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posted by eyeballkid at 3:50 PM on October 1
It will not be deleted. I bet some sweet homeade moose stew on it you commie bastard.
posted by eyeballkid at 3:51 PM on October 1
Is there a Sarah Palin VP Debate Drinking Game (tm) yet?Drink whenever you remember that there's a decent chance that this woman will become the President of the United States of America.
COURIC: What other Supreme Court decisions [than Roe v. Wade] do you disagree with?Video.
PALIN: Well, let's see. There's --of course --in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings, that's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are--those issues, again, like Roe v Wade where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know--going through the history of America, there would be others but--
COURIC: Can you think of any?
PALIN: Well, I could think of--of any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a Vice President, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.
I sincerely doubt that Gwen Ifill is going to let any shit fly.Let's see what Gwen Ifill lets her get away with.Likely quite a bit, given the raking over the coals that Ifill's gotten in the past couple of days.
At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.
McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.
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Commission members wanted a relaxed format that included time for unpredictable questioning and challenges between the two vice-presidential candidates. On Wednesday, the commission unanimously rejected a proposal sought by advisers to Ms. Palin and Senator John McCain of Arizona, the Republican presidential nominee, to have the moderator ask questions and the candidates answer, with no time for unfettered exchanges. Advisers to Mr. Biden say they were comfortable with either format.
COURIC: I know you're heading to Sedona to work on your debate. What is your coach advising you?
Gov. PALIN: I don't have a debate coach.
COURIC: Well, what are your coaches?
Gov. PALIN: I have quite a few people who are giving us information about the record of Obama and Biden, and at the end of the day, though, it is -- it's so clear, again, what those choices are. Either new ideas, new energy and reform of Washington, DC, or more of the same.
I think she has pretty thoroughly — and probably irretrievably — proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States,” David Frum, a former speechwriter for President Bush who is now a conservative columnist, said in an interview. “If she doesn’t perform well, then people see it.[...]"I knew Dan Quayle, and you, Madame, are no Dan Quayle!"
Mr. Frum noted the difficulty that Dan Quayle, who was elected vice president in 1988, had in recovering from an early set of mistakes that led him to be ridiculed as an intellectual lightweight. “The story of Dan Quayle is he did probably 1,000 smart things as vice president, but his image was locked in and it was very difficult to turn around,” he said. “And Dan Quayle never in his life has performed as badly as Sarah Palin in the last month.”
"I am extremely disappointed with today's decision by the U.S. Supreme Court," Palin said.
She would have to lay down a nuclear debate, replete with pie charts, graphs, and a Wagner soundtrack to convince anybody but those already voting McCain that she's ready for the job.
This election will be decided by women, and the ladies seem to be crushing on Obama.
For more than three years starting in 2005, there has been a reduction in the number of voters who register with the Republican Party and a rise among voters who affiliate with Democrats and, almost as often, with no party at all.
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Among the 26 states with registration data, the percentage of those who have signed on with Democrats has risen in 15 states since 2004, and the percentage for Republicans has risen in six, according to state data. The number of registered Democrats fell in 11 states, compared with 20 states where Republican registration numbers fell.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Palin matches the Democratic vice presidential candidate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., on empathy, one of McCain's clear deficits against Obama, while fewer than half of voters think she understands 'complex issues.'
But it is the experience question that may prove her highest hurdle, particularly when paired with widespread public concern about McCain's age. About half of all voters said they were uncomfortable with the idea of McCain taking office at age 72, and 85 percent of those voters said Palin does not have the requisite experience to be president.
The 60 percent who now see Palin as insufficiently experienced to step into the presidency is steeply higher than in a Post-ABC poll after her nomination early last month. Democrats and Republicans alike are now more apt to doubt her qualifications, but the biggest shift has come among independents.
In early September, independents offered a divided verdict on Palin's experience; now they take the negative view by about 2 to 1. Nearly two-thirds of both independent men and women in the new poll said Palin has insufficient experience to run the White House."
I don't know that refusing to acknowledge Obama means McCain is racist.Yeah. John McCain may very well be racist -- I wouldn't be surprised -- but what he's showing is merely that he's a small, petty, bitter man.
The Palin-Drome: Two candidates enter. Both will emerge victorious, in the eyes of their camps.That's true of more or less every presidential debate ever, specifically including even the McCain-Obama one from last week.
