essentially a true point (he didn't claim he invented it), but I think the more important thing to note is that Gore had credible claim to playing a strong role in the Internet's development. At least according to Cerf and Kahn, who should know.
Declan McCullagh's dissembling took what should have been a major and legitimate feather in his cap and turned it into a running joke, and I don't think it's enough to say "Gore never claimed that," it's better to say "Gore's actual claim was legit."
posted by weston at 3:35 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
I read the news article and honestly I see how it could be taken out of context but when you look at what they were talking about (legislation related to the regulation of the telecommunication industry) it kind of makes sense. My first impression if I had been there would not have been that he was claiming to have invented the BlackBerry. I dislike McCain as much as the next guy, but this is kind of ridiculous.
That said, whoever comes up with the retorts for the Obama campaign deserves a raise:
“If John McCain hadn’t said that ‘the fundamentals of our economy are strong’ on the day of one of our nation’s worst financial crises, the claim that he invented the BlackBerry would have been the most preposterous thing said all week.”
posted by saraswati at 3:35 PM on September 16, 2008
That said, whoever comes up with the retorts for the Obama campaign deserves a raise:
“If John McCain hadn’t said that ‘the fundamentals of our economy are strong’ on the day of one of our nation’s worst financial crises, the claim that he invented the BlackBerry would have been the most preposterous thing said all week.”
posted by saraswati at 3:35 PM on September 16, 2008
I invented the use of the word "iffy."
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:36 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:36 PM on September 16, 2008
But if you admit that Federal legislation can actually make things that better our lives, aren't you negating the Republican platform of the last 30 years?
posted by wendell at 3:39 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by wendell at 3:39 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
Weeping for my country. Is there room for me in Canuckistan? I don't even need the fucking free health care.
posted by fixedgear at 3:40 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by fixedgear at 3:40 PM on September 16, 2008 [1 favorite]
Yes strangeone, but your 'invention' was to define "iffy" as a synonym for "cromulent".
posted by wendell at 3:41 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by wendell at 3:41 PM on September 16, 2008
I invented fingers.
posted by shakespeherian at 3:43 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by shakespeherian at 3:43 PM on September 16, 2008
I also invented the blink tag. You owe me a royalty, Krrlskid...
posted by wendell at 3:49 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by wendell at 3:49 PM on September 16, 2008
"Levin pointed out that McCain actually voted against the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA ‘93) that “authorized the spectrum auctions that created the competitive wireless market that gave rise to companies like Research in Motion [the creator of Blackberry].”
"And even on the very narrow point at issue, perhaps Holtz-Eakin isn’t aware that McCain was voted against the 1996 Telecommunication Act. I think he was the only Republican to do so. It was some kind of crazy McCain stunt where there was a giant, complicated bill with tons of provisions that was, on the whole, a substantial improvement over the status quo but where the nature of the beast was that everyone had some complaints with the text. So McCain took the opportunity to point out some perceived flaws and cast a cranky “no” vote against a critical piece of bipartisan legislation."
That's what makes it a lie. Unlike Al Gore and the advent of the internet, McCain did not create or even support legislation that made the BlackBerry possible.
posted by iviken at 3:49 PM on September 16, 2008 [2 favorites]
"And even on the very narrow point at issue, perhaps Holtz-Eakin isn’t aware that McCain was voted against the 1996 Telecommunication Act. I think he was the only Republican to do so. It was some kind of crazy McCain stunt where there was a giant, complicated bill with tons of provisions that was, on the whole, a substantial improvement over the status quo but where the nature of the beast was that everyone had some complaints with the text. So McCain took the opportunity to point out some perceived flaws and cast a cranky “no” vote against a critical piece of bipartisan legislation."
That's what makes it a lie. Unlike Al Gore and the advent of the internet, McCain did not create or even support legislation that made the BlackBerry possible.
posted by iviken at 3:49 PM on September 16, 2008 [2 favorites]
This post is bad. People say it is not good.
It is very very bad.
posted by fleetmouse at 3:52 PM on September 16, 2008
It is very very bad.
posted by fleetmouse at 3:52 PM on September 16, 2008
That's what makes it a lie. Unlike Al Gore and the advent of the internet, McCain did not create or even support legislation that made the BlackBerry possible.
Of course, the article linked to about McCain also makes it clear that McCain made no such statement, so it's not a lie either. Some staffer made a stupid remark and McCain disavowed it.
Moving on...
posted by wildcrdj at 3:54 PM on September 16, 2008
Of course, the article linked to about McCain also makes it clear that McCain made no such statement, so it's not a lie either. Some staffer made a stupid remark and McCain disavowed it.
Moving on...
posted by wildcrdj at 3:54 PM on September 16, 2008
Gore invented the Internet. McCain invented the Blackberry.
I'll just assume that Ron Paul will come along and claim to have invented the laptop.
posted by jonmc at 3:54 PM on September 16, 2008
I'll just assume that Ron Paul will come along and claim to have invented the laptop.
posted by jonmc at 3:54 PM on September 16, 2008
If George Washington couldn't lie to his own pa when he cut down the cherry tree, I don't see why these two jokers have to lie about inventing the internet & blackberries.
posted by Challahtronix at 3:56 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by Challahtronix at 3:56 PM on September 16, 2008
It is very very bad.
It's worse than bad. It's fucking stupid. Goddamn.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 3:57 PM on September 16, 2008
It's worse than bad. It's fucking stupid. Goddamn.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 3:57 PM on September 16, 2008
Gore never said it.
Yet another lie that became the "truth" thanks to the conservative bias of the corporate news media.
And people wonder why that twit Sarah Palin is getting such a free ride.
posted by Zambrano at 4:01 PM on September 16, 2008
Yet another lie that became the "truth" thanks to the conservative bias of the corporate news media.
And people wonder why that twit Sarah Palin is getting such a free ride.
posted by Zambrano at 4:01 PM on September 16, 2008
Yeah, people used to accuse me of lying all the time back when I was the King of Spain.
posted by Smedleyman at 4:06 PM on September 16, 2008
posted by Smedleyman at 4:06 PM on September 16, 2008
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