"Katie Couric: Thomas Jefferson wrote about the First Amendment, building a wall of separation between church and state. Why do you think that's so important?Not only does Palin get so twisted up in herself that it's tough to remember what the question was in the first place, but I went hunting for the Jefferson quote she references and couldn't find it. I did dig up this:
Sarah Palin: His intention in expressing that was so that government did not mandate a religion on people. And Thomas Jefferson also said never underestimate the wisdom of the people. And the wisdom of the people, I think in this issue is that people have the right and the ability and the desire to express their own religious views, be it a very personal level, which is why I choose to express my faith, or in a more public forum.
And the wisdom of the people, thankfully, engrained in the foundation of our country, is so extremely important. And Thomas Jefferson wanted to protect that.
'It is not wisdom alone but public confidence in that wisdom which can support an administration.'If this is what Palin was going for, she not only took it out of context, but she wasn't even close.
--Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1824.
"Getting to speak directly to Americans without that filter of mainstream media trying to I think maybe censor some of my comments as we lay out those contrasts between these two different tickets."LOL!
Subject: How long will Sarah tolerate McCain?I can't seem to link to individual posts.
Comment: Following in the footsteps of the other failed Rino leader, McCain could care less about a fair and honest moderator in the Palin/Biden debate. Sarah not being part of a path being broken by family privilege may not appreciate being thrown overboard by another Bush look a like. All she needs to do is look to John Bolton or any other true conservative abandoned by another weak Rino screaming put me in Dad. These new age Rino's have no interest in conservative causes or defending their own, a Democrap named Sandy Berger is all the proof needed here. Ask Scooter Libby or our jailed border agents how well this has gone. Sarah must realize the only reason McCain is even in the race is conservative support of her. The polls show conservative support dropping daily for McCain as he heaps praise on the Liberal Lion and screams for no accountability for Dodd, Schumer, Frank and Raines. Sarah is much smarter than these children and time will tell if she will be another emasculated Cheney sitting in the corner looking at his watch waiting to go home in defeat.
Livermore, California
"The San Francisco Chronicle says tonight's debate is 'must-see TV - even if you loathe politics - for its sheer unpredictability.' Both candidates 'display a marked tendency to set off America's collective gaffe-o-meter,' the Hartford Courant writes, producing a 'ghoulish fascination -- like waiting for a crash at a NASCAR race -- with tonight's debate.' Politico notes that media figures expect it to be a ratings juggernaut, likely overtaking those of the first presidential debate." *
Katie Couric: Thomas Jefferson wrote about the First Amendment, building a wall of separation between church and state. Why do you think that's so important?
Sarah Palin: His intention in expressing that was so that government did not mandate a religion on people. And Thomas Jefferson also said never underestimate the wisdom of the people. And the wisdom of the people, I think in this issue is that people have the right and the ability and the desire to express their own religious views, be it a very personal level, which is why I choose to express my faith, or in a more public forum.
And the wisdom of the people, thankfully, engrained in the foundation of our country, is so extremely important. And Thomas Jefferson wanted to protect that.
The English translation of caption under it says that during interviews, Palin is hesitant, troubled and clumsy but didn’t offer more on where the picture was taken and who was on the right.This would all be so much more fun if only I knew for sure there would be a happy ending.
This just goes to show that In Palin’s case, it’s difficult to separate fact from fiction!
Palin Says She's Eager To Debate Since Media Has Been 'Censoring' Her
McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida.
Listening to surrogates and aides to John McCain on Thursday, one is left with the impression that there is no great need for Gov. Sarah Palin to actually answer questions during tonight's vice presidential debate.
Indeed, the spin coming from McCain surrogates and strategists is that all Palin has to do is pass a sort of artificial personality test, in which she strikes an emotional thread with the average voter -- question, answers, or intellectual capacity be damned.
Such were the talking points mere hours before the debate in St. Louis, which peaked with Sen. Joe Lieberman - a man not unaccustomed to the pressures of such a forum - actually proclaiming that Palin's relative ignorance helped her relate to ‘regular people.’
‘She's not lived in the world of Washington, so she doesn't know every detail of all the questions senators deal with,’ Lieberman told NBC's Andrea Mitchell. ‘But, frankly, that's her strength. I think that's why a lot of regular people out across America think she's going to be their voice.’
Mitchell interjected, ‘Senator, she wants to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. You know, that doesn't mean just being an average mom, it means bringing other skills.’
But Lieberman stayed on the point, stating later, ‘I think tonight is not a kind of final college exam. I think the point is who is she as a person... Whether she can answer every detailed question, I don't think that ultimately matters to the American people so long as they think she passes those other personal thresholds.’”
Sarah Palin plans to go on the attack in tonight’s debate, hitting Joe Biden for what she will call his foreign policy blunders and penchant for adopting liberal positions on taxes and other issues, according to campaign officials involved in prepping her for tonight’s showdown.Biden's got the right idea, and so does the Palin camp. Keep building up those expectations, guys. Next they'll tell us she's been up all night watching Thumbsucker and has a PowerPoint presentation ready.
The Palin camp is projecting surprising self-confidence in the pre-debate hours, despite the vice presidential nominee’s uneven — and, at some points, peculiar — performances in recent television interviews, the officials say. Top advisers to John McCain privately say Palin’s recent CBS interview was a borderline disaster, especially since it played out in several segments over several days. Tonight will be different, they say.
“This is going to finally put her back into a position where we see her like we saw her the first couple weeks,” a McCain official said. “She was herself. She was authentic, and people related to that. ... Tonight, she’ll get into a rhythm. You’re going to see her in a way that you haven’t seen her yet.”
By contrast, Biden plans what an aide calls "a just-the-facts, prosecutorial approach laying out the case against McCain and defending Obama." The aide said Biden will be "keeping the eye on the target, which is McCain."
...public assessments of Sarah Palin's readiness have plummeted, and she may now be a drag on the Republican ticket among key voter groups, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
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Six in 10 voters see her as lacking the experience to be an effective president, and a third are now less likely to vote for McCain because of her.
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In early September, independents offered a divided verdict on Palin's experience; now they take the negative view by about 2 to 1. Nearly two-thirds of both independent men and women in the new poll said Palin has insufficient experience to run the White House.
Well... she probably knows that the NYT is viewed by her fellow crazies as communist propaganda. And maybe WaPo too.I reckon she thought the question was a trap, and hesitated to commit to a certain newspaper.Yeah. You can't say the Washington Post or the New York Times; those are elitist liberal papers. But, geez, what about the Wall Street Journal? Surely that would be a safe answer.
Her fellow bartender, Crystal Porter, chimed in. “I know [Obama's] wife runs a liberalist camp for teenagers, and when he gets elected, he wants to make it mandatory for all teenagers to go there. I also heard as a hobby he makes flags, like home made flags, one for each race. He has one for black people and one for white people and one for Indians.”...somebody having a laugh at the expense of the big-city Eastern reporter who'll believe anything about rural Nevadans, or a serious expression of concern that Obama is a secret vexillographer?
As I headed east on a long stretch of Interstate 80 toward Utah, I kept imaging Mr. Obama, his head bent over a Butterick pattern for race-based flags, sewing in his spare time.
— Road to November: Lamoille, Nev.
Disgusting that they share the position on making marriage unavailable to same-sex couples.This is true of Obama and Biden in terms of the religious sense of marriage. In terms of the civil sense of marriage, they're all for it.
did he say "Bosniac's" ?Yes. I was surprised by that, so I looked it up, and according to both the OED and Merriam-Websters, "Bosniacs" is a synonym for "Bosnians".
So if it’s a pod of whales and a murder of crows, do you call it a team of mavericks?I just looked this up in the OED, too. It turns out that the proper term is actually "a coven of mavericks".
And yeah, the way he executed that momentary choke-up at the end was a performance of Oscar-winning calibre.You're suggesting that he was faking emotion about the death of his wife and baby daughter?
I did find it amusing that Palin co-opted the phrase "Never Again" from the Holocaust and used it in reference to... the credit crisis.Well dontcha know, gee golly, maybe it's just because I'm a Joe Six Pack Hockey Mom Washington Outsider, but whillikers, dontcha know they really are the same thing, because our Jewish brother and sisters, God bless 'em, dontcha know they were right there in the middle of the Holocaust and the credit crisis, dontcha know.
The CBS poll of undecideds had Biden winning the debate 46-21, with 33 percent calling it a tie. But few votes were moved as as result. Among the undecideds, 18 percent committed to Obama, and 10 percent committed to McCain, but 71 percent remained uncommitted.
Biden won the CNN and CBS focus groups. Palin won the Luntz focus group. The candidates tied in the Halperin focus group.
posted by iamkimiam at 3:36 PM on October 1, 2008